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DariusLikewise posted:my favourite is when the conservative party frames CPP and EI as a tax and its just big guberment taking your hard earned money to spend on trudeau's socks most people think cpp is a tax
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# ? Jan 30, 2018 19:53 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 08:15 |
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i wonder how many people think the private insurer, "Canada Protection Plan", is affiliated with the CPP in some way
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# ? Jan 30, 2018 19:59 |
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ocrumsprug posted:If you cannot walk across the street and spend 5 minutes voting I am pretty OK with you not. this is close to treasonous IMHO
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# ? Jan 30, 2018 20:14 |
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infernal machines posted:Nah, got a DWI, gonna take the tractor over this happens so much more than people admit usually it's riding lawnmowers tho
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# ? Jan 30, 2018 20:17 |
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angerbeet posted:this happens so much more than people admit I read that as lawn tractor
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# ? Jan 30, 2018 20:30 |
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Postess with the Mostest posted:I read that as lawn tractor Yeah, it's that. I see that poo poo constantly going up HWY7
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# ? Jan 30, 2018 20:56 |
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One greasy old fella in one of the greasy little prairie towns I spent time in as a kid got DUIed out of his car, so you’d see him driving a scooter all over town until he got DUIed driving on the way to the co-op. I think he even had a sex conviction from back in the 80s.
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# ? Jan 30, 2018 21:06 |
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Stickarts posted:One greasy old fella in one of the greasy little prairie towns I spent time in as a kid got DUIed out of his car, so you’d see him driving a scooter all over town until he got DUIed driving on the way to the co-op. I think he even had a sex conviction from back in the 80s.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 02:34 |
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Reality Loser posted:it wasnt a typo
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 11:37 |
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channels inner-ci: remember when we burned down the white house, vive la canada, #bellletstalk
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 15:39 |
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remember, today, and only today, can you care about Canada's mental illness #BellLetsTalk
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 18:56 |
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Cough http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/bell-media-host-mental-health-1.3950097
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 19:22 |
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don't forget the recent spate of news stories about their literally fraud-based sales tactics siphoning massive monthly fees from people unwittingly signed up for services they never asked for and don't need, and driving members of their workforce into overwhelming depression and shame at what they've done
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 20:33 |
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THC posted:don't forget the recent spate of news stories about their literally fraud-based sales tactics siphoning massive monthly fees from people unwittingly signed up for services they never asked for and don't need, and driving members of their workforce into overwhelming depression and shame at what they've done I thought that was Rogers, or did Bell have a line on that too?
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 20:35 |
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They all do.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 20:37 |
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Slotducks posted:Cough Shameless, but everyone should know by now getting passed 12 months/probationary period is necessary before asking anything of an employer. Any excuse can be used up to that point, and it's super clear Bell doesn't give a poo poo in that story. Offer counseling as a followup to firing over medically mandated time off for anxiety medication? Lol forever.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 20:42 |
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yeah it's very widespread, and not limited to telcos or cablecos a friend of mine worked for Bell in business accounts and in order to meet the ridiculously unattainable sales quotas he and people in his department would sign people up for USB LTE sticks, activate them and just stick them in a drawer. if a customer noticed the extra charges and asked about it (maybe 10% of them would ever notice) they'd call it an error and take it off. when their bosses found out, they just swept it under the rug because otherwise they'd be on the hook for missed sales quotas as well.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 20:42 |
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THC posted:yeah it's very widespread, and not limited to telcos or cablecos
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 20:52 |
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-bc-crude-restrictions-kinder-morgan-pipeline-legal-action-1.4512068 gently caress off alberta
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 22:10 |
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THC posted:yeah it's very widespread, and not limited to telcos or cablecos Your friend is a coward. Companies do this kind of poo poo because their employees care more about the crappy paycheque they get than having ethical standards.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 22:44 |
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Oh, I see, it's the workers' fault that the company rewards unethical practices when it's not ignoring them
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 23:02 |
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maybe im hallucinating, but I distinctly remember there was a case of an unpaid intern at bell keeling over and dying from exhaustion some years ago??? can't find it online tho , so u kno what that means
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 23:32 |
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That wasn't bell, or Canada. You are probably talking about this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...e-to-excel.html
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 23:46 |
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THC posted:Oh, I see, it's the workers' fault that the company rewards unethical practices when it's not ignoring them When the worker is literally stealing from people, they bear some responsibility, yes. Pushing protection plans aggressively is one thing, knowingly adding fake charges to bills is a very different thing. Nothing in your story speaks to the evil company being ok with this behaviour. This is people doing lovely things because apparently nobody had the guts to say anything about it.
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# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:34 |
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It's the army that crafted the homophobic environment, I'm not responsible for harassing that gay kid by yelling slurs at him until he killed himself
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# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:00 |
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flakeloaf posted:It's the army that crafted the homophobic environment, I'm not responsible for harassing that gay kid by yelling slurs at him until he killed himself see also: sexually harassing/assaulting female service members
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# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:02 |
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Jordan7hm posted:When the worker is literally stealing from people, they bear some responsibility, yes. you apparently did not read the recent spate of news stories describing these practices as being both widespread and encouraged by managers and when I say “encouraged” I of course mean “you trick and bully people and foist unasked-for products and services onto customers or you lose your job” Juul-Whip has issued a correction as of 01:19 on Feb 1, 2018 |
# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:16 |
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THC posted:you apparently did not read the recent spate of news stories describing these practices as being both widespread and encouraged by managers Yeah I must have. In your story the bosses clearly didn't tell them to do it, though, because you said they swept it under the rug when they found out. More likely there are bad incentivization structures and a lot of people who look the other way, so employees think it's ok to do poo poo like this, when a couple minutes of thinking about it makes it blatantly clear that it isn't. Again, there is a big difference between aggressive sales tactics and adding lines to bills and just hoping people don't notice. In particular, it's that they added items to the bill which they then didn't give to the customer. At least if the sales guy slips the protection plan on your item you have a protection plan on it. e: You friend sucks, his coworkers suck, and his managers suck for not firing him on the spot with cause. Jordan7hm has issued a correction as of 01:23 on Feb 1, 2018 |
# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:20 |
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well my story happened several years ago, and the point I was rather poorly trying to make is that apparently, these practices have since spread all over the place, rather than being isolated, if the accounts hitting the news are to be believed. former employees describe being coached to literally trick people into buying products they don’t need, only now it’s seniors and ESL people getting signed up for $200 a month premium bundles when all they wanted was a phone or whatever. and if they protest or fail to make the sales, they are disciplined or bullied. sorry my earlier post wasn’t very clear.
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# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:39 |
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bell-whistleblower-reveals-high-pressure-sales-1.4404088quote:A longtime Bell Canada employee describes working in the company's Scarborough, Ont., call centre as "a non-stop nightmare," where she says she is forced to sell customers products they don't need, don't want, and may not understand, to hit sales targets and keep her job. http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/crtc-public-inquiry-telecom-high-pressure-sales-1.4498973 quote:Since Go Public first reported on sales pressures inside Bell Canada, we've heard from more than 200 past and present employees — mostly working for Bell and Rogers Communications — describing intense pressure to mislead, lie and trick consumers in order to hit unrealistic sales targets. So yeah. Let's talk about horrible Canadian telcos' impact on mental health. Juul-Whip has issued a correction as of 01:51 on Feb 1, 2018 |
# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:49 |
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I read those stories, yeah. I still think there's a big difference between hiding charges and aggressive sales targets coupled with upselling, but at the end of the day I don't disagree that the culture is toxic. I think that type of behaviour would hurt the company in the end if not for the fact they basically operate without real competition. I think one issue there is that good salespeople can hit those aggressive targets in a legit manner, but bad salespeople need to do underhanded stuff to make the numbers, and then the company attaches the targets to the good salesperson's performance, who had to start doing underhanded stuff to improve when they arbitrarily increase the targets for the next quarter, vicious cycle etc. Plus, sales is a rough business, and most people aren't good salespeople, especially people who are working in a call center because they couldn't find anything better.
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# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:55 |
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sasktel doesn’t do any of that though??? God Bless Crown Corpse.
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# ? Feb 1, 2018 03:31 |
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Jordan7hm posted:Yeah I must have. In your story the bosses clearly didn't tell them to do it, though, because you said they swept it under the rug when they found out. More likely there are bad incentivization structures and a lot of people who look the other way, so employees think it's ok to do poo poo like this, when a couple minutes of thinking about it makes it blatantly clear that it isn't. your posting sucks, and your brain sucks. management means the people over the salesmans boss
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# ? Feb 1, 2018 05:30 |
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Don't forget to tell the bc government to ditch first past the post. And if you're not from bc, you're stuck with fptp forever. gently caress you Justin.
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# ? Feb 2, 2018 22:58 |
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https://twitter.com/IvisonJ/status/959524189853093888 Gosh he's so sexy
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# ? Feb 3, 2018 02:55 |
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Dave Barrett died today, which is making me feel real depressed Here's a few Dave facts 1) was premier for 3 glorious years 2) yelled “gently caress you. gently caress you, you venomous bitch" at Majorie Nichols, which was well deserved 3) literal socialist, probable communist, original absolute boy
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# ? Feb 3, 2018 03:12 |
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i just felt this needed a home in can-spamChairMaster posted:Every Conservative you refuse to do something about is one that's gonna get some gay teenager thrown out of their home, eventually addicted to drugs, or killed. You become culpable for that when you allow your distaste for any particular tactic to prevent you from stopping these people from doing what they do.
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# ? Feb 3, 2018 05:22 |
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Hell of an argument when ChairMaster is not only clear, but also right.
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# ? Feb 3, 2018 07:57 |
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sounds about right to me
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# ? Feb 3, 2018 08:11 |
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I think it's written that when ChairMaster and PT6A agree and are right, it's a sign of the impending apocalypse. Sorry about that, guys.
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