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Is this the first time they've promised info on the video game or are they still in a holding pattern over a game that was nominally shown at the last E3? EDIT http://onlysp.com/world-of-darkness-exclusive-interview/ Interview with Tobias and Voivode Groinsblood from October. He's claiming to be reviewing “every part of the game, every piece of concept art, as a part of [the] licensing process.” so  Also has anybody discussed how the topics he wants to handle and the way he wants to take them on is going to go over like a live grenade in a crowded room in the current social and political climate? Maybe that's what's keeping it under wraps, besides how drat early it is- The Last Night got all its good press torpedoed when its creator turned out to be some stripe of alt-right. The Discourse is going to be palpable.
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I Am Just a Box posted:Print on demand coupon I signed up for a PoD coupon for Changeling and am getting one, because my friend, who GMs most of the games my group plays, has a policy where if anyone buys him a physical copy of the book he will run any game. Not that it's a common reason for it, but getting a second one for a friend or for the group might be a reason people get the PoD ones?
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Feb 2, 2018 10:09
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Mr. Maltose posted:Nah, that's exceedingly Attitude Era. Which is a pretty good description of the nuWW approach in general.
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Feb 2, 2018 13:08
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I used the PoD coupon on Mage 20th so I could have a table copy that wasn't quite as unwieldy as the deluxe book.
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Feb 2, 2018 14:10
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They keep on talking up this Werewolf game but the fact that they don't have anything at this point other than some mediocre art and a terrible logo tells me that it's going to be garbage and Paradox isn't really involved in the process.
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Feb 2, 2018 15:43
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Eagerly awaiting the game and then V5 sales to be so low that PDX takes a second look at the idea of being so hands-off with nuWW
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Feb 2, 2018 15:57
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Unfortunately V5 will likely sell quite well. We are a relative minority of the fanbase - a great many more belong to the LARP world these days.
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Feb 2, 2018 16:04
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V5 will probably have a strong market penetration in Europe, but it's going to go over like a wet fart in America.
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Feb 2, 2018 16:06
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Loomer posted:Unfortunately V5 will likely sell quite well. We are a relative minority of the fanbase - a great many more belong to the LARP world these days. Well yeah, but there are aspects of the LARP community that the LARP community doesn't like to encourage, and if V5 is laser targeted at them it'll piss the wider LARP community off too.
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Feb 2, 2018 16:15
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V5 is going to do OK for the same reason 5e D&D did. Nostalgia is worth much more than good design, and there's going to be a ton of ill-informed gaming articles about how great it is that "Vampire the Masquerade is finally back!"
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Feb 2, 2018 16:27
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moths posted:V5 is going to do OK for the same reason 5e D&D did. Nostalgia is worth much more than good design, and there's going to be a ton of ill-informed gaming articles about how great it is that "Vampire the Masquerade is finally back!" Funny you should say that, because most of the praise I've seen for 5e is centered on the fact that it isn't stuck in the past. That's not so much the game design though as the worldbuilding and illustrations climbing out that icky cave where everyone is white as the driven snow, women are legally obligated to wear chainmail bikinis and gay people just plain don't exist. I guess that was the plan? Harken back mechanically to Munchkin: the Calculating to rope in the grognards, throw out the gross nerd poo poo to attract functional 21st century adults. And if that worked, maybe there's hope still that V5 crashes and burns because it fails to attract the latter demographic. Wouldn't count on it tho.
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Loomer posted:Unfortunately V5 will likely sell quite well. We are a relative minority of the fanbase - a great many more belong to the LARP world these days. That said, I don't do Isles of Darkness/Camarilla UK/whatever. I might be missing something. On the other hand, I suspect that people doing WW-derived LARPs are the minority in the LARP community these days, since the community's largely moved on to newer pastures. I suspect the LARP sales will be nowhere near what they are hoping it'll be. If I had to guess why they're gambling so much on it, I suspect that Ericsson is making the classic mistake of assuming that the wider LARP community broadly has the tastes of his own little bubble. (Admittedly, I might be making that mistake too... but I am aware that I am in a bubble. I don't know that he's aware that he is in one.)
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I mean, if I wasn't following this tread Vampire 5 by Ken Hite would be a no brainer, day one purchase. Now I am going to wait and see. If I want classic Vampire I already own V20, so it is going to have to impress me.
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So, sorry to burst in here, but I have foolishly decided to try to run Demon as a Choose Your Own Adventure game. Please feel free to vote or follow along with this trainwreck here.
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Ah, that all makes sense. I can definitely see the point of the PoD coupon now, even if I’m not likely to use one myself other than the “give to a friend” option. As things stand I have a couple weeks to decide if my “don’t give nuWW any money, even via OPP” rule is strong enough to withstand this Kickstarter. Æon/Trinity is extremely my poo poo, to the point that I have the original LEs and pins and dice sets and everything.  Even had the PDF-only books printed out and in binders way back in the day so they could go on the shelf with the other books and get referenced in-game.
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NinjaPete posted:So, sorry to burst in here, but I have foolishly decided to try to run Demon as a Choose Your Own Adventure game. Please feel free to vote or follow along with this trainwreck here. i will never understand this forum's obsession with play-by-post i mean more power to those of you who enjoy it but every time i see a game i'd like to play i get excited and then i see the format and it's like "... oh."
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AmiYumi posted:Ah, that all makes sense. I can definitely see the point of the PoD coupon now, even if I’m not likely to use one myself other than the “give to a friend” option. As things stand I have a couple weeks to decide if my “don’t give nuWW any money, even via OPP” rule is strong enough to withstand this Kickstarter. Æon/Trinity is extremely my poo poo, to the point that I have the original LEs and pins and dice sets and everything. You won't be giving NuWW any money if you back this, because unlike ChronD/WOD, OPP owns it outright instead of licenses it from them.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i will never understand this forum's obsession with play-by-post Scheduling live games is a nightmare, especially across time zones. Plus it's usually easier to maintain the kind of somber tone a Serious world of darkness game calls for in writing than in person. Personally I'd be all over it for that reason alone if I didn't know from experience that I tend to just slowly drift away without a regular schedule.
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unseenlibrarian posted:You won't be giving NuWW any money if you back this, because unlike ChronD/WOD, OPP owns it outright instead of licenses it from them. Yeah, Onyx Path was able to outright buy the Trinity universe from CCP before anything ever changed hands to Paradox, so nuWW has never laid a finger on Trinity. Buying Trinity Continuum has about as much relation to nuWW as buying Stellaris: the companies associate through other business deals but the product itself isn't one of those deals.
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unseenlibrarian posted:You won't be giving NuWW any money if you back this, because unlike ChronD/WOD, OPP owns it outright instead of licenses it from them. 
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I Am Just a Box posted:Yeah, Onyx Path was able to outright buy the Trinity universe from CCP before anything ever changed hands to Paradox, so nuWW has never laid a finger on Trinity. Buying Trinity Continuum has about as much relation to nuWW as buying Stellaris: the companies associate through other business deals but the product itself isn't one of those deals. To add to that, Onyx Path also entirely owns Scion as well.
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there's a reason the chronicles of darkness subforum on OPP's site is under the Trinity, Scion, and Pugmire ones
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The AEon kickstarter is a bit too expensive for me. Something like a 100 bucks to get a physical copy of AEon and Trinity, which is all I want.
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MonsieurChoc posted:The AEon kickstarter is a bit too expensive for me. Something like a 100 bucks to get a physical copy of AEon and Trinity, which is all I want. The corebook is going to be 200+ pages and Aeon is supposed to be 300+, and at $85 (plus shipping) that seems like a steal to me. I mean, I'd prefer something like ChroD's corebooks where you don't need a corebook and then expansion supplements just to have a complete game, but eh.
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http://theonyxpath.com/to-the-stars-and-back-to-the-ground-monday-meeting-notes/quote:Last, but in no way the least, I want to let you all know that Rollickin’ Rose Bailey has decided to leave Onyx Path to pursue some pretty great opportunities. I’m sad to lose her as a full-time part of our Onyx Path crew, as she has done so much to help build Onyx these last years all the while keeping an eagle-eye on the quality of our projects, but am happy that she is heading to new amazing adventures.
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All these badass nicknames make me hope for a reprint of the pro wrestling-themed Aberrant supplement for the new edition.
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Awwwww, Rose was the best part of OP. Wonder why she's switched to freelancing rather than fulltime.
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Mors Rattus posted:Awwwww, Rose was the best part of OP. Wonder why she's switched to freelancing rather than fulltime. Perhaps distancing self from nuWW
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Twibbit posted:Perhaps distancing self from nuWW
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I'm not aware of any publicly made feelings about nuWW but she was co-developer for Vampire 20th and was a model for one of the vampire clan images. I don't think she's anti-Masquerade or anything.
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nofather posted:I'm not aware of any publicly made feelings about nuWW but she was co-developer for Vampire 20th and was a model for one of the vampire clan images. I don't think she's anti-Masquerade or anything. The 20th anniversary editions are OPP projects and are a very different beast from swedracula's nuWW and its upcoming V5, which is more of a different Beast.
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Terrorforge posted:The 20th anniversary editions are OPP projects and are a very different beast from swedracula's nuWW and its upcoming V5, which is more of a different Beast. Not really anymore. It's true that NuWolf had no hand in the first parts of V20, since that was produced before Paradox bought the White Wolf imprint, NuWolf has made changes on several current 20th anniversary releases to bring them more in line with their ideas for the 5th edition lines.
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Kurieg posted:Not really anymore. It's true that NuWolf had no hand in the first parts of V20, since that was produced before Paradox bought the White Wolf imprint, NuWolf has made changes on several current 20th anniversary releases to bring them more in line with their ideas for the 5th edition lines. Oh, ew. e: though frankly that's just further (anecdotal) evidence that "worked on V20" does not equate to "okay with nuwolf" e2: what kind of changes, exactly? Terrorforge fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Terrorforge posted:Oh, ew. W20 Shattered Dreams had a really passive aggressive sidebar added by WWP that boiled down to "This book is non-canon since we didn't write it, but that's actually a good thing since it means you can say whatever you want!"  The new Black Hand book had some... changes... in it. MachineIV posted:The last V20 book I did, Black Hand, had some pretty significant edits from them. A few sections just whole cloth cut. And a few fundamental concepts they demanded I change. For example, they wanted no ambiguous statements that suggest vampires might have souls. Even a few in-character references, they said had to be changed because they didn’t want players confused into thinking vampires had souls. They said they wanted me to make it explicitly clear that vampires get souls when they achieve Golconda. They also said only vampires with souls could become wraiths. So, the few vampire wraiths in the Black Hand had to be explicitly made to have objectively achieved Golconda before death. And Changing Ways, the most recent book for Werewolf turns the entire garou nation into reproduction obsessed transphobic anti-vaxxers.
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Kurieg posted:Werewolves are against abortions and birth control (also "Garou sex is vigorous enough to overcome any physical contraceptive, and hormones don't work"). To be fair that seems more like they don't use it because it doesn't work, rather than being against it. quote:Werewolves are anti-vaxxers because all vaccines are of the wyrm. Someone actually posted this at some point around when W20 came out, and I recall that Rose shut the thread down (I believe the poster was accusing OPP of promoting an antivaxxer agenda), so I imagine she wouldn't jibe well with this.
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nofather posted:To be fair that seems more like they don't use it because it doesn't work, rather than being against it. Well, there are methods that do work on Garou, and the nation is decidedly against them. And apparently all garou subconciously want their children so most of the time they'll frenzy during the abortion proceedings. Also apparently the womb in a pregnant Crinos Garou draws up into their ribcage to better protect the fetus in combat. It's super  -y.e: Also it doesn't bring into focus the fact that kinfolk are still involved in the "new Garou" making process. It's just that apparently even in homid form a male garou thrusts hard enough to just split that hard rubber diaphragm right in two. I don't have the book here but it's probably leading into 5th Edition werewolf where the Garou are basically in "Make new soldiers by any means necessary, even if it means we lose the ability to make new soldiers later, or make our current soldiers into depressed suicidal monsters." Kurieg fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Sad to see Rose go, she's been great. Hope everything works out well for her.
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There's a lot going on there, but the thing that stands out most to me is that he insulted something by comparing it to Harry Potter. Namedropping "thing for children" as an unqualified signifier of badness is the kind of thing you expect from an insecure fourteen-year-old trying to act cool, not as editorial from a professional creative in his thirties.
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I imagine that Rose probably just got a better job in some other field. As no one is getting rich in the TRPG industry it is pretty easy to imagine jumping at a chance to work at something better. I am sure the nuWW stuff being a hassle as one of the main Onyx Path people didn't hurt in deciding to do something else.
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Kurieg posted:And Changing Ways, the most recent book for Werewolf turns the entire garou nation into reproduction obsessed transphobic anti-vaxxers. The Pentex Employee Indoctrination Handbook has a whole paragraph or two in the Magadon section about how vaccinations are evil and people who try to steer kids away from them and medicine are to be shutdown. It's an evil organization but the take away is that modern medicine is inherently evil.
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