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I had to check on that since he's fairly prolific and has worked for Marvel a lot and yeah, the only X-book he's written is Spider-Man and X-Factor in 1994 (which I've never even heard of until now).
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Endless Mike posted:I had to check on that since he's fairly prolific and has worked for Marvel a lot and yeah, the only X-book he's written is Spider-Man and X-Factor in 1994 (which I've never even heard of until now). Wait...there's a title called Spider-Man and X-Factor? *checks* I'll be damned. And it's the good X-Factor team too.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:11
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IIRC, if you bring a copy of that book to Busiek to sign it, he will usually apologize for it.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:16
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irlZaphod posted:There's also the factor that, whether he was right to feel that way or not, Claremont felt that the X-Men were "his" at the time. He'd taken on the assignment 10 years previously when nobody wanted it, and helped turned it into a sales juggernaut. There were only 2 montly books, and he was writing both of them. X-Factor was effectively planned behind his back, and resurrected a character who he was told had to die and couldn't ever be brought back. Yeah, I mean I think he was totally justified in that. He wasn't the only person who contributed to making his run such a success - there were artists, co-creatives, editors - but he was the driving force behind turning what had previously been a failed relic from the Lee and Kirby era into one of the most popular comic books of all time. Like a good 70% of the most beloved parts of X-Men canon is stuff Claremont developed and established in that run, and a lot of it was from whole cloth. Plus if you read the early issues of X-Factor, they're really, really bad and a blind sop to nostalgia. Early on Beast gets captured and plastic surgeried to look like his "classic", non-furry self, because the commitment to retconning things back to how they "had been" was that extreme. Luckily, that didn't stick.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:17
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Also Cyclops leaves his wife and baby in Alaska because his ex-girlfriend was no longer dead. Cyclops was the worst.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:29
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Skwirl posted:Why is the claw metal if the only way she got it was all the metal on Wolverine was ripped away and then he broke a claw? OK, fair point to Gambit, but Storm would probably just loving shank you. She kicked Cyclops' & Callisto's asses (the latter I think in a literal knife fight) without her powers as I recall. Is she leading any teams at the moment?
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Feb 6, 2018 18:44
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Yvonmukluk posted:OK, fair point to Gambit, but Storm would probably just loving shank you. She kicked Cyclops' & Callisto's asses (the latter I think in a literal knife fight) without her powers as I recall. Storm was in charge of the Jean Grey School mutants that became the X-Men Gold group, but she stepped down because she got a bit warmonger-ey with the Inhumans.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:47
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amigolupus posted:Based on how she keeps jumping from team to team these days, I'm not sure if Kitty is a complete flake, is trying badly to emulate Logan being in all teams at once, or is just badly written. A basic part of Rachel's character that no one has mentioned is she'll wear something incredibly hosed up even if it offends or scares people if it is in service of Fashion.
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Feb 6, 2018 19:00
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irlZaphod posted:Also Cyclops leaves his wife and baby in Alaska because his ex-girlfriend was no longer dead. It was a crappy thing to do but context is king. He’s told something impossible that fucks him up emotionally six ways sideways, and has to go see what the hell is going on. He then gets pressured into leading the reunited team, saves a kid from a witchhunt, then Hank gets kidnapped and experimented on. Then they end up getting drawn into a first encounter with Apocalypse, then the truth comes out and he talks it out with Jean, before going back home and finding Maddie and Nate missing with zero leads to go on. He literally breaks down, hallucinates, rages against imaginary an Xavier and Jean, blows up his goddamn house and it’s only having Master Mold show up nearby that enables him to get his poo poo back together just in time for Warren’s ‘suicide’. Maddie doesn’t show up again until the X-Men save her from the Mauraders in San Francisco, then her and the X-Men are ‘killed’, and they don’t reunite again until she’s turned Manhatten into Hell. That was a pretty intense couple of months and no, Scott didn’t handle it brilliantly but I’d defy any holier-than-thou schmuck to keep it together in the face of all that poo poo.
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Feb 6, 2018 19:30
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Cyclops could have gone home at any time. He spends way too long in the opening issues of X-Factor prevaricating like, "jeez, I should go back to my wife and newborn son who live alone in Alaska and who I haven't communicated with in weeks, but...Jean is here, and the guys want me to be a superhero again, so...". He has a whole thing where he doesn't even want to call his wife and delays doing it until it's too late. I mean, I'm willing to chalk it up to editorial fiat making the whole thing into a mess and effectively having the result of assassinating Cyclops' character, but if you look at his actions objectively it's pretty hard to excuse him abandoning his family, even in the light of finding out that Jean was alive. Jean has a telephone. Madelyne had a newborn baby and didn't know where Scott was. That should trump everything, especially since Nathan was his kid too.
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Feb 6, 2018 19:56
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Like, the knot of retcons and fiat that is required to kick-start X-Factor effectively turns him into Deadbeat Dad Cyclops, and it's just not a good look.
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Feb 6, 2018 20:00
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Rick posted:A basic part of Rachel's character that no one has mentioned is she'll wear something incredibly hosed up even if it offends or scares people if it is in service of Fashion. Alright, I can respect that. Android Blues posted:Yeah, I mean I think he was totally justified in that. He wasn't the only person who contributed to making his run such a success - there were artists, co-creatives, editors - but he was the driving force behind turning what had previously been a failed relic from the Lee and Kirby era into one of the most popular comic books of all time. Like a good 70% of the most beloved parts of X-Men canon is stuff Claremont developed and established in that run, and a lot of it was from whole cloth. Aren't the current X-Men comics kind of treading the water at the moment? Which writer do you guys think could be the next driving force for the X-Men line, and what direction would be good to explore? I thought the hints of Mutant Culture in New X-Men was a step in the right direction, and I wonder who in editorial thought it was a good idea to stop that in favor of the stupid "No More Mutants" thing.
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Feb 6, 2018 20:15
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Yvonmukluk posted:OK, fair point to Gambit, but Storm would probably just loving shank you. She kicked Cyclops' & Callisto's asses (the latter I think in a literal knife fight) without her powers as I recall. Double-bladed lightsabers, I believe: 
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Feb 6, 2018 20:25
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It was a knife fight in the comics. Which belongs in the badass thread. 
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Feb 6, 2018 20:38
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The crowd is in awe as Beta Ray Bill defeats the Babysitter Bandit from season 1 of the Simpsons.
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Feb 6, 2018 20:41
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That scene flipping rules. I love how Storm is actually an incredibly good hand-to-hand combatant and at some points in the run, it's suggested she may actually be more skilled than Wolverine, since he relies on his regeneration and claws to even the odds, while she spends a long time leading the X-Men with no powers at all. The issue where she beats Cyclops in a duel without using her powers is similarly extremely good. Storm rules.
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Feb 6, 2018 21:51
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Also the issues where she gets Most Dangerous Gamed by three superpowered WW2 veterans who hunt criminals for sport, while lugging around an injured and unco-operative girl, and still defeats them on their own turf. Classic Storm just completely rules. Modern stories should play up her martial and survival skills a little more.
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Feb 6, 2018 21:56
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My favourite part of that is when the speedster is all "whatcha doing?" to his pal, who just barely saved him from decapitating himself running into a neck-high piece of wire Storm set up earlier. From the Callisto knife fight onwards, Storm just takes zero poo poo from anyone and it's glorious.
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Feb 6, 2018 22:23
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Storm just straight up stabs Callisto in the heart, only the Sewer Wizard saves her And yea, her beating the Murder Grandpas is amazing. Not to mention Storm nearly destroyed the world because Doom turned her to Chrome and her claustrophobia went into overdrive and she made all the weather on earth go nuts. In short, Storm is amazing.
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Feb 6, 2018 23:01
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Endless Mike posted:It was a knife fight in the comics. How Kurt? How is that a bluff? Did Storm not really catch the knife? Is the one she holding a duplicate knife she produced or some hologram? I probably shouldn't go hard on Kurt since English isn't his first language, but come on.
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Feb 7, 2018 13:37
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Storm's bluffing because the fight is meant to be a battle to the death, and Storm has sworn not to kill. From Kurt's perspective, that makes it inevitable that she'll lose, so any amount of showboating is just her trying to bluff Callisto down.
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Feb 7, 2018 13:59
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Did Storm ever sworn not to kill, or did Kurt just believe that because she's a member of the X-Men she did?
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Feb 7, 2018 17:19
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Storm specifically swore never to kill, it's one of her character beats in the early part of the run. There's a great scene in #150, when the X-Men are infiltrating Magneto's island base, where she finds Magneto sleeping in his chambers and debates whether or not she should slit his throat with a knife.  Classic comics. I love that final panel. Around this part of the run, Storm is getting more and more jaded, and it's a big shocking moment that she actually stabs Callisto in the heart in the knowledge that the Morlock healer may be able to resuscitate her - so not quite killing, but walking over the line.
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Feb 7, 2018 17:29
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I don't recall her ever having a "no kill" policy, Kurt's reasoning was simply because she was Storm. She was beautiful and a Goddess and all that. Just by her nature, she nurtured life and didn't take it, even if sometimes things or people needed to be punched or lightninged or whatever. He maybe had her up on a bit of a pedestal. It's around this time that she has a personality shift because she feels her relationship with the elements is out of whack, she starts wearing a lot of leather and adopts the mohawk and that.
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Also about that scene: it really demonstrates the power of the thought bubble. I guess the first person narration box would do some of that job in modern comics, but just as likely the intent wouldn't be conveyed with words at all. I think there's some value in Storm having this huge overwrought moral crisis, it really elevates the melodrama and makes the scene memorable.
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Feb 7, 2018 17:34
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Was anyone clamoring for vampire storm to hang around?
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Feb 7, 2018 17:48
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Rubiks Pubes posted:Was anyone clamoring for vampire storm to hang around? Dracula?
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Feb 7, 2018 17:52
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irlZaphod posted:I don't recall her ever having a "no kill" policy, Kurt's reasoning was simply because she was Storm. She was beautiful and a Goddess and all that. Just by her nature, she nurtured life and didn't take it, even if sometimes things or people needed to be punched or lightninged or whatever. He maybe had her up on a bit of a pedestal. It's around this time that she has a personality shift because she feels her relationship with the elements is out of whack, she starts wearing a lot of leather and adopts the mohawk and that. In the post above you she literally says "I swore an oath, never to kill again." That's the oath Kurt's talking about.
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AllNewJonasSalk posted:In the post above you she literally says "I swore an oath, never to kill again."
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Feb 7, 2018 17:57
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Glad I could help. But seriously, my bad. I wasn't trying to be a dick to you or anything like that. Just noting that she did swear that oath.
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Feb 7, 2018 18:06
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Rubiks Pubes posted:Was anyone clamoring for vampire storm to hang around? I have a soft spot for Bloodstorm because I have a strange fondness for Mutant X and Bloodstorm works reasonably well in the 616. I'd rather have her around than, say, Nate Grey.
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Feb 7, 2018 18:55
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Storm is really cool. I hope someone at some point does a Fraction style run except instead of it being a book revolving around Cyclops every page it revolves around Storm instead. Rubiks Pubes posted:Was anyone clamoring for vampire storm to hang around? Not really but also she's not a bad character so I don't mind her being around.
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Feb 7, 2018 19:12
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Storm had a solo series awhile ago, was it any good?
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Feb 7, 2018 19:16
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Skwirl posted:Storm had a solo series awhile ago, was it any good? It wasn't bad or anything, it was just sort of there.
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Feb 7, 2018 19:28
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Is anybody else bothered by Magneto just passing out after dinner, without even getting his robot butler or whoever to clean up his mess? I mean, he might be a genocidal maniac, but I never thought the dude was a slob.
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Feb 7, 2018 21:29
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Zombie Dachshund posted:Is anybody else bothered by Magneto just passing out after dinner, without even getting his robot butler or whoever to clean up his mess? I mean, he might be a genocidal maniac, but I never thought the dude was a slob. Look dude, Magneto doesn't give a gently caress about cleaning. He's the Master of Magnetism. He'll have Ferris clean when he wants him to.
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Feb 7, 2018 21:34
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Earlier in the issue Kitty finds his coffee at the desk of his giant world tyrannising computer installation, and is like, "it's still warm! Magneto was here recently!". I actually love the sincerity of this classic stuff, because a modern issue would absolutely have played that as a gag, like, "wha-huh, Magneto drinks coffee?!" while someone basically mugs at the camera, but in this issue it's just like, yes, he's a human person, of course he drinks coffee. He was drinking some coffee while using his giant tyranny computer. Nothing weird about that.
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Feb 7, 2018 21:38
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Oh man. X-Men: Red was fantastic. If Phoenix Resurrection sapped all hope out of you of anyone being able to write Jean as she's meant to be, this issue will  re...give...that hope.
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Feb 7, 2018 22:59
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I really enjoyed it, too. Having Jean basically rebuke Xavier's dream as too centrist was an interesting way to go, but it made sense.
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Loved X-Men Red. What do you guys think of the villain reveal at the end? I wonder if there's some kind of tie-in to Astonishing X-Men with Xavier being brought back there as well.
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