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21 Muns posted:She's playing this male fantasy Lara Croft character - I mean, let's not kid ourselves, she's basically literally playing Lara Croft, and frankly, Angelina Jolie did it more tactfully in loving 2001. It's a character that belongs in a misogynistic '80s flick, and it wasn't right then, either. Also note that the script carefully contorts itself so that she's the only female character in the narrative for the vast majority of the running time. Oh, cool, just like my favorite old Saturday morning cartoons, it's retro! So's blackface, gently caress off. No, she's playing a teen girl in a Lara Croft character's body, which is acknowledged in the plot of the movie as well as it making fun of her outfit. And Jack Black's character is also a teen girl in the concept of the human controlling the video game character.
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21 Muns posted:She's playing this male fantasy Lara Croft character - I mean, let's not kid ourselves, she's basically literally playing Lara Croft, and frankly, Angelina Jolie did it more tactfully in loving 2001. It's a character that belongs in a misogynistic '80s flick, and it wasn't right then, either. Also note that the script carefully contorts itself so that she's the only female character in the narrative for the vast majority of the running time. Oh, cool, just like my favorite old Saturday morning cartoons, it's retro! So's blackface, gently caress off. The Gbs games journalism thread is leaking
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Feb 5, 2018 06:44
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LOL given the Tomb Raider movies were pretty drat silly, albeit probably one of the most games-accurate films ever. She spends her spare time practicing fighting a killbot, and when she gets bored of it she turns it off and has it play her dance mix. All in her British mansion with her own Alfred cleaning up the mess. She's basically gender-swapped Indiana Jones+James Bond with a touch of Batman. The way people talk about it you'd think the original Tomb Raider games were one step shy of pornography, but wasn't it the reboots that got a ton of flak for having really uncomfortably sexualised violence on top of making Lara look way younger?
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Feb 5, 2018 06:50
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Tars Tarkas posted:No, she's playing a teen girl in a Lara Croft character's body, which is acknowledged in the plot of the movie as well as it making fun of her outfit. Wow, when you put it like that, it sounds a lot less gross! quote:And Jack Black's character is also a teen girl in the concept of the human controlling the video game character. I am fully aware of this, but didn't really think "there are no other women onscreen for most of the story except for the one played by Jack Black" really merited posting.
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Feb 5, 2018 06:51
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Inescapable Duck posted:but wasn't it the reboots that got a ton of flak for having really uncomfortably sexualised violence on top of making Lara look way younger? ehhhh, the first reboot game got some flak pre-release because the way they presented it was kinda iffy with one of the devs defending the early-game life kicks the poo poo out of lara stuff in a weird paternalistic 'this will make the player want to protect laura!' kind of way. and honestly some of the controversy also felt like it was influenced by the weird cultural association we've all developed where a young woman making pained moans reads as sexual, even when the situation is her trying to survive on a island after a shipwreck anyway when the game actually came out it turned out to not really be that big a deal in the overall package (...unless you were real bad at really easy qtes, then you'd get some over the top death scenes; kinda unfortunate but easy enough to avoid)
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Feb 5, 2018 06:59
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I mostly recall it from Zero Punctuation, but if anything the older Tomb Raider games apparently seem more iffy in retrospect mostly because Lara is a rich plunderer of archaeological artifacts and regularly kills endangered species, while all the villains tend to have more sympathetic motivations and backstories. While back on Jumanji, the trailer has a joke about how The Rock is so attractive it's literally one of his stated game abilities.
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Feb 5, 2018 07:39
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The Rock is like the NewGame+ Guy since he didn't have any Cons on his CharSheet, right??
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Inescapable Duck posted:I mostly recall it from Zero Punctuation, but if anything the older Tomb Raider games apparently seem more iffy in retrospect mostly because Lara is a rich plunderer of archaeological artifacts and regularly kills endangered species, while all the villains tend to have more sympathetic motivations and backstories. There is one very, very, very easy to trigger rather horrific death QTE in the first reboot game that almost everybody saw, but its not sexual its just deeply uncomfortable, and haunted basically everyone who saw it to the point where its usually what people reference when they refer to that game and its treatment of Lara even though it is, narratively, not actually part of the story and otherwise nearly totally isolated in tone. The second reboot game removed those deaths due to complaints. The original games are way more iffy as a character study; while Lara isn't any traditional negative female trait other than objectified out of story, she comes across as a completely detached butcher of men and wildlife with no interest in anything except the collection of artifacts for her own personal pleasure.
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Feb 5, 2018 07:53
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Inescapable Duck posted:The way people talk about it you'd think the original Tomb Raider games were one step shy of pornography, but wasn't it the reboots that got a ton of flak for having really uncomfortably sexualised violence on top of making Lara look way younger? Mostly think-pieces making a big thing out of one single scene where a guy gets rape-y (the one where Lara kills for the first time) and some death scenes where she gets impaled by wooden stakes ("phallic imagery!"). The games themselves are otherwise really good about it - Lara wears appropriate clothes like thick jackets and full trousers (albeit very form-fitting ones) and it doesn't get too male-gaze-y.
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Feb 5, 2018 07:56
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21 Muns posted:Wow, when you put it like that, it sounds a lot less gross! Are you just really upset about her clothes or what
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Feb 5, 2018 08:05
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the first reboot actually did a pretty alright job of accomplishing its narrative where lara starts off in a terrible situation where the average person should've died at least five times over but just through sheer survival instinct/plot armor she gets to the point where she's this terrifying deadly menace to the generic bad dudes who were trying to hold her and the rest of her crew captive it's very schlock-y and shallow but it worked on me as someone who's usually not into linear cinematic shootman kind of games
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Feb 5, 2018 08:09
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You can tell the think-pieces weren't super thought out because the way more interesting thing about the first reboot story is that revolves around piles of idiot, evil, and/or helpless men* attempting to worship and placate a woman who only needs to exploit other women for her own ends and thus has no actual need for the men at all. *The only competent, non-evil man is immediately crippled then killed within the first few hours of the game Brother Entropy posted:it's very schlock-y and shallow but it worked on me as someone who's usually not into linear cinematic shootman kind of games Its extremely well delivered as far as video game stories go because it is told entirely during game-play with no need for a movie to explain it and each major milestone is appended by the appearance of a new game play mechanic that ties directly to that. Lara in her survivor mode introduces the various movement options to attempt to run for you life, the second transitional state kicks off with the first time you're allowed to use the gun mechanic and kill someone, and the final "Lara as hardened survivor" portion is capped off by getting you final island traversal mechanic which is also a goddamn grenade launcher. Barudak fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 08:10
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so if I murdered tons of dudes way before I got the gun by bodychecking them off ledges does that make me ahead of the curve 
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Feb 5, 2018 08:17
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Decius posted:and some death scenes where she gets impaled by wooden stakes ("phallic imagery!"). the problem was less "phallic imagery!" and more "unexpected completely horrifying gore in what everyone expected to be a kinda fun Indiana Jonesy game!" e: to be less pithy, a lot of the backlash was because Tomb Raider is a series that's never really been known for being overly brutal. the original games were violent, but it was kind of cheesy and goofy violence, not played for straight-up horror; the 2013 game is the first M-rated game in the series, but even with that in mind, I don't think most people who picked it up expected just how visceral and gory it is. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 08:37
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Imagine what the reaction would be if Lara had breast cancer.
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Feb 5, 2018 08:43
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Barudak posted:Its extremely well delivered as far as video game stories go because it is told entirely during game-play with no need for a movie to explain it and each major milestone is appended by the appearance of a new game play mechanic that ties directly to that. Lara in her survivor mode introduces the various movement options to attempt to run for you life, the second transitional state kicks off with the first time you're allowed to use the gun mechanic and kill someone, and the final "Lara as hardened survivor" portion is capped off by getting you final island traversal mechanic which is also a goddamn grenade launcher. yeah that's a good take on it. they sell the early survivor mode stuff well enough that what's ultimately just video game upgrades of better weapons/traversal options feel like they have more narrative weight and show a slow turning of the tide that makes the ramping up of your abilities a lot more intertwined with the plot than say, most metroidvanias
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Feb 5, 2018 08:44
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The MSJ posted:Imagine what the reaction would be if Lara had breast cancer. i'll never stop loving this reference
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Feb 5, 2018 08:45
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The first time you ragdoll limbs akimbo down a ravine of sharp cornices, it's horrific The millionth time it's basically hilarious
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Feb 5, 2018 09:42
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The Cameo posted:I'm never going to get over "Universal goes one year without releasing an incredibly expensive movie, makes more money than they ever had before". 
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Feb 5, 2018 10:02
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The Cameo posted:I'm never going to get over "Universal goes one year without releasing an incredibly expensive movie, makes more money than they ever had before". It was literally a year where mid-budget movies and pick-ups from independent producers proved that they could carry a studio, and carry them incredibly well. They did have a huge movie last year, Fate of the Furious. budget of 250 million. e: not to mention their big movies like Fast & Furious and Jurassic World make massive bank
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Feb 5, 2018 10:49
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Wheat Loaf posted:Could Jumanji 2 make a billion dollars or is that out of reach for them? It's in the top ten highest earners for 2017 now, ahead of Wonder Woman and Thor, which I'm sure nobody was expecting. It has some crazy legs on it so it'll make at least another $50 million domestically which will push it beyond $900 million worldwide, then it'll be up to its foreign box office performances as to whether it'll break a billion. If it doesn't break the billion barrier it'll come pretty darn close anyway. Domestically, it opened in 2nd place behind The Last Jedi but after two weeks it clawed its way up to first place and hung in there for two and a half weeks, got knocked down to 2nd or 3rd place for two weeks and this weekend just gone it muscled its way back into first place again. It just won't quit. Its first few weekends were pretty slow on the domestic front but then it suddenly exploded and its 4th, 5th and 6th weekends were in the top 6 or 7 of all films ever released. To put that into perspective, more people turned out to watch Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle on its 6th weekend than for Star Wars: The Force Awakens or Jurassic World or Marvel's The Avengers on their respective 6th weekends.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It has some crazy legs on it so it'll make at least another $50 million domestically which will push it beyond $900 million worldwide, then it'll be up to its foreign box office performances as to whether it'll break a billion. If it doesn't break the billion barrier it'll come pretty darn close anyway. First thought is Jumanji seems a lot more accessible than all those tentpole franchise movies.
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Feb 5, 2018 12:40
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Based on that JW2 trailer, are they going to go full crazy and actually do some kind of human/dinosaur hybrid, or is it just another genetically modified dinosaur?
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Feb 5, 2018 17:20
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FlamingLiberal posted:Based on that JW2 trailer, are they going to go full crazy and actually do some kind of human/dinosaur hybrid, or is it just another genetically modified dinosaur? Pretty sure it's just another dino but I do appreciate that they're keeping it's exact look under wraps. They did the same thing for Jurassic World and I thought that worked pretty well, the build up made it seem more threatening. It's basically a nod to how the raptors were handled in Jurassic Park.
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Feb 5, 2018 17:24
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I’m hoping they go full crazy. If almost felt like they were going to go the human route with the “classified” element of the Indominus Rex... and then it just turned out to be a raptor gene or whatever. Part of me thinks they just got cold feet since Jurassic World was supposed to be the big return to form, and it was such an out-there concept and would “freak out the squares.” This one has a volcano dinosaur stampede, so I’m thinking they’re going a little more loosely-goosey on the tone, which gives me hope for a goddamn manasaurus.
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Feb 5, 2018 17:27
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WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:The first time you ragdoll limbs akimbo down a ravine of sharp cornices, it's horrific That was a basically what happened when Conan O'Brien played it and kept missing the QTE when she fell into the river and kept getting impaled in the neck on a tree branch.
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Feb 5, 2018 17:30
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WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:The first time you ragdoll limbs akimbo down a ravine of sharp cornices, it's horrific I loved the reboot of TR. I'd played some of the older games but the reboot was one the few I actually played to completion. Yeah some of the deaths were extreme, and even as a horror fan I said "Holy poo poo!" the first time time I got impaled on a tree. Subsequent deaths were more hilarious/frustrating but the writing and gameplay really made that game for me. Rise of the Tomb Raider just wasn't as fun.
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Fart City posted:I’m hoping they go full crazy. If almost felt like they were going to go the human route with the “classified” element of the Indominus Rex... and then it just turned out to be a raptor gene or whatever. Part of me thinks they just got cold feet since Jurassic World was supposed to be the big return to form, and it was such an out-there concept and would “freak out the squares.” There's a formula for these movies and human/dino hybrids just isn't in it. Huge stampede of dinos running from a volcanic eruption fits right in, the failed clones scene from Alien Resurrection does not. Maybe at the most we'll get a subplot where soldiers are using like dino-sourced hormone injections to amp themselves up but that's as far as I'd ever expect them to go. I agree it would be awesome but there's no way they're going that route when the last movie brought in over a billion and they expect this one to do the same.
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Feb 5, 2018 17:33
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joylessdivision posted:I loved the reboot of TR. I'd played some of the older games but the reboot was one the few I actually played to completion. The torture porn elements of TR2013 are heavily weighted toward those first couple hours. After that it lightens up and becomes a much more typical action romp.
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Basebf555 posted:There's a formula for these movies and human/dino hybrids just isn't in it. Huge stampede of dinos running from a volcanic eruption fits right in, the failed clones scene from Alien Resurrection does not. Maybe at the most we'll get a subplot where soldiers are using like dino-sourced hormone injections to amp themselves up but that's as far as I'd ever expect them to go. I’m not so sure. Jurassic Park has always been a Frankenstein allegory of sorts, which was made more explicit in the last movie with B.D. Wong’s monologue about how nothing in the park is “real.” That, combined with the subplot of Vincent D’Onofrio wanting to use raptors “in Tora Bora” opens up some pretty wild implications for what’s happening in the world beyond the park itself. Even acknowledging how batshit crazy a dinosaur/human hybrid would be, part of me thinks it’s kind of an inevitability in the series at this point. And to be clear: I don’t think we would get a Ripley-Clone horror show out of it. I would fully expect it to end up just looking like a big, weird raptor with maybe mammalian eyes and extensive problem-solving capabilities. I mean, let’s not kid ourselves; by this point we’ve already seen Sam Neil communicate with dinosaurs by tooting on a bone.
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Fart City posted:I’m not so sure. Jurassic Park has always been a Frankenstein allegory of sorts, which was made more explicit in the last movie with B.D. Wong’s monologue about how nothing in the park is “real.” That, combined with the subplot of Vincent D’Onofrio wanting to use raptors “in Tora Bora” opens up some pretty wild implications for what’s happening in the world beyond the park itself. Even acknowledging how batshit crazy a dinosaur/human hybrid would be, part of me thinks it’s kind of an inevitability in the series at this point. And to be clear: I don’t think we would get a Ripley-Clone horror show out of it. I would fully expect it to end up just looking like a big, weird raptor with maybe mammalian eyes and extensive problem-solving capabilities. I mean, let’s not kid ourselves; by this point we’ve already seen Sam Neil communicate with dinosaurs by tooting on a bone. "Yeah but when Frankenstein's Monster malfunctions the doctor doesn't eat the tourists." I'm kind of indifferent about whether or not they go the human DNA and/or human dino hybrid route. Like it'd be awesome if they did but I wouldn't really blame them for sticking to the "basics" for a while of dinosaurs attacking stuff. I'd honestly be a lot more excited if they went full multi-colored feathers for the dinosaur designs. Like imagine something with CG/practical stuff as good as Jurassic Park 1 was when it was new but with that.
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I just want those goddamned Dinos with guns. JW2's premise is just utterly idiotic to me. Who cares if these Dinos die? They shouldn't exist in the first place and they eats humans. Let them all fry.
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Feb 5, 2018 18:24
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What if I told you one of those dinosaurs swallowed the nuclear codes after air Force one crashed there, and a team of elite social forces has to save the president and get the codes. I'm leaving in the typo. Elite social forces. Air Force One also had a bunch of Instagram celebrities and YouTubers on it.
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AceOfFlames posted:I just want those goddamned Dinos with guns. I'm hoping that whatever the big bad dino of this flick is gets knocked into the volcano.............and then like the xenomorph in Alien 3 is hops out but is this like molten huge fuckoff demon dinosaur and this happens like 45 minutes into the movie and it's revealed we were watching another Godzilla/Skull Island tie-in movie. Like I'd be thrilled with all kinds of crazy stuff happening, just I don't really blame them for sticking to the what works when World made as much money as it did.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:What if I told you one of those dinosaurs swallowed the nuclear codes after air Force one crashed there, and a team of elite social forces has to save the president and get the codes. Hell I'd watch Escape from New York but in Jurassic Park.
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One of the many treatments for the fifth Rambo movie that never got made was going to involve Rambo and his younger special forces friend whose name I forget but it was just an awesome 80s action movie name like JOHNNY HUGEARM or something have to team up to fight a man/lizard hybrid super warrior in the arctic. I don't know how but I would love if any aspect of that could make it into a Jurassic Park movie somehow.
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Feb 5, 2018 18:56
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oh my god why did that not get made, what the gently caress I need Rambo and Vulcan Raven teaming up against a Predator now
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Feb 5, 2018 19:23
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I would love if that had actually been the follow up fo Rambo itself. My god, the tonal whiplash would be strong enough to change the tides.
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Feb 5, 2018 19:25
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Like the transition from First Blood to First Blood II wasn't jarring? It goes from "war is hell and destroys the survivors as much as the fallen" to "gently caress yeah, war rules!"
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Like the transition from First Blood to First Blood II wasn't jarring? It goes from "war is hell and destroys the survivors as much as the fallen" to "gently caress yeah, war rules!" Well yeah but we were helping our new best friends forever, the Taliban, in that one.
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