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hiveswap was not great imo lots of the writing felt like "remember this thing? joey has this thing!!!"
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AriadneThread posted:that sounds exciting Mostly better. I suffered no actual eye damage but I'm getting help for the anxiety. Still a little light-sensitive though, I do most of my posting on a kindle I turned into a laptop monitor. Makes Homestuck look pretty funky for sure. It's tough to tell what's going on in black and white with no animations.
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kurona_bright posted:You seem to give the guy a lot of grief even though the writing in Hiveswap seemed to turn out pretty well. Did you actually play Hiveswap because the writing in that game was like a very stinky turd.
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Feb 1, 2018 21:48
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Basically all the effort in hiveswap writing went into combinatorial rubbing inventory items on things, which isn't exactly thr highest priority
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Clawtopsy posted:hiveswap was not great imo Something I wanted to mention about that. I feel like when a character had an interest in the comic, they had a reasonable number of things for it. John likes bad movies and ghostbusters, and just has posters for a few well known ones. But with Joey it's like they were attempting to include every single thing from her interest. She has every single eighties toy that you ever heard of and every video game. Again someone might justify it with the plot or something, but I kind of feel like there were too many things included to actually describe the character. Most of the stuff would be what someone from today would have for a completionist nostalgia collection, not what someone in the year would actually have.
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Jake is rich as gently caress in that timeline though so it's not surprising he'd use his massive wealth to form the simulacrum of a parent-child bond with them. Also I liked the writing in Hiveswap. I thought the final conversation between Joey and Xefros was really sweet and enjoyed that cutscene. I am not holding my breath for more Hiveswap but when it comes, I look forward to playing it. That's my cold take.
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Feb 2, 2018 00:32
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Spellman posted:The only difference between a good troll and a bad troll is whether that troll was originally designed and characterized by Hussie, that's it, there's no real point to arguing what makes a good or a bad looking troll, and by any normal person's standards, they're all lame One word for you: Cronus.
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Feb 2, 2018 04:29
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Zemyla posted:One word for you: Cronus. he was intentionally bad
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Feb 2, 2018 04:35
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Neither Feferi, Nepeta, Eridan nor Sollux were exactly a masterclass on nuanced, complex character design.
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I feel like it's OK to have bit characters in order to help flesh out your other better characters. Like the 10 other ancestor kid trolls in order to help flesh out Meenah and whoever that other one was.
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life_source posted:I feel like it's OK to have bit characters in order to help flesh out your other better characters. Meenah ended up sucking and being pointless though.
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Feb 2, 2018 05:20
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Solluckth is my black horse favorite troll and i have no idea why i think its the line "the poo poo i can pull out of my cranial cavity would make your head spin like a dervish in a blender"
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Feb 2, 2018 05:56
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Hey, no judgement here. I have no idea why but Feferi is my current favorite troll.
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Plom Bar posted:Hey, no judgement here. I have no idea why but Feferi is my current favorite troll. Woman of taste. What was her last appearance? As in the ...beta? version? of Feferi, when she spoke to Jade in the dream bubble about how the horrorterrors aren't bad?
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Feb 2, 2018 06:27
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Is it because Feferi is cool and cute and funny and good? Because she is
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Feb 2, 2018 06:28
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Zeruel posted:Woman of taste. She is last seen flying off the pirate ship with Sollux and Nepeta after they and Tavros get sick of Vriska's poo poo. Her last line of dialogue is in the Ministrife, I think.
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My favourite troll is still Tavros and I am 100% sated with his satisfying character arc breakdance sequence so far as final major appearances go.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Meenah ended up sucking and being pointless though.
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i liked how meenah did nothing and died again as opposed to aranea who did something and died again
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realtalk meenah was one of the best parts of act 6 up until the retcon where her fire went out
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the best troll is still Nepeta.
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Dolash posted:My favourite troll is still Tavros and I am 100% sated with his satisfying character arc breakdance sequence so far as final major appearances go. Now that you mention it, I think Tavros was the only one of the original trolls who ended up having some sort of complete character arc. Karkat faded into nothing, Kanaya was just sort of there, Terezi ended the comic feeling depressed and Vriska obsessed, Vriska herself got reset back to zero then got sucked into a blackhole, Nepeta and Equius got turned into sprite abominations, and everyone else just sort of faded into the background. Oh, wait, Aradia went from feeling nothing about everyone dying to being happy about watching everyone die, that's something. I guess Team Charge had the last laugh in the end.
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(Vriska) sort of had a complete ending, as did (Terezi), so we end up in the sticky situation of the versions of the characters we actually knew the longest had some resolution but the story left them behind for new versions that did not, which made the actual ending uncomfortable. And yeah the bit of epilogue there was just deepened that mood, especially for Terezi and John.
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Feb 2, 2018 18:36
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Dolash posted:(Vriska) sort of had a complete ending, as did (Terezi), so we end up in the sticky situation of the versions of the characters we actually knew the longest had some resolution but the story left them behind for new versions that did not, which made the actual ending uncomfortable. And yeah the bit of epilogue there was just deepened that mood, especially for Terezi and John. I guess the original Terezi and Vriska dying and then being spirit bombed into oblivion counts as an arc...albeit one that seems increasingly hosed up the more you think about it (I guess the only real cure for depression and co-depenant relationships is double suicide...?).
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Alpha timeline Vriska got a fate worse than hell for her deterministic decision to try and solo Jack, just what everyone wanted, duh
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brb lighting a votive for the Forgotten Marios
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Vriska and (Vriska) is one case where I think the story ended up where it wanted to be. One got to grow as a person and find some kind of catharsis. One got to accomplish things and be useful to the overall plot. Which one was successful? I dunno what was up with Jade, though.
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Feb 2, 2018 23:03
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Rand Brittain posted:
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Feb 2, 2018 23:05
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Rand Brittain posted:I dunno what was up with Jade, though. He wrote himself into a trap. If she'd been around during the climax, she'd just have blackholed all the villains except the dogs, who can unblackhole themselves.
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He Wrote Himself Into A Trap: The Andrew Hussie Story.
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Clawtopsy posted:realtalk meenah was one of the best parts of act 6 up until the retcon where her fire went out
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Pants Donkey posted:Again, this applies to large swathes of the cast. I'm really, really sorry to have lost GAME OVER Jade, who had some actual character development. Just after the retcon, I thought how passive everybody except Vriska was on the lilypads was a giant blinking light of "Something is not right here". It was downright weird that Rose and Karkat were going "gently caress it, let Vriska drive." Apparently that was Hussie's vision. Bah.
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It was just a really bad move to chuck a solid year or two of story and give us an alternate timeline we had mere bits and pieces of. I get that "what is the real you when many versions exist?" was intended as a theme of the story, but there had to be a better say of handling that then rewriting most of Act 6 in what was basically the climax of the whole thing.
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The problem is that the answer to that question was 'nothing.' Nothing is real or interesting when you start messing around with protagonist identities like that.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm really, really sorry to have lost GAME OVER Jade, who had some actual character development. Just after the retcon, I thought how passive everybody except Vriska was on the lilypads was a giant blinking light of "Something is not right here". It was downright weird that Rose and Karkat were going "gently caress it, let Vriska drive." Apparently that was Hussie's vision. Bah. can you imagine being locked in close quarters with Vriska for three years and not coming out the other side like "yeah just like.... dont argue with her. just nod and smile and let her think shes won."
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i think Dave even says something at one point like "oh this is a Vriska thing, okay tuning out for a while"
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Scarodactyl posted:The problem is that the answer to that question was 'nothing.' Nothing is real or interesting when you start messing around with protagonist identities like that. It's something Hussie seemed aware of himself, but unable to look away from - I remember in specific reference to 4th-wall-breaking self-insert stuff he had some quote about the danger of making people unable to care about what was going on, but he managed to cause that by going the long way around - but none of this analysis is new, it's been chewed to death. I think perhaps what Hussie might have needed was an open-ended project to work on, a story structured in a way that he can keep adding new layers, new characters, new mechanics onto it without worrying about bringing it all back in to a central conclusion. Maybe that means something episodic with short stand-alone chapters, or a deliberately open and meandering saga with no single central arc. It's safe to say after the fact that he seems to get restless working on the same project for too long and basically starts writing new stories within his existing story, even if that busts the structure up and makes finishing it harder. He might need a setup that works with those impulses, not against them.
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iirc vriska even pauses and goes "why isn't condy attacking us? OH WELL" then condy is killed and nothing matters, how did that immortaloty work out for you
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