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I think the problem is people who blindly follow lowest-risk grind guides and "play" Elite for a thousand hours by mission board flipping their way to the big 3 and then complain that the game is too easy.Spatial posted:Mission timers are pointless. Why are they in the game? When I started out I would load up on 7-10 24hr data courier missions the night before so that I would have to hurry to turn everything in during my hour or two of gametime the next night. You are responsible for your own experience.
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I was interdicted during a jump by a thargoid last night, that was pretty scary.
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osirisisdead posted:I think the problem is people who blindly follow lowest-risk grind guides and "play" Elite for a thousand hours by mission board flipping their way to the big 3 and then complain that the game is too easy. The first thing you bring up is entirely unrelated to the mission timers though - that’s through and through a bad design decision. I’m half way in your camp because I think the game has bad balance for progression beyond vulture level, but framing it as “  it’s your fault you aren’t having fun” isn’t what’s right here. To torture an analogy a little bit, Frontier handed us a deflated ball. You turned it into a frisbee and are having fun which is fine except a bunch of people got promised soccer and are kinda frustrated now that they can’t play soccer. That’s not their fault. Not to mention that you having to wait just to make the timers matter is more evidence they’re really dumb mechanically. I’ve done things in game with self-imposed restrictions and I absolutely think that’s almost an inevitability if you want to squeeze more enjoyment out of the game for a long time, but in no way should that excuse Frontier’s design decisions.
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Feb 5, 2018 18:40
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Feb 5, 2018 18:46
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The mission timers used to be randomised, down to some expiring ½ second after you accepted it. That sure was fun and immersive! (and of course the brown sea log riders defended it)
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Feb 5, 2018 18:49
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I think the thing that annoys most people is that there's the core of a great game here. With a few good changes here and there, it could become a great game that everyone could enjoy, not just the few who are willing to make their own fun. However, the devs don't seem to be working towards those changes - they don't seem aware of the problems with the game at all.
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Feb 5, 2018 18:52
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Gort posted:I think the thing that annoys most people is that there's the core of a great game here. With a few good changes here and there, it could become a great game that everyone could enjoy, not just the few who are willing to make their own fun. However, the devs don't seem to be working towards those changes - they don't seem aware of the problems with the game at all. This is really the thing. I swear they’re one, maybe two major patch cycles from really hitting a home run. Instead each time we get more and more disparate, unconnected game systems and just a ton of questionable design decisions (often directly from the Brown Sea Screamers.)
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Everytime they add a cool new feature they tweak some aspect of it to make it poo poo. See CQC, Powerplay, ship and module transfer costs/timers, rover fuel, multicrew, capital ships, combat zones, etc. All of those things sound fun when you hear about the basic premise - and then you learn how the details of the implementation poo poo on that premise. Seriously, CQC would have been amazing if it paid anything like the time invested requires. Imagine if fighting hostile capital ships actually paid well enough to make the time and danger worth it - you'd get pickup groups of winged up players fighting some of the coolest assets in the game. With actual interesting mechanics. Or if multicrew didn't actively hinder every participant.
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Feb 5, 2018 19:19
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Anime Store Adventure posted:The first thing you bring up is entirely unrelated to the mission timers though - that’s through and through a bad design decision. I’m half way in your camp because I think the game has bad balance for progression beyond vulture level, but framing it as “ No. That game state I shared wasn't some contrived scenario that I meticulously planned for premium-tier fun-having. That was the state that a naive player (me) enjoyed during the first few hours of play as a part of a natural newbie progression when I first dove in, August of 2015. That and the fact that all of the "fixes" to these "progression problems" is always "gimme more spacebux so I can sell these accounts faster"
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Feb 5, 2018 19:27
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osirisisdead posted:That and the fact that all of the "fixes" to these "progression problems" is always "gimme more spacebux so I can sell these accounts faster" That has got to be one of the most amazing strawmen I've seen in discussion\games. Sorry, I mean 
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Feb 5, 2018 19:33
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"play" more "games" by logging in and out repeatedly to hit your optimized fakespacebux/hr targets
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Feb 5, 2018 19:37
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Space games
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osirisisdead posted:"play" more "games" by logging in and out repeatedly to hit your optimized fakespacebux/hr targets You do realize that the fact that relogging, stacking missions and other bullshit is required to actually get to the fun parts of the game is the problem right? People aren't stacking missions and relogging because it's fun - they're doing it because that's what lets them get to the fun part, because there's no well designed way to get there without stupid exploits and time wasting. The thing is that everything seems to be designed in a vacuum, taking no other part of the game into account. Ferrying people in bulk is just as dangerous and takes just as long as ferrying goods. But people pay way more. Bulk people carrying pays better than bounty hunting at a RES, yet there's also far less risk. Bounty hunting at a RES pays far more than fighting in a combat zone, but it's also much safer and easier. Ship costs dramatically escalate but payouts don't. Nothing has any balance in relation to anything else. The only objectively good things about ED are their amazing artists, their space nerds that made the galaxy engine and their flight model. And those things are so loving amazing that people put up with the rest of the game for them. DatonKallandor fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 19:45
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I just want to say, I am cool and normal, and that is why I do not post.
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Feb 5, 2018 19:50
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Mike the TV posted:Ok, but you don't need an Anaconda. I sold it because I hated it but I should still be able to buy it without spending a hundred hours in game. Edit: oh great thanks mobile app. There used to be a post here. Anime Store Adventure fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 19:52
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Ok, but you don't need an Anaconda.
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Feb 5, 2018 19:55
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JFC there are missions available on day 1 in the starter system that pay up to and over 3 million credits for a 10 minute planetary scan job.
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Feb 5, 2018 19:57
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There weren’t when I started playing so maybe I’m arguing from a flawed premise. It took me forever to get into an AspE years ago.
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Feb 5, 2018 19:59
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Mike the TV posted:JFC there are missions available on day 1 in the starter system that pay up to and over 3 million credits for a 10 minute planetary scan job. What reputation rank do you need to be? Game loves to drop the good jobs just outside what I’m allowed to do.
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Feb 5, 2018 20:05
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Eldragon posted:What reputation rank do you need to be? Game loves to drop the good jobs just outside what I’m allowed to do. I had restarted, so I know for a fact it was at 0 rep.
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Feb 5, 2018 20:14
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It's my general strategy to hold a cache of a few million exploration data to get quick allyship in any given system.Anime Store Adventure posted:maybe I’m arguing from a flawed premise. Bingo bango. You are missing the forest for the trees. Take a step back and see what the game offers from the naive-newbie-experience, not the grind-guide-newbie-experience. Cyberpunkey Monkey fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 20:15
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osirisisdead posted:Bingo bango. People are missing the forest for the trees. Take a step back and see from the naive newbie experience, not the grind-guide-newbie experience. Except it's the same experience, you just don't get told the most efficient way to grind. You're still either going to do the bounty hunting, the exploration or the trading and none of those experiences change significantly beyond getting a new ship. As a naive player it simply takes longer to change ships.
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Except playing Doom after entering a cheat code IDDQD is the same experience, you just don't take any damage. You're still either going to shoot the demon, pick up the keys, and push buttons and none of those experiences change significantly beyond beating the levels. As a regular player, it simply takes longer to beat the levels.
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osirisisdead posted:It's my general strategy to hold a cache of a few million exploration data to get quick allyship in any given system. I had a lot more detail in the post that I lost but this was not my point. I said that the progression early was fine - my reply was more that when I started, 1mil+ missions were not available for new players. I “grinded” to an AspX and that felt mostly like satisfying progression. It’s after that that it slows down to a punishing crawl and needs to be fixed. Arguably if now players are getting millions from missions out of the gate I think progression at both the low AND high end is bad. But I don’t think we’re going to reach any resolution here since I need to get back to grinding credits to sell Elite Dangerous accounts on a secondary market lol.
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osirisisdead posted:Except playing Doom after entering a cheat code IDDQD is the same experience, you just don't take any damage. You're still either going to shoot the demon, pick up the keys, and push buttons and none of those experiences change significantly beyond beating the levels. As a regular player, it simply takes longer to beat the levels. That's not the same thing and you know it. DOOM/Doom has a tightly designed basic gameplay loop, Elite does not, because 90% of its gameplay is engaging with menus or the Max Speed hotkey (jumping from one star to the next is barely gameplay), and the other is combat that (I at least) got tired of after a few hours of it. I can and still do play Doom today, Elite I don't really expect to play again. Orv fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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osirisisdead posted:Except playing Doom after entering a cheat code IDDQD is the same experience, you just don't take any damage. You're still either going to shoot the demon, pick up the keys, and push buttons and none of those experiences change significantly beyond beating the levels. As a regular player, it simply takes longer to beat the levels. How much are you in for, commando?
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Mike the TV posted:JFC there are missions available on day 1 in the starter system that pay up to and over 3 million credits for a 10 minute planetary scan job. Those missions are doable on day 1. They're not fun at any point in your Elite playtime. Fly to a place, scan it, come home. You barely do anything the game is good at in that play session.
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Gort posted:Those missions are doable on day 1. They're not fun at any point in your Elite playtime. Fly to a place, scan it, come home. You barely do anything the game is good at in that play session. Elite is not fun.  EDIT: I think I'm the only person in the universe who enjoys planetary scan missions. The low-danger ones are therapeutic, and the high-risk ones are pretty fun. 48 Hour Boner fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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ok Don't let the airlock pinch your big ole swinging cock on the way out. 48 Hour Boner posted:Elite is not fun. I love them and also love the high value salvage missions for things like black boxes and rare art. Cyberpunkey Monkey fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 20:45
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I guess I’m also guilty here butpeter gabriel posted:Space games
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Mike the TV posted:JFC there are missions available on day 1 in the starter system that pay up to and over 3 million credits for a 10 minute planetary scan job. Guess I should head to start, that's roughly 2 or 3 times more lucrative than the road to riches honkfest I've been doing if true.
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I like this game about flying in space and doing make believe space things in a believable fashion. I also don't have an Anaconda and I can still have fun. 
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Anime Store Adventure posted:Arguably if now players are getting millions from missions out of the gate I think progression at both the low AND high end is bad. The progression at the start is fine. Some people will play it as a sandbox and dick around in a Sidewinder or an Eagle for a while. IMHO this is the most fun part of the game. Some people will take the opportunities provided and jump to larger ships sooner. By the way, the game gives you 4-5 emails on start that tell you to visit different places, depending on what you want to learn about (Combat, Trade, Exploration, etc) and they will generally have missions based on those criteria only. It's a solid introduction to new players, completely casual and also 100% optional. GruntyThrst posted:Guess I should head to start, that's roughly 2 or 3 times more lucrative than the road to riches honkfest I've been doing if true. It's not guaranteed every time so it's not great as a repeatable action, I only got the super-high paying missions a few times, but they will almost always be over 100k. Gort posted:Those missions are doable on day 1. They're not fun at any point in your Elite playtime. Fly to a place, scan it, come home. You barely do anything the game is good at in that play session. I guess except for the part where you get into the SRV to drive around and sneak into a planetary base. I think that that is a fun part of the game. Mike the TV fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Mike the TV posted:I guess except for the part where you get into the SRV to drive around and sneak into a planetary base. I think that that is a fun part of the game. I agree with you, but don't feed the troll by engaging with his lieposting in good faith. They will believe that they tricked you and will feel good about themselves for it.
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Mike the TV posted:I guess except for the part where you get into the SRV to drive around and sneak into a planetary base.
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I heard that in Beyond: Chapter One they're going to add your current inventory count of space junk when you target a piece of it, is that true? I know they're changing the system so you can hold 100 of each item, but if I have 90 I am probably not going to waste time getting another one, but if I have 0 you better believe I will and the ship's computer should know! Because it is sure not inconvenient at all to look and see Plasma Junkets on your left panel and then say "Ok how many Plasma Junkets do I have?" then go to the right hand panel and go scroll through materials to see if it is you have enough in your inventory already. How many do I need? I am not sure because I can't remember what 100 different materials are used for so I just try to keep "a good amount" of each. Oh I have 9 Plasma Junkets, let's go back to the left panel and see what else this guy dropped. Heater Vanes. Well let's go back to the right panel and look those up. I have 16 but I think I remember those are used for something good? I can't remember and I don't feel like getting out of VR to go open a web browser to look it up, better pick those up. The good ones you want are actually Heater Meters, Heater Vanes have no in-game use. Now do that for 4 different materials that are dropped and oh do it quickly because they might despawn before you can scoop them up.
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as a space garbage person, that's my favorite QoL feature they are adding
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How do I pay off my bounties? The station blows me up before I can get inside.
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Sanzuo posted:How do I pay off my bounties? The station blows me up before I can get inside. If you just gotta get in there, approach at a safe speed, don't request docking until you're pretty close, and go into silent running. Don't get over 30% or so, just keep blowing heat sinks until you land. The option to pay them off will be in the contacts section. You may also be able to just fly to a different system, I think I'm remembering just exiling myself from a system for a week or so before I figured out that you even could ist them off.
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Sanzuo posted:How do I pay off my bounties? The station blows me up before I can get inside. Sneak in or find an anarchy system with an interstellar factors agent or whatever the hell it's called. Outposts I think can also usually be used to pay off a bounty but I don't remember 100%
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