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Oh yeah while we're still talking about FFXII, everyone who said the game had god-tier voice acting were just high on nostalgia right
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Your Computer posted:Oh yeah while we're still talking about FFXII, everyone who said the game had god-tier voice acting were just high on nostalgia right It could be a lot worse. A HA HA HA HA HA HA.
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Feb 6, 2018 08:28
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Your Computer posted:Oh yeah while we're still talking about FFXII, everyone who said the game had god-tier voice acting were just high on nostalgia right Going from X to XII was a hell of a thing.
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Feb 6, 2018 08:28
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lobster22221 posted:It could be a lot worse. A HA HA HA HA HA HA. point taken
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Feb 6, 2018 08:29
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Your Computer posted:Oh yeah while we're still talking about FFXII, everyone who said the game had god-tier voice acting were just high on nostalgia right Not if you're listening to the Japanese track
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Feb 6, 2018 08:29
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lobster22221 posted:It could be a lot worse. A HA HA HA HA HA HA. What an amazing contradiction
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Feb 6, 2018 08:39
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Sakurazuka posted:Not if you're listening to the Japanese track See, this is why I'm asking. I've seen it told so many times that turning on the Japanese voices is the biggest videogame crime of the century because then you'll miss out on the best voice acting ever produced. and I'm uh, not seeing it 
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Feb 6, 2018 08:49
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Fran's accent is good and Balthier I guess but that's it. The Japanese track has Norio Wakamoto hamming it up eventually.
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Feb 6, 2018 08:51
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The voice acting is really good for the time, and they did an especially good job of giving all of the main and supporting characters distinct voices that let you easily identify them. And of course Gideon Emory  But FFX has started to grow on me after I started hearing Wakka as Jason from the Good Place. e: drat now I want a mod for FFX that replaces Wakka's dialogue with Jason's Florida stories. It'd make about as much sense as the rest of FFX.
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Feb 6, 2018 08:52
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Sakurazuka posted:The Japanese track has Norio Wakamoto hamming it up eventually.  I made the right choice
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Feb 6, 2018 08:53
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Your Computer posted:See, this is why I'm asking. I've seen it told so many times that turning on the Japanese voices is the biggest videogame crime of the century because then you'll miss out on the best voice acting ever produced. Most of the acting is just so-so with a good points here and there, but I think the parts people enjoy are Cid and Gilgamesh. They have an energy the rest of the game is lacking. I'd argue Vayne does pretty well too. Also Balthier. Balthier's acting is exactly what the character needs.
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Feb 6, 2018 08:56
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He's not in a ton but Al-Cid steals every scene he is in
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Feb 6, 2018 08:56
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Sakurazuka posted:He's not in a ton but Al-Cid steals every scene he is in I had forgotten about Al-Cid
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Feb 6, 2018 09:00
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Simon Templeman was criminally underused as Judge Zargabaath. You may remember him from such roles as Kain from the Legacy of Kain series, and Loghain from Dragon Age Origins.
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Feb 6, 2018 09:05
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Vaan saying choyss morssselss
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Feb 6, 2018 09:09
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Barudak posted:Once a character joins your party, excepting guest characters, they're just joined for good. So basically just pick the three characters you like and go tell the other ones to go huff glue or whatever bench-warmers do in FF games. Thanks (and to the others who replied). I've been using Archer/Red Battlemage jobs for Fran and haven't really needed to use a white mage at all. Occasionally I'll drop Ashe in for flan but I've just been powering through so far using brute force. I won't worry about grinding them unless I go for the achievement.
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Feb 6, 2018 09:41
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I don't get playing a game in Japanese unless you actually speak it, any benefit of "better voice acting" would just be lost to if it all sounds like gibberish.
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ApplesandOranges posted:There's a scene in the Ozmone Plain where Ashe is bitter about negotiating with the Empire for peace, saying her people would never accept it. Basch butts in and goes, 'the alternative is war. If you can spare them that, then might be the best to look past your own hangups with this idea.' That's uh... basically Vaan's interactions with her in Jahara you just described. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8cXPNpFLA&t=281s Sapozhnik posted:The very first announcement of FFXII was a picture of Archades with I think a hooded Basch walking down the street toward the camera so maybe that's where that comes from No the first images of FFXII was Vaan in the Selikawoods. At the time, in design, his character name was "Aqua" and he was the first character to be drawn, though the last to be designed (Penelo even came before him conceptually). quote:Vaan's early name was "Aqua" (アクア, as seen in Akihiko Yoshida's concept art) and intended to be an Iyashi kei character (癒し系, "therapeutic type", a kind of Japanese stock character). Vaan is known for going over several personality changes over the course of development, originally written as a rugged and world-worn character until the developers reconsidered the target demographic and Vaan was rewritten to be more effeminate. After Kouhei Takeda was cast as his voice, the developers rewrote Vaan to match the energetic personality his voice lent to the character. quote:https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/7/75/Vaan-concept.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170707125449 This is the first art drawn for FFXII, the 'Aqua' piece. I've gone over it before, but Vaan's interactions with Ashe are important for he is the stand-in for the masses for her. He travels the same road, he lost someone he loved on the same day to the same man she did. He spent the same time hating the empire and desiring revenge, but while Ashe eventually let rage consume her, Vaan hid his grief, by, in his own words "Saying I'll be a sky pirate or something stupid like that. Anything to take my mind off it." The Occuria attempted to lure Vaan as much as they did Ashe, by showing him visions of the dead, but unlike her, he came to realize that his hatred and desire for revenge did nothing for him. Every time the Nethicite comes up, Vaan tells Ashe to destroy it, he's very focused on essentially leading her off the path of destruction. Again, the other major scene is at the Pharos, where Ashe is considering cutting the stone and he tells her, to her face, "You're going to destroy it, aren't you." She tells him not to interrupt. And I'm sure most people didn't actually catch the delivery or meaning there. Ashe, in both her initial encounters with Vaan, when they're being arrested, and when they're rescuing her she snaps at him to "Not interrupt her." On the Pharos, her voice direction is whimsical and nostalgic, at peace. And when Gabranth comes out as her final temptation to stoke her rage, she looks to Vaan, who calms himself for her, nodding to her and rejecting Gabranth's call for violence. Like... I'm sorry I know he's not very well liked but his purpose and participation in the game is pretty loving big.
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How the hell isn't there a mod that replaces Wakka's dialogue with Bender's yet?
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Avalerion posted:I don't get playing a game in Japanese unless you actually speak it, any benefit of "better voice acting" would just be lost to if it all sounds like gibberish. And I don't get why you're making posts when they all read like gibberish but here we are  I joke of course, but it's kinda weird to think of languages you don't speak as "gibberish". fwiw I'm not a native English speaker either so it's a bit of a pet peeve for me when people insist that stuff should be in English because it's more "natural".
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Mega64 posted:How the hell isn't there a mod that replaces Wakka's dialogue with Bender's yet? Who'd notice the difference?
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Feb 6, 2018 10:28
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Vaan also serves as an excuse for the party to be doing hunts, if I'm being fair. Wonder if krrpinh the "rugged and world-worn" character for him and keeping the same general plot beats might have made him better received.Your Computer posted:fwiw I'm not a native English speaker either so it's a bit of a pet peeve for me when people insist that stuff should be in English because it's more "natural". I'm not a native english speaker either.  Not claiming English is better, I'm happy to consume media in any language I actually comprehend.
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Feb 6, 2018 10:30
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If you think about it Vaan is just a poor (wealth-wise) version of Ramza, except with voice acting and, most importantly, getting no real agency of his own since he's following people with actual status. Vaan would probably be better liked if he had a more apparent role in leading the party like every other FF protagonist. Even games like FFX where the path is set, Tidus shook things up enough with his big dumb mouth that it was clear this was his story. Meanwhile Vaan gets shouted down by Vengeance Princess and the Leading Man, so who loving cares about Vaan.
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Feb 6, 2018 10:34
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When people say 12 has great voice acting they mean the part where vaan's CAPTAIN BASCH OF DALMASCA
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Avalerion posted:I don't get playing a game in Japanese unless you actually speak it, any benefit of "better voice acting" would just be lost to if it all sounds like gibberish. I think your preferences are somewhat molded by where you live, in my country nothing gets dubbed except for television shows for kids who are too young to read subtitles. A lot of older people don't understand English at all but they still watch television series in English on a daily basis without any problems. Same with German or French movies for example, watching them dubbed instead of in their original languages would feel weird as hell to me despite not understanding either language. It's just a matter of preference, there isn't really anything to "get".
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Onmi posted:That's uh... basically Vaan's interactions with her in Jahara you just described. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8cXPNpFLA&t=281s And the day after as the group heads to the Henne Mines, Ashe has another conversation with Basch. Mind he doesn't basically tell her to get over herself, but nudges her along the idea that 'Dalmascans probably deserve peace.' Vaan doesn't know enough about politics to give Ashe any advice on that, which is, at the same time, what she also needs - a voice free of any political trappings or ties. Also on the subject of VAing, Judge Drace was also great. Honestly, all the judges were pretty fantastic.
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Feb 6, 2018 10:49
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Zodiac Age is the first time in close to a decade where I've voluntarily chosen dub over sub. How much of that is nostalgia from playing 12 back at launch is debateable but at the very least, it's not skin crawling bad which is the highest praise I can personally give a dub.
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ApplesandOranges posted:And the day after as the group heads to the Henne Mines, Ashe has another conversation with Basch. Mind he doesn't basically tell her to get over herself, but nudges her along the idea that 'Dalmascans probably deserve peace.' Everyone has their Ashe moment, really. Balthier I believe has something for her at the Phon Coast. Which is what I really love about FF12, like... Nobody really doesn't have a reason to be there, Penelo is the closest and the directors already mentioned that... they had to cut her stuff, that's what makes up a bulk of revenant wings, her feelings regarding her brothers' death and the like. The Judge's knocked it out of the park, like... Larsa's VA is suffering because they're trying to get across this very polite, stilted kid. Which just comes across as awkward. Vayne and Cid are also really good, especially Cid's mad ramblings. I love this game... it's a pity it's pacing so balls. Like it's actually a really good story, but events happen like... very far spaced apart. And it has so many repeating like... themes or lines. "Haven't you best be off? Fool of a pirate." Mega64 posted:If you think about it Vaan is just a poor (wealth-wise) version of Ramza, except with voice acting and, most importantly, getting no real agency of his own since he's following people with actual status. One of Vaan's best and hilarious moments is also a really misunderstood one. It's the one at the Viera village where they're stuck asking them to lower the barrier, and everyone's trying their best to just get through to the stubborn Much like when they're on the Strahl and Balthier is asking Vaan why he's even there, which leads Vaan to stumbling and muttering and not having an answer, which sets up the Jahara scene, but again, people only remember because Vaan got asked why he was even there.
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I went with the original just because having one of the antagonists voiced by Big Boss is hilarious Vaan is cool and chill guy. Also fairly good looking for a JRPG character. Shame about the shirt tho WaltherFeng fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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mandatory lesbian posted:When people say 12 has great voice acting they mean the part where vaan's CAPTAIN BASCH OF DALMASCA best part of the game tbh
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Feb 6, 2018 12:04
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Avalerion posted:I don't get playing a game in Japanese unless you actually speak it, any benefit of "better voice acting" would just be lost to if it all sounds like gibberish. I could only understand it if the english voice acting was particularly bad and since the japanese sounds like gibberish you wouldn't be able to tell how bad it was or not
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Feb 6, 2018 12:07
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Your Computer posted:And I don't get why you're making posts when they all read like gibberish but here we are They do make a point, though. I mean I appreciate a good sub (esp if a dub is lackluster) but in this day and age the voice casting is usually much better, and the localizations usually much better, as well. Given the option and spare time to I like to experience both, if I like the game or show or w/e enough, but you do miss a lot of subtle nuances/etc if you don't understand the language. It's not really gibberish, that's a bit far. And it's not like you're missing out on emotional cues or anything. But there is definitely a lot lost in translation. A well crafted dub is better imho. Plus with games you can run into issues like recently with Nier:A where there's a lot of dialogue during combat, and gently caress reading subtitles while I'm trying to focus on dodging poo poo. e: also it goes without saying that this only pertains to dubs of animated poo poo or games. dubs of live action stuff is bad unless you're watching kung fu movies for a laugh or smth esperterra fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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WaltherFeng posted:I went with the original just because having one of the antagonists voiced by Big Boss is hilarious I was pretty blown away by the fact that SE bothered to fix his abs for the Zodiac Age. They are definitely less nightmarish than the original release.
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Feb 6, 2018 12:20
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When I first stated getting into anime and games it was lovely dubs or nothing here, nowadays I don't have to put up with that so I don't.
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I’m getting the sense gibberish itself might have been the wrong word to use in that context, appologies if it has some negative baggage I’m not aware off.fridge corn posted:you wouldn't be able to tell how bad it was or not Yup this is what I was trying to express. 
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Feb 6, 2018 12:37
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Gibberish means 'literally unintelligible' and sounds pretty racist when used to describe a foreign language tbh
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fridge corn posted:since the japanese sounds like gibberish you wouldn't be able to tell how bad it was or not Gibberish comment aside, you really don't need to be fluent in a language to tell if it's bad acting or not. Especially not if There's a lot you can pick up on in a language even if you can't understand everything or speak it yourself. Kanfy posted:I think your preferences are somewhat molded by where you live, in my country nothing gets dubbed except for television shows for kids who are too young to read subtitles. A lot of older people don't understand English at all but they still watch television series in English on a daily basis without any problems. Same with German or French movies for example, watching them dubbed instead of in their original languages would feel weird as hell to me despite not understanding either language.
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Your Computer posted:Gibberish comment aside, you really don't need to be fluent in a language to tell if it's bad acting or not. Especially not if japanese voice acting in video games and anime is typically just as bad as the english but in that instance its less grating because of lack of familiarity with the language Id always prefer an English dub in something animated if it is of good quality. Live action films and TV is better subbed imo
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Both voice tracks in FF12 are good, unlike this lovely argument
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For something else then, should I hold off on unlocking some quickening licenses for later ones? Like Balthier has one right near the start but there is no license locked behind it, while one of Fran’s has spells.
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