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Arivia posted:She’s pregnant. Those seem to be pregnancy effects that run in her family from what you’ve quoted. quote:She makes it very clear she wants a child, to have a family, etc. quote:Also we’re hearing what the therapist said second hand so it might not be that blunt. Even if it is, “just do it and cope afterwards” is a pretty key anti-anxiety technique. This is the kind of stuff my therapist does with me for my own anxiety issues and so on. I get the feeling you’ve never actually done anti-anxiety therapy. This fits pretty well.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:09 |
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Midnight Voyager posted:man, if that's how she copes with the thought of having to terminate a baby she wants in a situation she doesn't want, she can go for it. That's pretty harmless as far as things go. It's not like she's a Christian Scientist or something. Exposure therapy is the only real cure for phobias.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:09 |
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My [22/M] girlfriend [22/F] accidentally damaged my friend's [21/M] laptop, and he wants me to break up with her because of it, or else he's ending our friendship.quote:I AM NOT BREAKING UP WITH MY GIRLFRIEND OVER THIS. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. THANK YOU. [Update] My [22/M] girlfriend [22/F] accidentally damaged my friend's [21/M] laptop, and he wants me to break up with her because of it, or else he's ending our friendship. quote:My buddy called me yesterday to apologize for his overreaction over what my girlfriend did. There was something he wanted to discuss in person with me so I swung by his place shortly after.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:13 |
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Reminds me a lot of We Need to Talk About Kevin. If she needs to get an abortion, she has to do it asap. And get a divorce lawyer on the phone as she leaves the clinic because poo poo will get ugly fast.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:14 |
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loquacius posted:Are you seriously saying that the biological imperative to reproduce is a dumb and arbitrary thing for people to be influenced by Don't be silly, I'm saying that if you seem to be out of options that don't severely harm your spouse physically or mentally, the biological imperative to reproduce should be something you can get past. And even non-human animals adopt. I had a coworker like that. Three miscarriages and he still wanted to impregnate his wife for a kid despite the doctor saying it could kill her. ADAMANT against adopting or surrogacy or anything not his dick in her bits. The only explanation he could give was "But it wouldn't be MY kid." Well, now it's not his marriage either. Danaru posted:My [22/M] girlfriend [22/F] accidentally damaged my friend's [21/M] laptop, and he wants me to break up with her because of it, or else he's ending our friendship. Oh, that's actually sweet. Other than the weird focus on the game.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:21 |
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Drunk uncle [40’s m] kept asking young girl to kiss him on the lipsquote:My uncle was really drunk at a party the other night, and a family friend brought their daughter who’s maybe 10. He gave her a hundred dollar bill and kept asking her to kiss him. I told the friends, and they got her and left.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:27 |
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Danaru posted:My [22/M] girlfriend [22/F] accidentally damaged my friend's [21/M] laptop, and he wants me to break up with her because of it, or else he's ending our friendship. Well, time to open up the team.
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Danaru posted:Drunk uncle [40’s m] kept asking young girl to kiss him on the lips No don't cut him out of your life, cut him out of his.
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Danaru posted:Drunk uncle [40’s m] kept asking young girl to kiss him on the lips The uncle's name is Tom Brady
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:29 |
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I wish adoption didn't cost so much. At this point I'm hoping a baby rocket crashes into our driveway.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:34 |
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Beachcomber posted:I wish adoption didn't cost so much. awww are you going to raise it to be a big rocket someday
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:36 |
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Beachcomber posted:At this point I'm hoping a baby rocket crashes into our driveway. I thought this was a really weird innuendo for a minute
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:40 |
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Pvt.Scott posted:Exposure therapy is the only real cure for phobias. This is true, but exposure therapy is done in planned titrations in a controlled environment. This isn't that. Anne Whateley posted:That's a good technique for when you have to, like, ask a stranger the time or knock over a display in a grocery store. "Suck it up and power through" is not a good technique when you're in tremendous distress and trying to decide whether to have an abortion or kill yourself. In any case, it isn't encouragement and in this case it isn't remotely helpful. This is accurate. You don't use exposure therapy techniques for dealing with a problem of this magnitude. It'd be like stabbing someone in the chest as exposure therapy for a phobia of needles. For her own sake I hope she has a miscarriage.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 04:45 |
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Exposure therapy works super well, just watch that clip of Maury where they bring out a giant plate of pickles for the lady that has a phobia of pickles and she is instantly cured.
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Pick posted:awww are you going to raise it to be a big rocket someday We aren't having a lot of luck using traditional methods.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 05:00 |
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loquacius posted:Are you seriously saying that the biological imperative to reproduce is a dumb and arbitrary thing for people to be influenced by It's really moot anyway because they apparently have the resources to do things via a surrogate and the husband vetoed that, so it's not even just he wants biological kids, it's he wants HER to be pregnant when that makes her suicidal.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 05:18 |
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Beachcomber posted:We aren't having a lot of luck using traditional methods. If I had to guess the issue appears to be you're trying to put a man in the moon
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 05:26 |
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PetraCore posted:The biological imperative to reproduce is definitely a factor but the health of your partner takes priority with most people. And humans are pretty good at translating 'desire for a legacy' into things other than having biological children. He's totally within in his right to want kids the way he wants kids, and she was totally within her right to say she couldn't do that. He didn't force her down this path, she tried because she wanted it more than she wanted a divorce. Neither of them are bad people for pursuing what they wanted, it's just unfortunate that it's mutually exclusive. As far as what she should do now I have no idea, if she really is in a spot where she's thinking of killing herself she probably has to just end the pregnancy and her marriage.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 06:12 |
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Dienes posted:This is true, but exposure therapy is done in planned titrations in a controlled environment. This isn't that. I know. I’ve done exposure therapy. Can’t a fella make light of a horrible tragedy?
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 06:37 |
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Gorefluff posted:lol! I watched this the other night. One of my wife’s boyfriend’s favourite movies and pretty much the only thing we bond over is quoting that masterpiece. so are we all going to ignore this or
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 07:00 |
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ArbitraryC posted:He's totally within in his right to want kids the way he wants kids, and she was totally within her right to say she couldn't do that. He didn't force her down this path, she tried because she wanted it more than she wanted a divorce. Neither of them are bad people for pursuing what they wanted, it's just unfortunate that it's mutually exclusive. EDIT: Like yeah if she gets an abortion which is the healthiest option for her at this point it's absolutely going to tank the marriage. I don't think that makes him a villain. But while he didn't force her into a pregnancy, there's some kind of sketchy things going on that are probably more societal issues than him being a Bad Person but it's still poo poo. PetraCore fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Trauma Dog 3000 posted:so are we all going to ignore this or oh my god don't give poly people a reason to talk about themselves!! thats even worse than me talking!!!
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 07:11 |
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Pick posted:oh my god don't give poly people a reason to talk about themselves!! thats even worse than me talking!!!
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 07:17 |
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PetraCore posted:No, he's not. It's fair for him to want biological kids, but he does not get to nix a surrogate using his wife's egg and his sperm when his wife has a phobia of being pregnant because it just doesn't feel authentic to him that way. He's not the one who gets to feel someone else literally growing inside his body. If the problem with a surrogate isn't a financial problem, then he IS in the wrong.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 07:17 |
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She should get an abortion, they should divorce, and Carthage must be destroyed. These are all obvious truths.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 07:21 |
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PetraCore posted:EDIT: Like yeah if she gets an abortion which is the healthiest option for her at this point it's absolutely going to tank the marriage. I don't think that makes him a villain. But while he didn't force her into a pregnancy, there's some kind of sketchy things going on that are probably more societal issues than him being a Bad Person but it's still poo poo.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 07:21 |
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I would say making your wife feel pressured into going through a “traditional” pregnancy, which you know she has a phobia about and could potentially be very difficult for her and she’s expressed that she would much rather go with other options, is in fact kind of bad. Of course he can want whatever he wants, but I’d say what he wants in this case is pretty selfish. And no, I don’t think he’s an absolute monster or anything.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 07:34 |
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They both thought they could work through it though, at worst it's naivety. Dude wants a normal rear end family with a normal rear end pregnancy and conception, that's totally achievable as a 29 year old who presumably is p well off. It's okay that he wants thing that's not compatible with her. In the same token she was obviously willing to try because she wanted to keep the relationship, it's not like she strung him along or anything it's just she realized through this experience no amount of therapy is ever gonna make it a possibility. No one forced anyone to do anything, it was just clear to them both that their options were "try or end relationship", she went with try and found she simply couldn't do it. They're barely 30, they can both find someone more compatible.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 07:37 |
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I feel like I should go back to pointing out the bit of this I quoted where she absolutely felt pressured to do this to keep her marriage and where she's starting to hate him. Again. Seriously, you can feel pressured into doing something by someone just ignoring your obvious problems and pressing on with it because maybe you'll change your mind. That's all pressure is. He can do it without being a monster, but he absolutely should have listened to her problems way before it got this far. Midnight Voyager fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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And she always had the option to say no and have that be that. His pressuring was him expressing what he wanted out of their relationship and her deciding that it was worth trying because she wanted to keep that relationship. I guess if you wanna bust out the ideal world scenario then yeah he would have accepted she was only agreeing because she was desperate to stay involved with him and he should have ended things proactively, but dude's a human who loves her too and was naively clinging to the hope things would work out when they tried. He didn't proactively end things for the same reason she tried to go through with the pregnancy, they both wanted things to work out despite the clear writing on the wall. It's just a sad story.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 07:56 |
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Barudak posted:If I had to guess the issue appears to be you're trying to put a man in the moon
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 08:11 |
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ArbitraryC posted:And she always had the option to say no and have that be that. His pressuring was him expressing what he wanted out of their relationship and her deciding that it was worth trying because she wanted to keep that relationship. I guess if you wanna bust out the ideal world scenario then yeah he would have accepted she was only agreeing because she was desperate to stay involved with him and he should have ended things proactively, but dude's a human who loves her too and was naively clinging to the hope things would work out when they tried. Pressuring is always okay as long as the other person doesn't have a gun to their head! I mean, not saying no is the same thing as consent, right? In an ideal world, nobody would pressure anybody into things they didn't want, but here we are, so pressure all you like and it's fine. Let me put it this way. Dude pressures a girlfriend for sex. He naively thinks that he is supposed to do this, this is how relationships are supposed to work. She eventually caves, even though she always had the option to say no. He wouldn't have hurt her if she said no. Yes, the dude was naive and stupid, but it was a lovely thing to do. It is not less lovely just because the girl caved. It's not even less lovely if the girl isn't super traumatized by it and they go on to have a happy relationship. It is still a lovely thing on its own. Shittiness does not require malice. I'm not saying put a bullet in his drat head. He should be informed that this was a lovely thing to do going forward.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 08:15 |
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Wait. Me [32F] with my husband [31 M] of 4 years have very different backgrounds and little comments are concerning me quote:My husband and I are a very good in a great relationships (of course we have our ups and downs) - life is pretty normal for us tbh - we have a nice home and a couple of cute kids and leftover money each month and some savings and cars etc Holy gently caress, define middle class
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 08:24 |
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It really wasn't though because his desire was perfectly reasonable and a p normal path forward for a relationship. If two 30 year olds were in a relationship with no sex life and one partner inferred that if things didn't change it'd be over I don't think that'd be an unreasonable level of pressure either no. It'd be okay to divorce over a dead bedroom and it's weird to imply that'd be some form of attempted rape. I would agree that there are unreasonable demands you could try to leverage a relationship over that could be considered abuse even if there were no implied threat of retaliation, but someone wanting something incredibly common to relationships is not that imo, it's just them having incompatible life goals.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 08:26 |
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Midnight Voyager posted:Wait.
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Beachcomber posted:I wish adoption didn't cost so much. I would highly recommend you look into fost-adoption. While there are their own level of variables (race of the child, uncertainties about permanent adoption) unlike conventional adoption it doesn't really cost anything and you get a lot of financial support along the way.
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 08:27 |
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oh my god, I wanted to give ArbitraryC the benefit of the doubt and not just accept what whoever said, that he always had the worst opinions, but I give up, I regret my optimism
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 08:29 |
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Danaru posted:Drunk uncle [40’s m] kept asking young girl to kiss him on the lips Absolutely kill him
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 08:52 |
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Midnight Voyager posted:oh my god, I wanted to give ArbitraryC the benefit of the doubt and not just accept what whoever said, that he always had the worst opinions, but I give up, I regret my optimism What did he say in that that you so strongly disagree with?
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# ? Feb 6, 2018 08:57 |
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Midnight Voyager posted:Pressuring is always okay as long as the other person doesn't have a gun to their head! I mean, not saying no is the same thing as consent, right? In an ideal world, nobody would pressure anybody into things they didn't want, but here we are, so pressure all you like and it's fine. I think you're being a little nonsensically robotic about this. This is something that's a deal breaker for the guy, so the relationship would've ended if they didn't do it. She cared(or thought she did) more about the relationship than this, so she did it. Like, I don't know what you're actually saying, here; there were basically exactly two options between them doing this thing that is important to him or them divorcing. Should the dude have just dumped her upon finding out about this, or what? That's kind of reasonable, if so, but I feel like it's a little unrealistic.
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