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Yeah I recently had a discussion where my boss said they don't really want me to ever work from home unless necessary. Guess I am going to have necessary reasons start coming up
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Coredump posted:My place of employment is going the opposite way. They want you here at exactly 8:00 am. You can stay late though, that's ok. Oh and NO working from home allowed. Unless something breaks... then you can work from home. And over the weekend.... Vargatron posted:"Oh you got a support call at 3:00AM, too bad we need you here on time. Or else you're going to get written up for tardiness" That director was obsessed with "the perception". And if someone was up all night doing maintenance or troubleshooting, he still wanted us there at 8am, because "the perception" is that another team will come by for help and we won't be there. Apparently, in this guy's universe, matter of factly stating "they were up until 3am, send an email" is somehow not a viable solution.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:16
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Work requires me to have a phone to the point they pay my phone bill. Otherwise I would take work email off and not respond to calls or texts after 5:00 pm.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:19
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Kashuno posted:Yeah I recently had a discussion where my boss said they don't really want me to ever work from home unless necessary. Guess I am going to have necessary reasons start coming up I don't get employers like this. It's been shown that people with flexible work times/environments get more work done, are happier, and stick around longer. Sure there are lots of jobs where you need to physically be in a certain location at certain times, but if not I don't get the reason to not offer the flexibility when possible. Yes, some folks abuse it and don't get poo poo done, but that is a management issue.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:20
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Unless you're doing assembly work on a loving line, you can do most IT jobs from home. This isn't the 1950s anymore. Aren't there studies out there that show people maybe work 3 productive hours in an 8 hours day?
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Feb 9, 2018 17:21
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Vargatron posted:Unless you're doing assembly work on a loving line, you can do most IT jobs from home. This isn't the 1950s anymore. Now that olympic curling is on, I'm at like 0.5 productive hours
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Feb 9, 2018 17:24
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Vargatron posted:Unless you're doing assembly work on a loving line, you can do most IT jobs from home. This isn't the 1950s anymore. I think it's more like 5-6 hours in an 8 hours day, but i could be wrong.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:25
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Yes, yes, but we're accounting for IT here.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:25
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CLAM DOWN posted:Now that olympic curling is on, I'm at like 0.5 productive hours Hey man, I can dig it.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:25
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Kashuno posted:Yeah I recently had a discussion where my boss said they don't really want me to ever work from home unless necessary. Guess I am going to have necessary reasons start coming up I had this discussion with my boss yesterday too. 6-12 inches of snow projected across the work day, but apparently the perception of our "internal clients" (developers) is that we need to be here in person. Despite the fact that we're sysadmins who manage virtual servers, and correspond with everyone via skype and email.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:28
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Vargatron posted:"Oh you got a support call at 3:00AM, too bad we need you here on time. Or else you're going to get written up for tardiness" Earlier in my career I was dumb enough to tolerate this. Do not.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:46
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I don't work from home often, but when I do it's because I know for sure that I will be less productive in the office than I will be at home.
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Feb 9, 2018 17:58
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It’s been like 10 years since I had a job that had rigid rules about when and how long you needed to be there, and that required more than about 6 hours on any given day, and I’ll be damned if I’m ever going back.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:01
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That's definitely one of the flaws of a smaller environment. I can't work from home often because I also help cover walk-ins and "we need help in this conference room" type stuff. If I'm up until 3am working on something, I should probably be in unless there's no chance of there being issues stemming from that work, because I am likely the only one who can handle whatever comes up. But, that being said, I can't remember the last time I was up until 3am working on something. At least 3-4 years.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:23
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I'm also of the mind that if one person is missing from work, then the whole operation shouldn't shut down. You either need to look at your internal processes or cross training.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:25
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I'm currently in the middle of establishing that the nature of my job means I can do it from almost anywhere and that I live close enough to any of the offices that it doesn't matter if i'm in or not. It's a delicate process. So far i'm trying to settle for "i'm more than happy to sit in the corner of the office that's a five minute drive from me, rather than the office that's a 20 minute drive in good weather", especially because that office is bigger and requires more hands on support anyway. Maybe soon i'll convince my boss that VPN's are not the devil and that just because someone is working from home, it doesn't mean they're not actually working. Of course as I say this we have a woman who's working from home doing nothing, so its not helping my case. Her job while she's working from home is to upload images to our website and the folder she's uploading to has remained untouched for five days. E: Also if i'm up at 3am and my boss wants me in at 9, the official response I am giving is "no", even if that means they'll want me to find a new job. I do not mind being up at 3am sorting a serious issue, I do mind them not being flexible when i've done them a favour and worked outside of my usual hours.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:32
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Vargatron posted:I'm also of the mind that if one person is missing from work, then the whole operation shouldn't shut down. You either need to look at your internal processes or cross training. Correct, my current department massively fails at the "hit by a bus" principle and if one person goes missing we're absolutely hosed. Management doesn't care, therefore I don't either!
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Feb 9, 2018 18:32
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Vargatron posted:Unless you're doing assembly work on a loving line, you can do most IT jobs from home. This isn't the 1950s anymore. I would guess that if you could get 70% productivity, you'd put everyone else out of business.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:32
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I work at a lovely MSP and am also bound by such rigid rules. It's ok though because the boss man can work from home as he sees fit.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:37
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MF_James posted:I think it's more like 5-6 hours in an 8 hours day, but i could be wrong. There is no way I have 5-6 productive hours in a day
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Feb 9, 2018 18:38
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Also RE: productive hours; depending on how on fire everything is, I can get 6 productive hours in a day. By no means is that anywhere near the average though *turns curling back on*
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Feb 9, 2018 18:40
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The number of hours you spend at peak productivity is not the same as the number of productive hours you have. People often conflate the two ideas.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:51
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CLAM DOWN posted:Correct, my current department massively fails at the "hit by a bus" principle and if one person goes missing we're absolutely hosed. Management doesn't care, therefore I don't either! Yep. We've got lots of those, in many departments. This entire site is one bad highway wreck away from being shut down. But that's okay. Just work harder, you don't need help :P
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Feb 9, 2018 18:58
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Siochain posted:Yep. We've got multiple people who can get into our password vault if they needed to, and that's about it. If our plane crashed they'd need to spend a shitload of money on some really good contractors for a while.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:04
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The company I interviewed with and who mentioned $salary in their recruitment ad is now saying that $salary is difficult and wants to know if we can “work something out” because they would be thrilled to get me in board. I said I’d also be thrilled to be on board and I look forward to hear about them working out how they will pay me $salary. Few days later the recruiter called back telling me that they really want me to join their team but $salary is a bit steep. I reminded him that they advertised with that amount, he himself told me the same and in our first interview it wasn’t a problem. Cue a lot of recruitment BS trying to get me to take a job for less money than I’m earning now. quote:- Cool and innovative jobs usually pay less I told him that I’m asking for market average and lots of companies advertise with these numbers. It’s nowhere near crazy levels of pay for my skills/experience and I know plenty of people who make quite a bit more than I do in all different types of industry. Just by searching for 5 minutes I found multiple roles with said salary. All expenses like training are fully tax deductible for employers so it literally costs them jack poo poo. I’ve got a call scheduled for next week to hear what they think but I’m fully expecting them to not make an offer after all or lowball me.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:13
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I have been woken up at midnight to fix some serious issue. I have 0 problems with that. It comes with the job. So far, I've been allowed to take the next day off. Honestly, my biggest fear is not being able to wake up when i'm being called. The office is a 20 minute drive with the bicycle. So I don't mind coming in to the office. I like the commute when it's good weather. Here we have a policy of "wfh if needed."
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Feb 9, 2018 19:14
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LochNessMonster posted:I’ve got a call scheduled for next week to hear what they think but I’m fully expecting them to not make an offer after all or lowball me. gently caress those people and gently caress that recruiter. Those points you quoted are nonsense. Reminds me of poo poo I'd hear while working at an MSP. "Companies pay internal people way more than they are actually worth." No, if they've agreed to pay them an amount then they are by definition worth that amount. MSPs are just notorious for underpaying.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:22
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LochNessMonster posted:The company I interviewed with and who mentioned $salary in their recruitment ad is now saying that $salary is difficult and wants to know if we can “work something out” because they would be thrilled to get me in board. Same thing happened to me. the 1st AD the recruiter sent was $salary. And after the 1st couple of interviews went well. The recruiter let me know that the salary changed. And it was 5K less. I insisted that I wanted the 1st shown salary and the recruiter managed to get that after a few back and forths. All I can say is, Stand your ground. During the last interview with the company, I also managed to get them to take over my 10K study debt from the previous company. Don't stop fighting for it.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:29
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LochNessMonster posted:The company I interviewed with and who mentioned $salary in their recruitment ad is now saying that $salary is difficult and wants to know if we can “work something out” because they would be thrilled to get me in board. Those "certs" they are investing in you are required to maintain their partnerships with vendors and is not geared for your best interest. Don't bulge. I assume you are younger. Companies are going to attempt to shark you because you don't know any better. Good things are going to happen when this becomes a habit.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:38
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"There is a shortage of qualified people who are willing to work for peanuts" 
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Feb 9, 2018 19:39
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Pre-registered for Ignite.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:45
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cheque_some posted:I have some experience with AWS, but I've just started looking at Azure, and took a training class. My initial impression is that Azure has a lot of really cool PaaS stuff that AWS doesn't have, but their IaaS is just kind of "eh". Disclaimer: I have a huge bias here because I work for AWS, but Microsoft shops are wildly successful on AWS. I will concede that MSSQL RDS isn’t as performant as it could be, but once you get past “we are a Microsoft shop so we should be on Azure”, AWS has plenty to offer. We can and do run massive MS workloads that can also take advantage of non-traditional MS services like Lambda, DynamoDB, etc. But you should probably stay with O365 for email if you like your Outlook.
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Feb 9, 2018 20:02
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Agrikk posted:Disclaimer: I have a huge bias here because I work for AWS, but Microsoft shops are wildly successful on AWS. I will concede that MSSQL RDS isn’t as performant as it could be, but once you get past “we are a Microsoft shop so we should be on Azure”, AWS has plenty to offer. Azure has Functions and CosmosDB e: AWS lambda did get .NET Core support fairly recently, so that's cool. Agrikk posted:But you should probably stay with O365 for email if you like your Outlook. Azure excels at providing value added SaaS services to O365 users, and then once you're there, why not also use this IaaS and PaaS services. I have a little bias because my professional experience is all with Azure, and outside of some labbing, haven't done a lot with AWS.
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Feb 9, 2018 20:09
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LochNessMonster posted:The company I interviewed with and who mentioned $salary in their recruitment ad is now saying that $salary is difficult and wants to know if we can “work something out” because they would be thrilled to get me in board. Don't back down. If it helps, imagine that this is a test. They want to know how you'll react if you're working with a vendor who promises one thing and then starts coming up with excuses.
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Feb 9, 2018 20:17
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Nuclearmonkee posted:Just lol if you don't have to support numerous sites that either built their internal network out of a huge public range or selected their networks via a drunken monkey armed with darts and an appropriately labeled dart board. Just lol if you don't build your LAN segments from 11.0.0.0/8
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Feb 9, 2018 20:56
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CrazyLittle posted:Just lol if you don't build your LAN segments from 11.0.0.0/8 Found the Lockheed Martin employee.
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Feb 9, 2018 20:59
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LochNessMonster posted:The company I interviewed with and who mentioned $salary in their recruitment ad is now saying that $salary is difficult and wants to know if we can “work something out” because they would be thrilled to get me in board. "the sector you work in is notorious for paying way too much" If the whole sector is paying that then it's not paying way too much, it's paying the market rate. gently caress that poo poo and gently caress that recruiter for trying to get you less money
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Feb 9, 2018 21:03
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Kashuno posted:"the sector you work in is notorious for paying way too much" lol 
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Feb 9, 2018 21:04
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Yeah it sounds like somebody else is trying to get their business off you rather than get you a salary you deserve. gently caress that.
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"recruiters are known for being full of poo poo"
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