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kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

slidebite posted:

Phone posting, but these are the timing chains on the vanilla M96. They are in the front. I *think* the only chain in the rear is for the IMS. I’m not sure what’s required for disassembly to get at all of them, but the usual culprits are the ones that flex with the tensioners.



That diagram doesn't necessarily disagree with one chain in the back -- it could just be flattening the depth of the gear on the rear of the camshaft onto the 2D plane.

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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Yeah, you're right. One is in the back... and now that I think about it one of my tensioners was back there.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Here's a data point for auto vs manual:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183018621680

997.1 manual Turbo should go for 60, 65k easily. The auto doesn't break 50.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



Huh, and here I thought that the purists were all about the rev report and feared the third pedal due to potential of abuse.

On the boxster/cayman I saw a few of the auto's listed a few K higher than their equivalent manual versions (for the non S models at least). Probably just a different breed of buyer for the 987's than the 997.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Bajaha posted:

Huh, and here I thought that the purists were all about the rev report and feared the third pedal due to potential of abuse.
They fear abuse but will pay a premium if the precious over rev report is clean.

quote:

On the boxster/cayman I saw a few of the auto's listed a few K higher than their equivalent manual versions (for the non S models at least). Probably just a different breed of buyer for the 987's than the 997.

I think the gap is much closer on the PDK cars, where shifts were better in both practical and bench racing senses.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
Yeah, the PDKs are really good and actually appear to be at least as reliable as the manuals while having less cost of ownership so it's not surprising if they hold even or pull ahead.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Before I commit, any reason not to get Textar brakes? I understand they are the porsche OEM and can get a good deal on all 4 corners pads, rotors, sensors, etc @ $480
Also, Parts dude recommending only to buy 2 sensors. He says you can typically re-use them but good to have 2 just in case, along with a handful of rotor retaining bolts and caliper bolts.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



Yeah I've heard that Textar is OEM so I see no issue in using them. I think that's the brand of pads I got that are sitting waiting to be installed.

The sensors I've heard that as long as the brakes you're removing aren't too worn then the sensor can be transferred over. If I'm understanding correctly the sensors are just a NC contact that gets broken when the pads wear to that point. At which point they need replacement. Sensor look cheap enough but I forgot to order them when I bought my pads so I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope I don't break them on removal.

The new pads have a small hole in the material so without looking too closely into it, it seems that the sensor is just inserted into the pad.

A3th3r
Jul 27, 2013

success is a dream & achievements are the cream

the spyder posted:

I wish I had garage space right now.



That costs slightly less than my e46 bimmer m3 costed when it was purchased from a stealership in St. Paul, MN. That being said, I know I like to talk big about being rich but I cannot afford the motorsports shops repair bills that come with Porsche ownership. I'll stick to my BMW!

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

A3th3r posted:

That costs slightly less than my e46 bimmer m3 costed when it was purchased from a stealership in St. Paul, MN. That being said, I know I like to talk big about being rich but I cannot afford the motorsports shops repair bills that come with Porsche ownership. I'll stick to my BMW!

what are you some kind of loving poor that you're afraid of a two-thousand dollar thermostat replacement in a porsche?

guess you should stick with your working-class bmw and it's six-hundred dollar thermostats then

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
The culmination of my cupholder project:

The ABS plastic is not gonna handle a full fast food Large, but I think half full would be fine. The bottom of the cupholder sits on the console trim, which helps.
I have a print with all the burls and lines sanded down, but I thought those added character, so went with the uncleaned up print.

Used it today to hold my phone for GPS, which held the phone fine, but it wasn't a great position, naturally.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
:swoon:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-porsche-ruf-btr-930/

Some commenter recently called BaT out for offering Porsche's entire catalog, but it's true.

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

kimbo305 posted:

:swoon:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-porsche-ruf-btr-930/

Some commenter recently called BaT out for offering Porsche's entire catalog, but it's true.

Jesus gently caress .... that thing is :stwoon:

Then we have this 'thing'

https://ca.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...sting=183147803

Listed for $32.5, already down from $42.95

Wait only 93k on the clock

Hmm let's check the carfax





I get it, if they find a sucker they just made out like total bandits, probably paid $10k for it at auction if that.

But come on guys, is it really kosher to list a vehicle for around the same value it was listed in a TOTAL LOSS

I emailed them and offered $10k cash just to see what they would say

Blue On Blue fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Feb 1, 2018

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

kimbo305 posted:

:swoon:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-porsche-ruf-btr-930/

Some commenter recently called BaT out for offering Porsche's entire catalog, but it's true.

That's it, that's my win the lottery car.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





kimbo305 posted:

:swoon:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-porsche-ruf-btr-930/

Some commenter recently called BaT out for offering Porsche's entire catalog, but it's true.

That's some strong pornography right there.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

959 is my dream car, but that's not far behind. :swoon:

Blue On Blue posted:

I emailed them and offered $10k cash just to see what they would say
Love to know what they say, especially since your offer is far, far closer to what it's worth than their fairyland dream price.

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

slidebite posted:

959 is my dream car, but that's not far behind. :swoon:

Love to know what they say, especially since your offer is far, far closer to what it's worth than their fairyland dream price.

Well it's been 24 hours and nothing, I imagine the guy reading emails just deleted it after laughing.

I am almost tempted to go there in person with the carfax print out, how could they possibly look a live person in the face and say it's worth that much money with the write-off clear as day

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
I'm asking myself real hard "how bad could the bushings in this kit be?"

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Short-Shifter-fits-Porsche-Cayman-Boxster-S-911-986-996-5-speed-6-GT2-GT3-C2-C4/192435961152

Pelican Parts stocks a $250 kit where maybe the bushing carriers retain the adjustment nuts instead of having them off the end and possibly without a hex hole to adjust?
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/EVOSSKEVB35.htm?pn=EVO-SSKEVB35&SVSVSI=905#tab3

I have to assume it's not any better made, so the next step up is the $300 B&M shifter, where all I'm getting is precision dimensions and quality bushings.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
I have heard not great things about the ebay shifters. I think my C2 has a similar one and it's terrible enough that I ordered a 997 shifter to replace it. I did a bunch of research and the general concensus is that the best 996 shifter is the 997 SSK followed by the standard 997 shifter. The 997 SSKs are really hard to find used and are pretty expensive at ~400 new while the 997 shifters are found under 200 pretty easily for the whole assembly.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
This 997 assembly seems to have the same bushing design as the 996: https://ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Porsche-6-Speed-Shifter-Assembly-997-424-010-00/222824613674

The B&M shifter claims to be the OEM short shift supplier. All the SSK designs look the same, so it's gotta be down to the parts quality if there is a difference.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

kimbo305 posted:

This 997 assembly seems to have the same bushing design as the 996: https://ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Porsche-6-Speed-Shifter-Assembly-997-424-010-00/222824613674

The B&M shifter claims to be the OEM short shift supplier. All the SSK designs look the same, so it's gotta be down to the parts quality if there is a difference.

I think they made the 996 SS but the 997 SS is a different design. I vaguely remember that most of the aftermarket shifters used metal bushings like the GT3 shifters but OEM 996, 997, and 997 SS use various plastics. I thought most of the complaints with the aftermarket kits were that they were too stiff or notchy compared to the OEM variants so that might account for the feel. The TT isn't the stock shifter and it's incredibly smooth but I haven't pried the boot off to see what it is. Maybe I'll check tonight since I have a new 996GT3 knob/boot that's been sitting in a box for a few months. Now my wheel will match the shifter instead of how the PO stuck on a 997 knob that can't be locked down or mate correctly with the boot.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Pelican Parts carries a Porsche SS kit that fits both 996 and 997: https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/00004470026.htm?pn=000-044-700-26-OEM&SVSVSI=4741

That design looks identical to the B&M and the eBay ripoffs. Is there another OEM 997 SS kit?

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
The cheap e-bay type shifters have a tendency to break. I know kartboy has like a whole folder of broken knock-offs of his parts.

I was going to say I could probably get you a b&m for less than that, but nope, would still be like 310-315ish.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Is Agency Power any good? They feel like a higher quality ripoff brand.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
That might be 'OEM' since it's Tequipment and sold by Porsche as a kit but the one's that came on 997s ordered with the SSK is 997 424 983 00

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

kimbo305 posted:

Is Agency Power any good? They feel like a higher quality ripoff brand.

That's the Vivid Racing house brand, gently caress those fuckers.

jamal
Apr 15, 2003

I'll set the building on fire
Yeah, seriously. Not only is it the house brand, they rip off other well designed parts but do it cheaply and change materials.

Funny thing is I know the guy with the machine shop that made a lot of their stuff. He offered me a whole bunch of subaru shifters to re-label if I wanted. I was like, uh, no thanks, because they're a direct copy of kartboy's part but poorly made and with a track record of snapping in half.

DevCore
Jul 16, 2003

Schooled by Satan


Was considering going to check out this '07 Porsche Cayman with 70k miles.

I'm 100% on board with the colors and steering wheel design but it's well within the "get the IMF bearing replaced" range.
The guy at the dealership blew off my concern over email about it though. He said the problem was "nonexistent" in the 2.7L engines, which is...counter to everything I've read/heard.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
You're pretty much ok with that since it's the M97 engine which have a larger IMS bearing and you have to split the crankcase to replace it. They've still failed but they're rare enough that if the M96 wasn't so bad you probably wouldn't ever hear about it. The smaller engines also tended to have less of the other M96/M97 problems like uneven bore wear.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Jymmybob posted:

That might be 'OEM' since it's Tequipment and sold by Porsche as a kit but the one's that came on 997s ordered with the SSK is 997 424 983 00

Ah, ok, PP just has it as a shift lever assembly, hence not showing up in search:
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/99742498300.htm?pn=997-424-983-00-M100
with a wrong last picture to boot.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Used President's day to try to take the mufflers off the 996 for the gundo hack.
Used the stock directions: https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Porsche-996-997-Carrera/46-EXHAUST-Muffler_Replacement/46-EXHAUST-Muffler_Replacement.htm

There's a couple errors omitting blind bolts, but that's just to get the bumper and exhaust shields off. Small bolts and no rust.
Left muffler came out relatively easily -- the muffler bracket bolts had already been inverted so that you could drop the long bolts out the bottom instead of pulling up and hitting the body.

Right muffler's exhaust clamp had much more rust on the bolts, and that's where I got stuck. Tried to split the nuts, but didn't get a clean split, and I don't have decent angles to try every face.


Also tried a saw, but man, even a rusty grade 8.8 is really loving hard. What else should I try? Already soaked the area in Kroil before I started.
I don't have anything in the way of torches, though I'm not sure that'd help if the clamps are still fully tight?

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself





You have room in there to fit a die grinder to cut at the bolt between the clamp? Might be worth a shot if you have that.

Was the nut rounded off? If you can get a socket on it I'd try that and torque the poo poo out of it and try to get it to snap off.

E: another thought. You may not have a torch, but this is part of the exhaust. Drive the car around and get it nice and warm on it's own and then try. :v:

Suburban Dad fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Feb 20, 2018

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Yeah, it had a good cake of rust, and the moment I put torque on it, it rounded. I hammered on the next size down, but that rounded, too.

I ordered an angle grinder and a metal disc. I think there's clearance; just need to be careful.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



I've had success before with those bolt extractor sockets, if you let the kroil soak the area overnight and use one of these you should have success:

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




Bajaha posted:

I've had success before with those bolt extractor sockets, if you let the kroil soak the area overnight and use one of these you should have success:



I've had varying luck with these because there are only a few sizes in sets of them, and none of them ever feel like the right size.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!
Buy an angle grinder and take it to the nuts, you'll have the muffler off in 15 minutes (and an angle grinder, which rules).

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Local hardware store didn't have the $70 DeWalt, but the Black and Decker was on sale for $20, so I'll start with that. The $100 DeWalt looks a little big for the clearance I have. I'm waiting for the ground to dry up a bit before figuring out a decent position.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

Larrymer posted:

I've had varying luck with these because there are only a few sizes in sets of them, and none of them ever feel like the right size.

I can agree with that. I generally hammer them on and make em fit.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




kimbo305 posted:

Local hardware store didn't have the $70 DeWalt, but the Black and Decker was on sale for $20, so I'll start with that. The $100 DeWalt looks a little big for the clearance I have. I'm waiting for the ground to dry up a bit before figuring out a decent position.

If you don't buy the $10 harbor freight one, I don't know what you're thinking. It's decent and just needs a better cutting wheel.

BlackMK4 posted:

I can agree with that. I generally hammer them on and make em fit.

I do the same, it sometimes works.

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BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

Larrymer posted:

If you don't buy the $10 harbor freight one, I don't know what you're thinking.
Link?

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