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vandalism posted:I lied about refunding this game. I kept it and installed it and played for a bit. It's very overwhelming and confusing. The game definitely feels like walking into a city market where everything is just there in front of you. My recommendation would be to follow the main quest as it takes you from place to place and see what you fancy. Mob farming, horse riding, fishing, trade routes. When you think you've found something that peaks your interest I would focus more on that and less on other stuff. Don't try to do everything as you will get overwhelmed real quick. I started off wanting to cook but now I just run around mining ore and getting lumber for the market and use the money to buy everything else I need. Money is pretty easy to obtain in this MMO.
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Revolver Bunker posted:The game definitely feels like walking into a city market where everything is just there in front of you. My recommendation would be to follow the main quest as it takes you from place to place and see what you fancy. Mob farming, horse riding, fishing, trade routes. When you think you've found something that peaks your interest I would focus more on that and less on other stuff. Don't try to do everything as you will get overwhelmed real quick. I started off wanting to cook but now I just run around mining ore and getting lumber for the market and use the money to buy everything else I need. Money is pretty easy to obtain in this MMO. it all eventually boils down to pouring money directly into your gear
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Is anyone interested in grinding sailing? We now have a GM alt parked out at port ratt, and we can take turns driving a boat back if we have a group of people with sailboats that want to level the skill. It takes about an hour of afk sailing to get back to velia/epheria with +5 green boat gear, and we can ctg and remote collect a sailboat at ratt (need to bring silver for this). All you need is an alt with some armor since you will take some hits from sea monsters and ideally your own boat so the same person doesn't have to drive every time. Note that the sailing skill is almost completely useless right now, with the only somewhat useful thing being the skill at skilled one.
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Jan 30, 2018 03:30
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gwrtheyrn posted:Is anyone interested in grinding sailing? We now have a GM alt parked out at port ratt, and we can take turns driving a boat back if we have a group of people with sailboats that want to level the skill. It takes about an hour of afk sailing to get back to velia/epheria with +5 green boat gear, and we can ctg and remote collect a sailboat at ratt (need to bring silver for this). All you need is an alt with some armor since you will take some hits from sea monsters and ideally your own boat so the same person doesn't have to drive every time. I'd love to get in on this but I haven't even started on the sailboat.
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Jan 30, 2018 10:54
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Katt posted:I'd love to get in on this but I haven't even started on the sailboat. you don't strictly need one, but you'd be tied to the schedule of someone who does. I can try to do a couple runs next weekend in the early afternoon my time so it shouldn't be too late for euro tz. I'm not free to do it this weekend since I'll be out of town. Someone else can run it if they have a boat and can get the ctg. ctg is not strictly necessary but it cuts an hour off of the trip for 3mil in guild funds
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Jan 30, 2018 10:59
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gwrtheyrn posted:you don't strictly need one, but you'd be tied to the schedule of someone who does. I can try to do a couple runs next weekend in the early afternoon my time so it shouldn't be too late for euro tz. I'm not free to do it this weekend since I'll be out of town. Someone else can run it if they have a boat and can get the ctg. ctg is not strictly necessary but it cuts an hour off of the trip for 3mil in guild funds I can stay up later too so it doesn't get too early for you. Like up to 10 in the evening UTC works.
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Katt posted:I can stay up later too so it doesn't get too early for you. Like up to 10 in the evening UTC works. That's like 2 in the afternoon for me
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gwrtheyrn posted:That's like 2 in the afternoon for me Oh.
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Jan 30, 2018 19:38
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Oh man, p2w tent is in and it is like 50 dollars but comes with a goblin  also lol at it being 50 dollars
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Jan 31, 2018 23:26
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What do the tent and the camping kits even do?
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Jan 31, 2018 23:58
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The camping kit gives you a place to buy potions at inflated prices and pay a poo poo ton more to repair also stores a few items for you. There is a weekly or daily cost to use it which goes into the millions easily.
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Feb 1, 2018 00:11
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Also lets you get pseudo-villa buffs
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Not sure if you can even get those yet since you have to buy them and it has to have a special tent.
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Third World Reggin posted:Not sure if you can even get those yet since you have to buy them and it has to have a special tent. the special tent that just got added and you posted about, 4900 pearls for an infinite tent and it lets you activate villa buffs anywhere (you still need to go and invite the villa the first time).
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Feb 1, 2018 00:17
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Apparently the hekaru quests are more efficient than the ancado dailies. I will try it out tonight, and if people are interested we can form a group to do them some time since it should be a lot faster xp than the 1 hour of sailing back from port ratt
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Feb 1, 2018 00:30
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I wanted to do some writing on the poorly understood modifier "processing efficiency" (I'm sure gwrtheyrn can add a ton to this) When you process for example iron ore into an iron shard you melt 5 ores into 1 shard. At "Artisan processing" this becomes an average of 2,5 shards per ore. (you should aim to get processing to artisan as soon as you can) Only your processing skill affects how large your yield is when processing and it's practically a hard cap at a yield of 2,5 at Artisan. What processing efficiency does is reduce the failure rate when you process items. Failing to process something doesn't mean you lose the raw material. You just have to try again. In the long run processing efficiency makes it so you can process faster. When you process stuff over night your bottleneck is your inventory space. There's a pearl shop outfit that lets you process from the bank into your inventory which increases how much you can process in a single go by a lot  At the same time I used +3 crafting clothes.  I did a very small test to see how much of a difference it actually made. Pearl clothes +3 crafting clothes Inventory weight limit: 1150 1 hour of smelting iron ore. 1755 ore smelted 860 shards as yield 7 ingots (bonus proc) 260 LT of inventory space taken up per hour of smelting This means that the inventory would be full after about 4,5 hours with a yield of 3870 iron shards, 7897 ores smelted. I then did the test again with a set that boosts inventory weight.     Increasing the weight limit by 340 LT but also reducing the processing efficiency since I'm wearing that instead of the crafting outfit. Pearl clothes Weight set Inventory weight limit: 1490 1 hour of smelting iron ore with the weight set. 1435 ore 728 shards 7 ingots 221 LT The inventory would be full after about 6,7 hours, 4877 iron shards, 9416 ores smelted This shows that for AFK processing over longer periods it's a lot more efficient to use a weight bonus set instead of crafting clothes. However since the crafting clothes make you process faster you need to find the breakpoint where weight clothes would be more efficient. The crafting set can process 7894 ores in 4,5 hours while it would take the weight set 5,5 hours to melt the same amount of ores. Which means that if in my case I AFK process for more than 5,5 hours then the weight clothes are better. The difference changes depending on your max inventory weight. If you have a way to unload your inventory once every 4,5 hours then the crafting set would again be better Again the numbers here are just with my specific weight limit and changes from player to player
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You can score an extra 100 LT weight limit from a 5 piece set bonus by buying the root treant's rings, earrings, and amulet from Grandus in calpheon. Each piece costs a few hundred thousand silver, and you can use them alongside whichever gearset you're processing with. When you've got more money than you know what to do with you can add manos golden coral belt to the mix for even more weight limit.
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I did some wood math with the weight set 1 hour 2130 maple logs 1055 plank 55 plywood 555 LT 555 LT an hour is quite a lot. I had hopes to chop wood at night but it doesn't seem possible to do for more than 3 hours AFK. I then chopped all the planks into plywood which took another 15 minutes. Resulting in a total of 295 plywood. The original value of 2130 logs is 1.382.370 silver. Once converted into plywood the value became 3.277.745 silver. 3277745-1382370= 1.895.375 silver profit for 75 minutes of chopping maple logs into plywood or 1.5 million silver an hour (before market taxes) The profit would be higher with crafting clothes and other bonuses to processing efficiency. if you can poke your character every 2 hours then chopping wood is a pretty decent AFK income. Better than fishing.
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Re: Processing poo pooKatt posted:I wanted to do some writing on the poorly understood modifier "processing efficiency" (I'm sure gwrtheyrn can add a ton to this) Katt posted:When you process stuff over night your bottleneck is your inventory space. There's a pearl shop outfit that lets you process from the bank into your inventory which increases how much you can process in a single go by a lot Katt posted:I then did the test again with a set that boosts inventory weight. Katt posted:3277745-1382370= 1.895.375 silver profit for 75 minutes of chopping maple logs into plywood or 1.5 million silver an hour (before market taxes) General rule of thumb, assuming you have equally good setups for fishing and cooking (e.g. pearl items, inventory, weight, +5 fishing, etc), processing wood is better than fishing if you have either Artisan 2 trading or a value pack active, and processing metal is only better if you have artisan 2+ trading. Fishing income these days is pretty close to 1mil/hr.
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That's all really cool info. I read somewhere that some of the new kama high grade materials only get the 2.5 proc after guru processing.
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Feb 5, 2018 20:36
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Look at you scrubs not knowing about money lizard skins.
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Third World Reggin posted:Look at you scrubs not knowing about money lizard skins. I learned to always skin my lizards because one day you're going to need to make butcher knives and that stuff is not on the market. I ran the math on the profit of crafting beer and with my cooking speed of 1.5 the profit was like 4 million an hour which doesn't feel too awesome but okay I guess.
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I would just skin lizards non stop and process their hides only once since I lost money if I processed again. I hated it since it took so much time despite the good profits. I did manage to hit 58 skinning lizards though.
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Third World Reggin posted:I would just skin lizards non stop and process their hides only once since I lost money if I processed again. No mercy  
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Katt posted:I ran the math on the profit of crafting beer and with my cooking speed of 1.5 the profit was like 4 million an hour which doesn't feel too awesome but okay I guess. That's not really that bad. I generally set my cooking profits to 0 since I primarily cook for byproducts and also fruitlessly chasing badges. Example: I assume cooking meat stew makes 0 silver so I can attribute more profit to gathering the meat and making the flour which are the real bottlenecks and which are also severely underpriced on the market. Third World Reggin posted:I would just skin lizards non stop and process their hides only once since I lost money if I processed again. Similarly, skinning lizards is the real bottleneck here, so most of the profit from processing could be attributed to the hides being hideously undervalued.
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For me, if I'm afk 1-2 hrs: Wood with processing gear 2-3: Wood with wt gear 4-6: Metal with processing 6-7: Metal with weight or flour, cloth with processing 8+ : Fish semi-afk or ~15-30mins: cook  works well enough for me
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I ran the math on processing copper ore and it came to 150k silver an hour. I didn't bother running the math on higher ores like iron or zinc. Do any ores come close to fishing income wise? Not counting making crates that is.
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Katt posted:I ran the math on processing copper ore and it came to 150k silver an hour. I didn't bother running the math on higher ores like iron or zinc. Brass, Bronze, Steel ingots all sell fine (I don't sell steel, use it for tools etc), but I do a set of bronze and brass every week or two when I have 20k of zinc and tin stored up. I run the copper 2 nights, zinc and tin the following. Or iron 2 nights and steel the next, keeping a stack of iron shards for utensils. Metal is generally a little under ~1mil / hr Processing profit is all in T1 > T3 mats with max procs. Biohack's sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G2Eq7CzrI_LFGTyVXZVTmLggrE1BomfuVueLtedrPF4/edit#gid=0
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Huskers posted:Brass, Bronze, Steel ingots all sell fine (I don't sell steel, use it for tools etc), but I do a set of bronze and brass every week or two when I have 20k of zinc and tin stored up. I run the copper 2 nights, zinc and tin the following. Or iron 2 nights and steel the next, keeping a stack of iron shards for utensils. Metal is generally a little under ~1mil / hr Is the demand good on all this stuff? The market has something like 50k of each at min price. gwrtheyrn posted:That's not really that bad. I generally set my cooking profits to 0 since I primarily cook for byproducts and also fruitlessly chasing badges. Example: I assume cooking meat stew makes 0 silver so I can attribute more profit to gathering the meat and making the flour which are the real bottlenecks and which are also severely underpriced on the market. I guess it depends how much game access you have during the day. Cooking is something that needs a poke every 20 minutes and so I can only do it after work while playing the game. So I'd be cooking instead of out fighting mobs or other active things. But as something in the background while I play FO4 cooking is excellent. Katt fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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There is no reason to list any metals below the prices on that sheet. If the price is min priced on that sheet, then you look how long the oldest listing is to see about how long it takes to sell. High level traders can basically buy an infinite quantity of any processed crate material as long as the price is right. Cedar, birch, and white cedar used to be always min priced but it seems that's no longer the case
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Feb 6, 2018 00:21
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I just list poo poo at whatever it auto fills the price in with
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What the gently caress are prognyl silver bars? My inventory space!  Oh, they have 0 weight. That's nice, I guess. Makes no drat sense, but sure.
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Futaba Anzu posted:got my first tet at 62fs  Join the Pen club you scrub
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Katt posted:
i still have asula pieces too lol  I'd guess I've put about 3 1/2 months into this game at this point so progress shot.
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So I'm trying this out again and keep disconnecting. Sometimes I'm lucky and just lag and hopefully not die. Is this an Olvia server thing or will it be like this on all servers?
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Yoshoken1 posted:So I'm trying this out again and keep disconnecting. Sometimes I'm lucky and just lag and hopefully not die. There's no noted server instability at the moment. There was some in the past few weeks though.
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I'm typically a lifeskiller and level 58 right now, but lately I've kind of been wanting to hit level 60 since lots of people seem to be saying it's easy nowadays. My gear is rather mediocre (189ap/251dp, witch), any advice on how and where to do the thing where I level pretty fast or would I need better stats for that?
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Loops posted:I'm typically a lifeskiller and level 58 right now, but lately I've kind of been wanting to hit level 60 since lots of people seem to be saying it's easy nowadays. My gear is rather mediocre (189ap/251dp, witch), any advice on how and where to do the thing where I level pretty fast or would I need better stats for that? Anywhere in valencia, you'll be fine after the changes. Fogans/Nagas are easiest, but most crowded, depending on when you play. Bashim, Cadry, Crescents are options--pros and cons to each spot. The marni stones and desert changes/nerf made exp quite easy out there. Pirates, sausan, etc are still viable as well. The best spot probably depends on your pet/maid/wt situation. Lots of options these days. Huskers fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Feb 10, 2018 |
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