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because people hate driving but they don't want to take transit because its not in a great state right now and they've been using and have had private transportation marketed to them their entire lives
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But car manufacturers are completely unreliable w/r/t technology in cars, why on earth would anyone trust them?
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Feb 1, 2018 20:16
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i really don't get how some of you are mystified as to why people would want a car to drive for them did your great grandpas stand around wondering why their wives were excited about having a dishwasher and a clotheswasher? did your dads get confused why you'd want to look at something on a computer instead of a book?
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Feb 1, 2018 20:17
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because they've successfully marketed robotic cars as being in the tech company cluster and people tend to be optimistic and mystified by anything that can be placed there or in the classic joke fashion: 1980s: don't ever get in a strangers car! 20XX: meet strangers on the internet and get in their cars!
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Feb 1, 2018 20:19
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you young people just look at your dang phones all day it's rotting your brains!!!!!! *boomerishly watches 16 hours of fox news*
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Feb 1, 2018 20:19
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oh idk maybe because if the dishwasher fails there's a mess on the floor, whereas if the self driving car fails, im dead?
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Feb 1, 2018 20:20
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Also it seems really computationally complex?
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Feb 1, 2018 20:21
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of course it is -- its a problem thats been worked on for a long time that we likely still don't have all the understanding to solve reliably yet, but people like musk have already been leveraging it to sell cars so now everybody has to go along with it or be left out also you have to remember people are idiot suburbanites with what I like to call Disneyland Syndrome: they just kind of assume safety and it doesn't take much to convince them like they'll in simultaneously buy musks "we need autonomous cars because deaths~~~" but go hop in their car and feel completely safe and never want to do anything but drive themselves places
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Feb 1, 2018 20:27
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:you young people just look at your dang phones all day it's rotting your brains!!!!!! *boomerishly browses facebook for 16 hours* also i would pay several american dollars to be able to watch a bunch of self-driving cars go around a special driving course with various degrees of road degradation/road conditions like it was some kind of slow/boring demolition derby
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Feb 1, 2018 20:31
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It doesn't sound like this "Musk" person is being at all responsible in his advocacy of self-driving cars!
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Feb 1, 2018 20:32
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Schadenboner posted:Also it seems really computationally complex? Listen buddy my dishwasher deals with deer running in front of it all the time why is it so hard with cars
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Feb 1, 2018 20:34
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but people hit deer all the time!
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Feb 1, 2018 20:35
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but this car won't! do you get it now?
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Feb 1, 2018 20:36
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Shaman Linavi posted:also i would pay several american dollars to be able to watch a bunch of self-driving cars go around a special driving course with various degrees of road degradation/road conditions like it was some kind of slow/boring demolition derby unfortunately they haven't had one in a few years
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Feb 1, 2018 20:38
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well yeah its hard to do when a chunk of the heavyweight competitors have cashed out
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Feb 1, 2018 20:52
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fish mech is right, internet contrarianism has rotted all your brains. there are a lot of negative points to make about self-driving cars. the technology is not ready yet. the technology is not really even close to being ready. even when it is ready, it might have major restrictions that limit its practical use for a long time. even if the technology was perfect, there are basic problems with individual car ownership that being self-driving doesn't magically solve. resource usage for construction. resource usage during operation. space usage for storage. space usage on the road. traffic. whatever else none of that means that self-driving cars would, like, actually be really bad and nobody would ever want them
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Feb 1, 2018 20:55
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none of those things are problems you see, because I will just be renting a car, hailing it to take me to point a to point b with its automated magic none of this is possible today you see and totally solves everything wrong with private cars
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rjmccall posted:fish mech is right, internet contrarianism has rotted all your brains. there are a lot of negative points to make about self-driving cars. the technology is not ready yet. the technology is not really even close to being ready. even when it is ready, it might have major restrictions that limit its practical use for a long time. even if the technology was perfect, there are basic problems with individual car ownership that being self-driving doesn't magically solve. resource usage for construction. resource usage during operation. space usage for storage. space usage on the road. traffic. whatever else These cars made by the geniuses who put brakes and the stereo on the same network, just because?
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Feb 1, 2018 21:00
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:unfortunately they haven't had one in a few years remember when a noted yoposter used the existence of the grand challenge as evidence that fully autonomous vehicle were commercially viable, two or three years ago? that was pretty great
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Feb 1, 2018 21:01
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Schadenboner posted:These cars made by the geniuses who put brakes and the stereo on the same network, just because? but infotainment needs write access to the canbus!
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rjmccall posted:none of that means that self-driving cars would, like, actually be really bad and nobody would ever want them also we will probably be dead/retired (lol no one is retiring) by the time they're in a state that they're "good". and even then there's still issue with underlying car-transportation but thats a different issue e: dumb typo before being sagebrushed Xaris fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Feb 1, 2018 |
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Feb 1, 2018 21:02
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the part of all of this that I like is that there is indeed an opportunity for vastly increased safety, that we can implement right now, coming out of all of this when you strip away all the marketing fluff like a lot of things that are sold as ~autonomous~ were being sold as safety systems previously or within the same time frame before this whole tend took off -- dynamic cruise control, automated brakes for pedestrians and cars, lane departure prevention and alerts, blind spot monitors even if you are the most attentive driver you only have two eyes and ears as your sensors in an environment that can quickly overload you; augmenting this with a bunch of additional equipment can really help improve situational awareness and lower the cognitive load, helping people be safer drivers
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Feb 1, 2018 21:06
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infernal machines posted:but infotainment needs write access to the canbus! 
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Feb 1, 2018 21:06
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the only person pretending to be mystified by people wanting to own autonomous vehicles is the guy who pretends to be mentally handicapped i'm fairly sure everyone else has managed to grasp the simple premise that while people want them, anyone offering to sell you one is a charlatan, and you're a loving rube if you buy one from them
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Couldn't an uber hold two (or more) passengers for at least some of the trips, reducing the total number of cars? Actually: that could work for any of them, some sort of "car-pool" arrangement?
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Feb 1, 2018 21:08
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Schadenboner posted:Couldn't an uber hold two (or more) passengers for at least some of the trips, reducing the total number of cars? interesting, tell me more
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the uber and autonomous should be combined and there should be twice as many cars because one needs to be a minute away constantly to pick someone up to maintain instant gratification because people would rather sit through 2 hours of car traffic than a 35 minute train ride because they might have to wait 15 minutes at the platform and see people less fortunate than themselves
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Feb 1, 2018 21:09
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lancemantis posted:the part of all of this that I like is that there is indeed an opportunity for vastly increased safety, that we can implement right now, coming out of all of this when you strip away all the marketing fluff you already see this in a lot of marketing, mostly pushing the "you can feel more confident letting your idiot kids drive themselves around" angle
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Feb 1, 2018 21:09
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hullo, i'm wilford brimley
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i think it's also worth noting that people will almost certainly be significantly less tolerant of any crashes involving autonomous vehicles, which would probably still occur even if they magically figure out the tech for it bird poops onto a sensor causing a fatal crash? why couldn't the car's AI know that was bird poop and not an 18-wheeler making a left turn across your lane driver psychology is fascinating and i unsurprisingly never ever hear my friend who works in AV mention it at all
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Feb 1, 2018 21:12
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let’s see how that amazon Whole Foods buyout is going https://twitter.com/nachdermas/status/959144522490970114
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Feb 1, 2018 21:19
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qirex posted:you're not getting it, it's not just an accelerometer, it tracks the position of the employees hand in realtime to "prevent errors in shelving or picking" and I'm sure it certainly won't be used to grind out that last 0.5% of "slack" that the poor people who staff their warehouses currently enjoy marx was right
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*person in grossly paid management position* look they're paid to do work, whats wrong with making sure they are doing what they're paid to? *goes to 2.5 hour lunch*
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we could automate these warehouses and spend tons of money in r&d, manufacturing, deployment etc OR we could put a device on our employees that turns them into robots!
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My Linux Rig posted:we could automate these warehouses and spend tons of money in r&d, manufacturing, deployment etc *glados* now you're thinking with captialism
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Enderzero posted:oh idk maybe because if the dishwasher fails there's a mess on the floor, whereas if the self driving car fails, im dead? sure, nowadays, like 100 years after they were first produced a lot of them originally ran off flammable gases and such and could easily end up exploding while they were functioning. or hell they'd be like a ton of early electrical appliances and routinely start fires that burned down your whole house with you in it because people hadn't figured out insulation yet or would run every appliance in the house through cables going into one or two lightbulb sockets in the whole place. lancemantis posted:because they've successfully marketed robotic cars as being in the tech company cluster and people tend to be optimistic and mystified by anything that can be placed there who's "they"? the car industry that's been saying "oh yeah we'll have it soon" for literally since 1939 if not earlier and who doesn't sell them? or ol musky who sells a tiny amount of fake ones to a small amount of rich people? it's not like the mass market is buying self-driving cars of either the real or fake variety so getting mad at people for going "well if it existed and i could afford it i sure would like one" is absurd.
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Feb 1, 2018 21:32
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watch this video for some cool facts on how easy it was to be killed by everyday household stuff like 100 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7kxUyvkXjw amazing concepts like "hey what if we made a placemat full of live wires to the main electric supply so you could just jam devices like lightbulbs into it? now why are you saying spilling liquids on it might be dangerous"
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Luigi Thirty posted:let’s see how that amazon Whole Foods buyout is going https://twitter.com/AndyKroll/status/959115098697687040
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lancemantis posted:the uber and autonomous should be combined and there should be twice as many cars because one needs to be a minute away constantly to pick someone up to maintain instant gratification
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