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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Freaks and Geeks is a better 80s show.

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Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


In case anyone isn't already familiar here, book podcast I Don't Even Own a Television has episodes on both Ready Player One and Armada. I feel like they strike a decent balance of crit versus just plain fun, so they're even on-topic!

Waffles Inc.
Jan 20, 2005

Arcsquad12 posted:

Freaks and Geeks is a better 80s show.

Definitely this. Stranger Things is good, but even still it's a little saccharine in some ways. Freaks and Geeks is one of the better TV shows ever aired, and it absolutely is the 80s distilled in feel and character in a way that Stranger Things isn't (although The Americans is close to)

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Waffles Inc. posted:

Definitely this. Stranger Things is good, but even still it's a little saccharine in some ways. Freaks and Geeks is one of the better TV shows ever aired, and it absolutely is the 80s distilled in feel and character in a way that Stranger Things isn't (although The Americans is close to)

I think it just distills all the hazy, foggy, feverish contours of adolescence that everyone immediately forgets or can’t articulate very well. It looks just like 1980 and gets pretty much every detail of a specific time and place right, but it could probably be set in 1995 and not lose anything that makes people like it.

I don’t think you could say the same about The Americans or Halt and Catch Fire, though they’re also excellent as dramas and not just historical fiction.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Contra’s video on autogynephilia was great, although I got from it an impression of the two genders having specific sexualities in regards to turn-ons from the physical vs emotional. She probably didn’t intend for that; but it was used a basis for disproving the junk science that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe I reading too much into.

FoldableHuman
Mar 26, 2017

folytopo posted:

I am curious about how chicken is more efficient. I have also heard that dairy is really efficient. Is there a source where it lays out your argument?

I've been trying to suss this out for a couple days now, but the best I can come up with is "soy being popular means poorer countries cut down their rainforests to try and grow it", but that's a bit of a bunk accusation because rainforest countries have been cutting rainforests down for decades in order to try and grow whatever they think wealthy countries will buy. First it was corn, then it was beef, now it's soy. The economic pressures leading to rainforest deforestation are so far removed from the specific crops involved that it's disingenuous to connect the two.

Also I can't see how poultry would be more efficient than soy given that we feed poultry corn which is farmed in direct competition with soy.

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

Wheat Loaf posted:

I saw Ready Player One in an airport bookshop today; it had a movie tie-in cover (i.e. photograph of the star) but confusingly, it was in the children's section. Obviously the movie will be a big Spielberg action effects spectacle and kids love that kind of thing, but would anyone who isn't older than 35 or isn't into pop culture nostalgia have any appreciation for loving descriptions of how the hero Kevin Smithed his Bluesmobile with a KITT mainframe until it went faster than a Ghostbusted DeLorean or whatever it is?

I'm sure the kids will love the part when the "hero" takes a week out of the quest to gently caress a lubed up sex doll-- hosing her down in between, of course.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

lornekates posted:

I'm sure the kids will love the part when the "hero" takes a week out of the quest to gently caress a lubed up sex doll-- hosing her down in between, of course.

:stare:

I'm not sure if this is an exaggeration or if it actually is in it.

dbzfandiego
Sep 17, 2011
It is along with a whole bit on masturbation, its...something.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
Apparently the author goes into loving detail about all the attachments and orifices sex dolls can have
And also how great scientists like Einstein and the like got where they did thanks to masturbation, placing emphasis on how before discovering radiation, Marie Curie discovered “the little man on the canoe”

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Calaveron posted:

Apparently the author goes into loving detail about all the attachments and orifices sex dolls can have
And also how great scientists like Einstein and the like got where they did thanks to masturbation, placing emphasis on how before discovering radiation, Marie Curie discovered “the little man on the canoe”

Ech, I need a bath just reading that. Too bad I just watched that unlisted Pushing Up Roses video about scary bathrooms, so I'm never showering again. :smithicide:

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Pants Donkey posted:

Contra’s video on autogynephilia was great, although I got from it an impression of the two genders having specific sexualities in regards to turn-ons from the physical vs emotional. She probably didn’t intend for that; but it was used a basis for disproving the junk science that kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe I reading too much into.

From an account of another transperson I've heard (FtM in that case), there is apparently a marked change in attraction style during transition. In his case, he went from an internal reaction of "Oh, I'd love to go talk to that lady!" to one of "pornographic" things.

Granted, that's just two anecdotes and I don't make a habit of asking anyone how their sexual attraction manifests, so it could just not be applicable to the wider community. (Or be the result of different factors entirely from whatever the dominant chemicals are.)

Still, I wouldn't be especially surprised that the gender hormones influence sexuality in different ways, at the very least.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

I saw ricegum in super bowl commercial.
When the fun is my boy Ian gonna be in one of these things.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Puppy Time posted:

From an account of another transperson I've heard (FtM in that case), there is apparently a marked change in attraction style during transition. In his case, he went from an internal reaction of "Oh, I'd love to go talk to that lady!" to one of "pornographic" things.

Granted, that's just two anecdotes and I don't make a habit of asking anyone how their sexual attraction manifests, so it could just not be applicable to the wider community. (Or be the result of different factors entirely from whatever the dominant chemicals are.)

Still, I wouldn't be especially surprised that the gender hormones influence sexuality in different ways, at the very least.

Yeah, people's sexuality flipping because of HRT is not unusual.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Has anyone else seen that Sonic soyboy ad on here?

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

RareAcumen posted:

Has anyone else seen that Sonic soyboy ad on here?

gbs posters started unironically calling each other soy boys a little while back

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

BigRed0427 posted:

Yeah, people's sexuality flipping because of HRT is not unusual.
Only been on it a few months, so we shall see

Pants Donkey fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Feb 5, 2018

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



FoldableHuman posted:

I've been trying to suss this out for a couple days now, but the best I can come up with is "soy being popular means poorer countries cut down their rainforests to try and grow it", but that's a bit of a bunk accusation because rainforest countries have been cutting rainforests down for decades in order to try and grow whatever they think wealthy countries will buy. First it was corn, then it was beef, now it's soy. The economic pressures leading to rainforest deforestation are so far removed from the specific crops involved that it's disingenuous to connect the two.

Also I can't see how poultry would be more efficient than soy given that we feed poultry corn which is farmed in direct competition with soy.
I think from the last time I saw it brought up the problem was how much more land was required to grow the same mass of protein in soy compared to the amount of land required to raise the chickens and the grain needed to feed the chickens, because soy products require a larger amount of land to produce a similar mass of food compared to grains, and chickens themselves take practically no space even when free range. So the fairly small carbon reduction compared to chickens is offset by the increased land usage.

I don't know how well this argument actually holds up to more intense scrutiny, but that was how it was presented to me last time I heard it.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

Calaveron posted:

Apparently the author goes into loving detail about all the attachments and orifices sex dolls can have
And also how great scientists like Einstein and the like got where they did thanks to masturbation, placing emphasis on how before discovering radiation, Marie Curie discovered “the little man on the canoe”

When I got this part in the audiobook it stopped me right in my tracks. That entire chapter was some of the dumbest poo poo put on paper.

Mraagvpeine
Nov 4, 2014

I won this avatar on a technicality this thick.
The more I hear about RPO the less I like. Why is this being made into a film again? Who agreed to this?

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Mraagvpeine posted:

The more I hear about RPO the less I like. Why is this being made into a film again? Who agreed to this?

Look at the reactions to it from the general public. It's all "Oh I saw _____! Gonna see this day one!". Even the most empty reference still gets people excited.


For now...

FreezingInferno
Jul 15, 2010

THERE.
WILL.
BE.
NO.
BATTLE.
HERE!
Maybe whoever's adapting this thing will actually add tension/the illusion of tension to all the Easter egg hunting scenes, rather than the book's resolution to all of them which was "I had to do [80's thing] to win but luckily I'd seen/played [80's thing] 40 dozen times and had it memorized perfectly, and I did [80's thing] 100% flawlessly and won."

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

FreezingInferno posted:

Maybe whoever's adapting this thing will actually add tension/the illusion of tension to all the Easter egg hunting scenes, rather than the book's resolution to all of them which was "I had to do [80's thing] to win but luckily I'd seen/played [80's thing] 40 dozen times and had it memorized perfectly, and I did [80's thing] 100% flawlessly and won."

Steven Spielberg.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Wheat Loaf posted:

Steven Spielberg.

Let's be fair; If anyone can salvage a decent film out of RPO it's the guy who directed most of the stuff it references. And has made good movies out of reputedly-tedious books before.

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp
The main thought I had reading RPO was the same one I had with most VR-centric Sci Fi which was "man, if someone introduced you to Second Life you'd be gone and never log out, huh?"

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

FreezingInferno posted:

Maybe whoever's adapting this thing will actually add tension/the illusion of tension to all the Easter egg hunting scenes, rather than the book's resolution to all of them which was "I had to do [80's thing] to win but luckily I'd seen/played [80's thing] 40 dozen times and had it memorized perfectly, and I did [80's thing] 100% flawlessly and won."

To be fair, it may not be possible to narrate playing an arcade game in a way that’s exciting or interesting. Which you’d think would mean that a writer might rethink building a narrative around such scenes, but

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


business hammocks posted:

To be fair, it may not be possible to narrate playing an arcade game in a way that’s exciting or interesting. Which you’d think would mean that a writer might rethink building a narrative around such scenes, but

I'm sure it could be done, just not by a writer like Ernest Cline in a book like RPO

Trojan Kaiju
Feb 13, 2012


business hammocks posted:

To be fair, it may not be possible to narrate playing an arcade game in a way that’s exciting or interesting. Which you’d think would mean that a writer might rethink building a narrative around such scenes, but

Excuse me, Spy Kids 3D is a cinematic masterpiece.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Alaois posted:

gbs posters started unironically calling each other soy boys a little while back

When I first got an account here I kinda felt like a dweeb for not really posting in that many subforums but now I just feel kinda old for looking at gbs or YOSPOS and not getting the appeal at all.

Mraagvpeine posted:

The more I hear about RPO the less I like. Why is this being made into a film again? Who agreed to this?

The movie will most likely be bad but let's all take a step back and realize that it's certainly doing much less damage to cinema than Weinstein did to people.
Or in a less gross example, it'll probably be no more damaging to movies long term as Sausage Party and the Emoji movie were.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


the appeal of gbs is that unlike 4chan you have to pay for it.
wait

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Augus posted:

I'm sure it could be done, just not by a writer like Ernest Cline in a book like RPO

It worked in The Last of US' DLC but that was probably because the machine didn't work and also neither of them have any idea what a video game is anyway.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

RareAcumen posted:

Or in a less gross example, it'll probably be no more damaging to movies long term as Sausage Party and the Emoji movie were.

They both came and went. You should have mentioned the FAILING Last Jedi. :v:

lornekates
Oct 3, 2014

Web Developer for phelous.com dot com.

FreezingInferno posted:

Maybe whoever's adapting this thing will actually add tension/the illusion of tension to all the Easter egg hunting scenes, rather than the book's resolution to all of them which was "I had to do [80's thing] to win but luckily I'd seen/played [80's thing] 40 dozen times and had it memorized perfectly, and I did [80's thing] 100% flawlessly and won."

See, it is perfectly possible for someone like Spielberg to make this into a good movie. All he has to do is completely change the plot points, pacing, characterization, tension levels, motivations, and drop 90% of the dumb poo poo cruft filler that makes this a reprehensible book.

In other words, he has to rewrite the story from the ground up, except make it good.

I think of this as the "50 Shades of Paradox". Start with an extremely lovely, horrible, awful book. Not just badly written, but the plot, characters, themes, everything about it is reprehensible and should be considered harmful. But it finds a large niche audience who latch their identity onto one tiny aspect of the book. You like to diddle to BDSM porn? Great, do that. You get a thrill out of being the hero because you memorized Monty Python sketches? Awesome, have your power fantasy. But don't live under and delusion that the book you're basing your likes on is GOOD, or doesn't have AWFUL elements, and that there isn't a FUCKTON of better material out there.

Except the crowd will defend the book to the death-- because any criticism of the book as a whole is perceived as a criticism of the one thing they like, and thus a personal attack on themselves. They will absolutely refuse to acknowledge any problematic elements, or the implications of those elements-- either by claiming "they aren't that bad", or "you're reading too much into this, they don't exist".

So the movie gets announced, and you can say "Fine, when it's all up there on the screen, there will be no doubt about XYZ".

But the filmakers know there is absolutely no way in hell they'll be able to put on screen half the poo poo in the book. Not if they want ANY chance of a mass market blockbuster acceptance (and thus ticket sales) of the movie. Ain't no goddamn way they're going to film a sex scene that starts with the dude lovingly taking out a used tampon..

If they make the movie from the book as-is, they have to acknowledge there are awful, problematic things with the book, and their movie will not be accepted by the mass market. People will come in for "sexy times with light spanking", and instead get to watch someone get verbally berated and physically forced to take birth-control injections. It might satisfy the hardcore core audience, but that isn't where the mass-market sales are coming from. They just want some softcore porn. Thus, the film maker rewrites the script, drops the problematic stuff, paints over some of the other cracks, and presents something resembling the source material. But that act, in itself, proves that the source material was lovely and horrible, because it was unfilmable.

The "50 Shades Paradox" kicks in for the fanbase. If the movie was book-as-is, it would showcase the awfulness of the book that they refuse to acknowledge, and the boxoffice backs that up. The shittiness of the book is proven. BUT if the movie is a sanitized version of the book, it by implication proves the book was lovely because they had to change so much of it, and the boxoffice "success" again proves that this is the only way the book would be successful in the mass market.

No matter HOW the movie turns out, it showcases how poo poo the book was.

Waffles Inc.
Jan 20, 2005

Dunno who listens to This American Life, but half of the newest episode is about Laci Green and it's a pretty bad look for TAL because it's essentially "Laci Green did nothing wrong and why won't SJWs just talk to the alt right people what's wrong with thaaaaaaaat?????"

Pretty huge misstep from one of the biggest podcasts/radio shows

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Waffles Inc. posted:

Dunno who listens to This American Life, but half of the newest episode is about Laci Green and it's a pretty bad look for TAL because it's essentially "Laci Green did nothing wrong and why won't SJWs just talk to the alt right people what's wrong with thaaaaaaaat?????"

Pretty huge misstep from one of the biggest podcasts/radio shows

No surprise, the Koch brothers own NPR

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

lornekates posted:

See, it is perfectly possible for someone like Spielberg to make this into a good movie. All he has to do is completely change the plot points, pacing, characterization, tension levels, motivations, and drop 90% of the dumb poo poo cruft filler that makes this a reprehensible book.

In other words, he has to rewrite the story from the ground up, except make it good.

I think of this as the "50 Shades of Paradox". Start with an extremely lovely, horrible, awful book. Not just badly written, but the plot, characters, themes, everything about it is reprehensible and should be considered harmful. But it finds a large niche audience who latch their identity onto one tiny aspect of the book. You like to diddle to BDSM porn? Great, do that. You get a thrill out of being the hero because you memorized Monty Python sketches? Awesome, have your power fantasy. But don't live under and delusion that the book you're basing your likes on is GOOD, or doesn't have AWFUL elements, and that there isn't a FUCKTON of better material out there.

Except the crowd will defend the book to the death-- because any criticism of the book as a whole is perceived as a criticism of the one thing they like, and thus a personal attack on themselves. They will absolutely refuse to acknowledge any problematic elements, or the implications of those elements-- either by claiming "they aren't that bad", or "you're reading too much into this, they don't exist".

So the movie gets announced, and you can say "Fine, when it's all up there on the screen, there will be no doubt about XYZ".

But the filmakers know there is absolutely no way in hell they'll be able to put on screen half the poo poo in the book. Not if they want ANY chance of a mass market blockbuster acceptance (and thus ticket sales) of the movie. Ain't no goddamn way they're going to film a sex scene that starts with the dude lovingly taking out a used tampon..

If they make the movie from the book as-is, they have to acknowledge there are awful, problematic things with the book, and their movie will not be accepted by the mass market. People will come in for "sexy times with light spanking", and instead get to watch someone get verbally berated and physically forced to take birth-control injections. It might satisfy the hardcore core audience, but that isn't where the mass-market sales are coming from. They just want some softcore porn. Thus, the film maker rewrites the script, drops the problematic stuff, paints over some of the other cracks, and presents something resembling the source material. But that act, in itself, proves that the source material was lovely and horrible, because it was unfilmable.

The "50 Shades Paradox" kicks in for the fanbase. If the movie was book-as-is, it would showcase the awfulness of the book that they refuse to acknowledge, and the boxoffice backs that up. The shittiness of the book is proven. BUT if the movie is a sanitized version of the book, it by implication proves the book was lovely because they had to change so much of it, and the boxoffice "success" again proves that this is the only way the book would be successful in the mass market.

No matter HOW the movie turns out, it showcases how poo poo the book was.

It's times like this that I wish Youtubers spent even a fraction of their time doing deep dive analysis on books that they do movies and video games. I'd love to see a feature-length video entitled "Ready Player One Is Garbage, and Here's Why."

(Yes, I know about Booktube, but that's just casual vlogging as far as I can tell.)

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Waffles Inc. posted:

Dunno who listens to This American Life, but half of the newest episode is about Laci Green and it's a pretty bad look for TAL because it's essentially "Laci Green did nothing wrong and why won't SJWs just talk to the alt right people what's wrong with thaaaaaaaat?????"

Pretty huge misstep from one of the biggest podcasts/radio shows

what did laci green do wrong?

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
Didn't Spielberg say he wasn't gonna include any references to his own work because it'd be too masturbatory?
Also how will the climax with ultraman and gamera and jet jaguar work out with the rights issues
And any of the references that are not intellectual property of Warner Brothers and its affiliates of which there are millions because that's all the book is

Waffles Inc.
Jan 20, 2005

Augus posted:

what did laci green do wrong?

She's in a relationship with an alt-righter and constantly goes on about how a lot of alt-right youtubers aren't bad people

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Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Waffles Inc. posted:

She's in a relationship with an alt-righter and constantly goes on about how a lot of alt-right youtubers aren't bad people

She's also a terf and severe both-sidesist.

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