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I think these two are the longest pun payoffs in the game. Victor S. Court: Victoria's escort, of course.  I mean, the story is good too, but the puns kept me chuckling. 
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I really appreciate how the climax of the story is taking place in a wintery landscape. Heck, I like it well enough when game make winter levels scary, but this is pretty ace.
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I like how even Greyarc has nothing to say about this. Epsilon Moonshade posted:I think these two are the longest pun payoffs in the game. And Victor(ia) Frankenstein. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Fine, then I'll not rest until that foul-mouthed girl falls head over heels for me!
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So the Crystalists abandoned the town to die. I wonder. These... 'asterisks'. Would they and their power even exist if the Crystals were still shining? Would that leave people powerless?
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Jan 30, 2018 06:39
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This particular revelation does a good job of establishing why Braev might despise the Crystalists, but it's insufficient. After all, the entire country of Eternia turned on the Crystalists en masse, which is unlikely if Braev's main accusation is "they condemned my entire village to die to protect the rest of you." Also, Edea's never even heard of this story. It's more a private motivation for Braev than a justification for the anti-Crystalists.
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Also the conversation with Victor hints why he is given high station in Eternia.
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They sacrificed a village to save their country, and now we're trying to sacrifice a country's well-being to save the world 
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BlackPersona posted:They sacrificed a village to save their country, and now we're trying to sacrifice a country's well-being to save the world But if we don't, the world will die and the country along with it. That being said, restoring the crystals did good things. They brought the wind and stopped the ocean from rotting stuff.
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I mean, regardless of whatever twist is going on with the Eternians and their anti-crystal thing, their conquest is pretty evil in its own right. Their whole shtick is sending a bunch of serial killers and lunatics out to oversee the conquest, so I'm not really sold on the idea that Eternia is secretly a benevolent power or something.
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Let's Learn Jobs: Ninja Ninjas are great damage dealers armed with excellent utility and style, able to nimbly evade attacks while striking multiple times per turn. They aren't useful for every fight, but when their abilities work, they work very well. Ninja is one of the original Final Fantasy jobs, originating in the first Final Fantasy as the upgraded form of the Thief. It has been a near constant since then, as the speediest damage dealer.   The distinctive headband is referred to by one source as a hitai-ate, forehead protector, but it doesn't appear to have been popularly associated with ninja until Naruto. Ninja techniques, called ninjutsu, were historically recorded on scrolls, and have become associated with the profession's mysterious and ancient allure.  Ninja are specialized individuals, focusing on speed, evasion, and strength. Their defenses involve evading attacks rather than wearing heavy loud weighty armor.  Blue are support abilities, red are skill abilities. Level 1 - Shippujinrai: Attack is done at start of turn. (16 MP) Level 2 - Transience: If evade an attack, counterattack. (Cost: 1) Level 3 - Evade 10% Up (Cost: 1) Level 4 - Utsusemi: Evade the next physical attack done against self. Level 5 - Comeback Kid: If evade an attack, physical and magical attack raised by 25%. (Cost: 1) Level 6 - Ikkikasei: Hit count raised by 100% that turn. (1 BP) Level 7 - Cleave: If defeat target with attack, chance to attack again. (Cost: 1) Level 8 - Evade 20% Up (Cost: 2) Level 9 - Shunshin: Evasion raised to max for six turns. Level 10 - Kairai: Enemy will target selected party member if doing single-target attack this turn. Level 11 - Dual Wield: Allows other jobs to equip the Ninja specialty. (Cost: 2) Level 12 - Kakuremi: Greatly lower chance to be targeted by attacks for five turns. Level 13 - Evade 30% Up (Cost: 3) Level 14 - Frenetic Fighting: Max number of attacks possible doubled, now up to 32. (Cost: 2) Using Utsusemi can trivialize several boss fights in the game. Combined with other evasion abilities, you can create a pretty lethal evasion tank.  More damage and twice the chance to show off your favorite weapon, provided you have two. The men are wearing tight-fitted clothes prioritizing ease of movement over disguise. Tiz has a red oni demon mask, signifying his passionate, emotional self, while Ringabel has a blue one, signifying a more cool, calm persona. The women, as kunoichi, are dressed in something more passable for civilian clothing, all the better to be underestimated and get the jump on their opponents.     A better view of the twin blades tucked in the back of the women's obis:  And Ringabel's blue oni mask, which he wears jauntily to the side:  Truly, he is a man of many facets, some of which are bone-headed.
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Ninja's a solid class, both as a base and Ninjutsu as a secondary command. As Greyarc said, you can combine it with Swordmaster and the Red Mage's Turn Tables ability and its own Transience and Comeback Kid to make a nigh-unhittable counterattack machine. A counterattack build doesn't require Ninja as the base class, so Swordmaster's added durability might help here. You can also combine it with Sword Magic as a secondary command and mix in the Ranger's Hawkeye and Precision with its own Frenetic Fighting support ability to make a seriously lethal striker against anything with an elemental weakness. In this case, you really want Ninja as the primary because of its inherent Dual-Wield, which saves you two Support Ability slots.
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I love the female ninja outfits. They're cute and stylish. The male ones are okay too. I like the ninja class, but it truly shines once you build your party + character around it, so you need a lot of JP. But you only need ninja level 4 to make the basic evasion tank work, and after that it'll only get better.
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Yeah, Ninja is easily one of the best Jobs in the entire game for basically being at least good at (almost) everything. The only thing keeping it from being outright broken (like some Jobs to come) is a lack of tools for magic and healing. Even then, just having the only ability in the game that forces enemies to attack a particular friendly makes it possible for you to pull off so, so much bullshit in the battles to come.
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Patter Song posted:This particular revelation does a good job of establishing why Braev might despise the Crystalists, but it's insufficient. After all, the entire country of Eternia turned on the Crystalists en masse, which is unlikely if Braev's main accusation is "they condemned my entire village to die to protect the rest of you." This is actually entirely covered in Bravely Second.
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cdyoung posted:This is actually entirely covered in Bravely Second. I beat Bravely Second. Greyarc said he wants no discussion of the sequel, so I'm trying to not bring up things from the second game. Agree with everything everyone's saying about Ninjas. Partially because I have to: you're not getting past certain late-game bosses without a character using Utsusemi. Bravely Default becomes very unforgiving of a lot of party builds, and not too far from where we currently are. It's one of my demerits to this game: it's just hard enough to be unforgiving about just having fun with the jobs system, which is not true of e.g. Final Fantasy V, this game's inspiration. Bravely Second, by virtue of being significantly easier, encourages a lot more unorthodox party builds. You're not doing a Four Job Fiesta run of Bravely Default.
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But you can change jobs whenever you please, without any penalties barring your job level and equipment, so you can make set ups designed to counter certain bosses and strategies.
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Patter Song posted:You're not doing a Four Job Fiesta run of Bravely Default. More than one person's going to take this statement as a challenge. I was originally planning to have the thread vote on which jobs I'd play. Seemed like a great way to encourage thread participation. Then I realized that would be a nightmare to deal with later on, with something like three rangers and a black mage trying to take down the final boss. This game would be great for challenge runs, but I personally don't have the patience to do them. Also, I'm buried in work at the moment, so updates may be more sporadic for a while.
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As long as you have a knight and a salvemaker, you can get through most of the game without gaining exp. A knight with the dancer's auto-buff can solo most bosses, regardless of level. Though you would need several dedicated salvemakers to be truly efficient.
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We have dancers? You mean performer or is a dancer asterisk coming up? Anyway, how would you split the asterisks for a 4JF? There are 5 "continents" with associated jobs, but only 4 crystals. Do you link the Caldislan jobs to the air crystal? That way you get a massive pool of Freelancer, Monk, White Mage, Black M, Knight, Thief, Merchant, Time M, Spell Fencer. A 5JF would work with how the asterisks are pooled, though.
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Omobono posted:We have dancers? You mean performer or is a dancer asterisk coming up? I meant the performer asterisk, sorry about that.
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Patter Song posted:I beat Bravely Second. Greyarc said he wants no discussion of the sequel, so I'm trying to not bring up things from the second game. I literally did this. Explaining the rules would require a spoiler about a postgame mechanic. But I can say Freelancer is a freebie, you then split the jobs by the Eternian Divisions. You effectively get 5 jobs and freelancer. It worked really well and was really fun to do.
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I'd be more sympathetic to Eternia's medical situation had the first boss of the game not been a honest-to-goodness White Mage. I'm assuming that the asterisks are just shortcuts to job proficiency/knowledge, and not like...mandatory to learning them. They can't be that rare either, since Eternia likes handing them out to total idiots. I get that their healing needs are met by the crystal, but you'd think they'd also have a bunch of healers on hand to help zap the sick out of people. Eternia's medical program can't just be Victor and the WHM chick we murdered, right?
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Meanwhile Victor is obviously busy and Holly had the interesting hobby of making people well so she could beat them into unhealthiness
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Going too far into the asterisks would be a spoiler, but yeah, they are basically shortcuts to job mastery and not the only way to become, for example, a white mage.
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Rainuwastaken posted:They can't be that rare either, since Eternia likes handing them out to total idiots. I'm not fully sure they have any option here, though. Exhibit A: nobody bothering to tell anything to Edea.
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Rainuwastaken posted:Eternia's medical program can't just be Victor and the WHM chick we murdered, right? We'll touch on it more later, but we did just leave the hospital and see a huge staff there. I don't think Holly specifically was involved in healing anyone other than Barras.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:We'll touch on it more later, but we did just leave the hospital and see a huge staff there. I don't think Holly specifically was involved in healing anyone other than Barras. Yeah, it's probably just me getting caught up on the dividing line between gameplay and story, where you kinda have to suspend disbelief. My monkey brain just wonders what they need the crystal for when you can glue someone's legs back on with a couple MP. 
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Rainuwastaken posted:Yeah, it's probably just me getting caught up on the dividing line between gameplay and story, where you kinda have to suspend disbelief. My monkey brain just wonders what they need the crystal for when you can glue someone's legs back on with a couple MP. I'd have to guess they need the crystal for chronic illnesses, which is what we know is going on with Edea's mom. And looking at Victoria's situation, it's not like anyone's tossing cure on her, she actually needs to be dunked in an elaborate tank for treatment. But at the end of the day, we don't really know much about Eternia's medical science and medical training.
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I always like to think that fantasy cure magic works best when the wound is recent. So you can get rad scars, but you can be obliterated and put back together with a short enough time and enough MP. And like, only on wounds, not like lupus.
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Natural 20 posted:I literally did this. Tiz: Monk, Thief, Time Mage, Pirate, Salve-Maker Agnes: White Mage, Summoner, Performer, Ninja Ringabel: Black Mage, Merchant, Red Mage Edea: Knight, Spell Fencer, Ranger, Valkyrie, Swordmaster
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More generally, how well would a one character per job run work here?
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If you could plan them out in advance, I suppose it could be done? At least so you wouldn’t wind up with stupid poo poo like a swordmaster black mage.
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Wouldn't splitting the jobs by division be something like 1: WM, BM, Knight, Monk 2: Thief, TM, Merch, Spell fencer (or whatever) 3: RM, Valkyrie, Ranger, Summoner 4: Swordmaster, Ninja, Pirate, Performer, Salve maker 5: All the other jobs
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ultrafilter posted:More generally, how well would a one character per job run work here? It works well enough. I mean, you don't need multiples of a job to do stuff.
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Entry 71: Interviews with a Vampire Victor and Victoria have been waiting for this moment.  A rematch between killers and...other killers. But this time, no one's escaping.  As before, Victor uses high level white magic and buffing abilities, while Victoria uses status effects and offensive magic. Poison immunity is still a must to counter Victoria's poison -> insta-kill combo.  Two chapters and many levels later, the party is much better equipped to take on these two.  A short time into the battle, Victoria speaks up.  Your early years may be tragic indeed! But I cannot forgive what you've done! You stole the life of a dear friend from me! Hmph, vengeance? I can relate to that. I've no interest in the grand marshal's fancy ideals. But we do agree on one thing--the need to crush the Orthodoxy. Total annihilation would be too easy on them! They'll all pay for what they did to me! Victoria loves casting Corpse in this fight, which will automatically bring the target to 0 HP after a few turns. Salve-maker's improved Phoenix Down compound makes it easy to pick downed members back up and carry on.  Once Victoria's health gets lower, Victor attempts to keep Victoria healed...  But Agnès isn't having any of it.  Vengeance for Olivia is served.   Victoria...? Victoria!Victor and Victoria give dialogue once one or the other are dead.  After Victoria's defeated, Victor starts whacking people with his staff. He's not out of MP, so this may actually be him raging over Victoria's death.  Victor is weak to dark, so this dark attack compound does extra damage. This gives Tiz something to do now that healing's not a concern.  Not too long after Victoria's defeat, Victor follows at Edea's hand.  You grant me the gift of death. I now go to be by Victoria's side. Ha ha ha... Sweet Victoria. Sweet, sweet Vic...Victoria and Victor are finally defeated.  But that's not all. Depending on who you kill first, Victor and Victoria's lines change accordingly. Here's what happens if you kill Victor first:  Victor vanishes from the arena.  And when Victoria is downed afterwards:  Not that I was fond of him, but I did need his treatments. It's better this way. Now I can finally die...finally.Once again ending the battle on a grim note. Even Victoria doesn't like Victoria. But there's also a third way to get dialogue: kill both at the same time. This requires some coordination, but with an overleveled party it's not too difficult:  R-right here...by your side. I just wanted to say...I really hate you. You wouldn't let me die, though I suffered so. But now, finally, I'm free. Free of this pain. No, I will not let you go. If I'm to die, my soul... It shall join you. Fine, I suppose there's no getting rid of you. Th-thank you, Victoria. Sweet Victoria...The two fade away, at least this time dying with some twisted measure of peace. Victoria's story further highlights that the Crystalists failed many people when they were in power. That part shouldn't be a surprise to us or the party at this point. But the church's past misbehaviors are no excuse for Victoria and Victor's present misdeeds, nor Braev allowing them such power abroad given their clear lack of self-control. Anyway,   Doot doo doo dee doo doot doot DOO!   Look at that happy camper! Tiz never lets story pathos get in the way of fun gameplay time.  Agnès took breaks from stabbing Victoria to steal two good items.  The Council of Six members get access to the best government-confiscated relics.   There's something familiar about this room. The medical tank is likely the same one mentioned in the Enigmatic Writings of D's Journal. The Writings stopped being accurate before that point, so I suppose the point is moot, now.  As the party turns to leave, Agnès pauses.  What's wrong, Agnès? Why did you stop?Edea approaches Agnès, but Ringabel holds out a hand.  Wait, Edea. Agnès needs a moment... But we're almost to the Earth Crystal. We should hurry and awaken it! Everlast Tower is just ahead once we push through Central Command! ...... Edea, my heart aches... I know what this must be like for you. I am sorry... Agnès... Agnès, hurry! If we don't awaken that crystal, the whole world will get swallowed up in darkness! We didn't come this far just to stop now, did we? There's only one to go! Awaken the Earth Crystal and it's all over! ...... Let's go, Agnès. Together. The world is waiting for us to awaken this crystal. I know I must go... I know, but-- Right! Everyone else in? ...I'll go. Of course we're coming.Agnès finally agrees, though not happily. It's not clear whether her hesitation is due to killing Victoria and Victor or her earlier misgivings, but it's more reassuring to think that someone in the party was affected by Victoria and Victor's deaths and their story. At the very least, Agnès is still coming to terms with her church being more tarnished than the unassailable perfect image from her childhood.  The exit to Everlast Tower is at the northern end of the building.  Past the Adventurer, it should be dead ahead.  Just beyond that closed door...  But as they approach, a deep, calm voice stops the group in their tracks. Who's there!? A petulant daughter's act of rebellion against the father who neglected her. What? The naive vestal's sense of justice as dictated by others, unquestioned as it is unflinching. Huh? An orphaned existence, ignorant of himself and alone in this world. Rgh! Has playing as the trusty friend filled your hollow soul, boy? Show yourself!A giant bat suddenly appears in front of them.  The party turns to look.  Wha...?   The man turns away from the party's bodies.  I am done here. I leave the rest to you, Alternis Dim.The door behind the man opens.   Your cooperation is much appreciated. Cooperation? No, it is simply a matter of friendly concern. My interest lies in the templar's-- the grand marshal's daughter. You may cast the remaining three into the dungeon if you so wish.Alternis bows. Yes, m'lord! The two newest members of the Council of Six have perished at the hands of the vestal. Tis such a pity. I never had the chance to meet them. ......A short time later...  Yes, Lord Marshal. A tragic end to tragic lives. Indeed, but the vestal and her fellow conspirators have been captured. Though the toll was heavy, we have them at last! Well done, Alternis, well done. No, this was not my doing. It was his. I see... There was one more matter, Lord Marshal. Your daughter, Edea, is in her room. And...? I simply thought you'd wish to know.Braev turns away.  And walks off without another word. The scene changes to a different part of Central Command.  Edea slowly stands up.  In a child's bedroom.  Fit for a princess. !? Is this... Is this my room? Where is everybody? Wherever they are, it probably isn't as pleasant as here.   But it's a gilded cage if there ever was one. Small but important touch: this room isn't Edea's, it's the Grand Marshal's Daughter's. Technically they're one and the same, but in spirit? Not necessarily.  Edea's not going to let some measly guards stop her from busting out! As she's about to open the door, a voice speaks from the other side.  Braev! Edea gasps and steps back to let Pops, the Templar, leader of the Council of Six, etc. enter the room.  The door shuts loudly behind Braev. So much for the exit, but maybe this is the chance we've been waiting for. ... You never learned to knock first, no matter how many times I asked. It seems like ages. What have you done with my friends? Where have you taken them? Your fellow conspirators are held in the dungeon. The dungeon? I'd feared that... So they yet live? As for the wind vestal-- Agnès!? What will you do with her? You'll bring ruin upon Eternia if you harm a hair on her head. You speak of ruin? It is you and your conspirators who nearly brought ruin upon this land. Crystalism is a cult--a tool for deceiving the masses. We can trust them with the crystals no longer. The wind vestal shall never again see the light of day. And should she persist with her uncooperative attitude... Selfish, you say? Well, they are, aren't they!? You send big men to chase down and capture one little girl. You wage war far and wide. You ravage nature. You bring suffering upon innocents. Are those your ideals, Father? What is it you're trying to do!? I don't understand! I just don't understand... I did not raise you to be such a shallow little fool! Father! Why do you say such things? The Earth Crystal is now the last of the crystals here upon Luxendarc to retain its normal state. All who seek to awaken the crystal--whether the vestal or my own flesh and blood--shall face the wrath of my blade! ...... You shall remain here while you regain your senses. And just how long am I to be your prisoner?  So much for the talk between father and daughter. Braev leaves the room, locking the door behind him. From the other side, we hear him speak to the attendants: Redouble the guard. My daughter poses a greater threat than you might think. ...... It's as I feared. Father does not understand.Edea has matured enough to question the ideas she grew up with, but the other Eternians continue to treat her as a child. Her father is no exception, especially considering his investment in this whole train wreck. Maybe we'll get another chance to clear the air with Braev, but for now, talks are over. Time for action.  Edea looks across the room, towards the window... As we switch to Braev reentering the Council of Six's meeting room.  He glances up, noticing someone already in the room. After hesitating, he walks forward and begins speaking to the man who OHKO'd the party.  DeRosso looks around. Fifteen, you say? For an immortal such as I, fifteen years seems but a fleeting moment in time. Do you recall that day? It was dreadfully cold by your reckoning, though just the sort of weather in which I delight. Upon ceding the head councilor's seat to you, I retired to my castle and partook of a goblet of steaming wine. And now, fifteen years have passed since you rid yourself of me by naming me archduke. But I ask you, are you content? ...... And you brought the crystals under the dominion of men, exploiting them to build your ideal society. ...All great deeds we failed to accomplish. You should be proud. I did it not for pride. I would have you accept my words as true, for there is no veiled reproach therein. Indeed, you have acted most valiantly, unlike we who have long done naught but watch from the shadows. ...... And yet...you have been too hasty, Braev the Templar. You just know this guy brags about his age every few minutes. No wonder Braev sent him away. But I understand the reasoning therein. And it is from such understanding that I say you have been too hasty. Though fifteen years have passed, you have changed not one bit. However, if I might respond...In keeping with Bravely Default tradition, the scene shifts away just as things might get explained. Next: Can the party escape? Can the competence of one vampire-like man make up for the tactical failings of the rest of Eternia? -- Event Viewer Main Scenario: Nescient Children The Capture of the Vestal Edea Alone Father and Daughter Reunited The Archduke & the Lord Marshal Party Chat: Let's Hurry D's Journal: Victoria the Arcanist posted:We pursued Victoria into the White Magic Circulation Hub to the right of Central Command, and found her inside a gigantic heart-like vessel, immersed in solution. It turned out she has had an incurable illness since she was a child, causing her to be shunned. She came to the attention of the templar, who brought her to Eternia for treatment. D's Journal: Victor S. Court posted:We pursued Victoria into the White Magic Circulation Hub at Central Command, and found her immersed in a solution receiving treatment. Victor began talking about the past to buy time. 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And this is the part where yelling "why don't you god drat morons explain anything" at my DS commenced in earnest.
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Killing them both at the same time was tricky to pull off, but I was surprised to see there was dialogue for it. It's also worth noting that this is the first time we see Braev's face outside of the opening video since he always has his back to the camera. Also, it's time for the best character. 
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The double kill dialogue for Victor and Victoria is a nice easter egg. Braev continues to be a moron.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:And this is the part where yelling "why don't you god drat morons explain anything" at my DS commenced in earnest.  I think this comic sums up the first half of the game rather nicely.
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