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RagnarokZ posted:What the hell is the point of electric handbrakes? Aren't one of the primary purposes of the handbrake to be an emergency brake in case of MASSIVE systems failure? The primary purpose of the parking brake is to hold the vehicle in place when parked, thus the name. The idea of an "emergency brake" hasn't really been a meaningful thing since dual-circuit brake systems became standard (seems to be the '60s-70s depending on manufacturer and region). Total brake failure pretty much can't happen on anything less than half a century old. If you've ever tried to stop a vehicle from a meaningful speed with the handbrake you know how futile that idea is anyways. Most people would either get no braking force or put themselves in to a spin. Electric parking brakes offer three major advantages over mechanical parking brakes: 1. They're automatically engaged and disengaged, so they don't get ignored in to failure on pretty much every single car with an automatic transmission. 2. The controls can be placed anywhere with no concern about routing a physical cable. 3. They're self-adjusting. The only real downside is exactly as demonstrated, they're not friendly to hooning.
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Is this the last one of the of season? As for the electronic parking brake some cars have incline sensors that will hold the car in position on a hill at a stoplight.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Is this the last one of the of season? Still an episode next week
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Electric handbrakes are poo poo. Overcomplicated solution to a problem no-one asked to be solved. Hate the loving things. That bit where the Porsche and Alfa had a sulk at being asked to rag about in the dirt... I completely believe that happened, and that's a proper "not fit for purpose" scenario. Jesus.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Is this the last one of the of season? Nah. I know I've seen footage of at least 1 episode they haven't shown, the one with Hammond on the motorcycle.
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What exactly did he expect to happen with the brake? Does it really go full lock? I had a Lincoln years ago where if you pulled it while moving, it would do like 1/3 brake and then more if you pulled it again. When stopped, it would just go full lock.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Is this the last one of the of season? Some cars don’t even require you to be on a slope.
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InitialDave posted:Electric handbrakes are poo poo. Overcomplicated solution to a problem no-one asked to be solved. Hate the loving things. Could be worse, could be that push pedal + pull handle combo Mercedes Benz used.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Could be worse, could be that push pedal + pull handle combo Mercedes Benz used. Push button now. There are a lot of things that can go wrong with parking brakes. 1) Periodic adjustment, lube, etc. not done. 2) They are somewhat complicated when doing a rear brake job. 3) Rust belt poo poo. 4) No one knows what they are for. Add it all up, and yep...here's the current situation.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Could be worse, could be that push pedal + pull handle combo Mercedes Benz used.
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Was that the same place where hammond was lost back in top gear? Lone Wolf Mountain apparently?
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Colostomy Bag posted:3) Rust belt poo poo. Jusupov posted:Was that the same place where hammond was lost back in top gear?
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That Tesla review was pretty excellent
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CornHolio posted:That Tesla review was pretty excellent It was. I’ve enjoyed this whole season more than the last, and more than many of the TG seasons prior. They've become a little more relaxed and seem to be in a good rhythm where the jokes land, the visuals are perfect, and even the scripting seems natural and, occasionally, even unscripted.
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RagnarokZ posted:What the hell is the point of electric handbrakes? Aren't one of the primary purposes of the handbrake to be an emergency brake in case of MASSIVE systems failure? The "major" issue is that without electricity you can't disengage them, making it impossible to move a car with a dead battery. And of course no fun with drifting in snow. Decius fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Feb 10, 2018 |
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Handbrakes are not an extra emergency brake. You are not orbiting a spaceship around the moon. If both your front and rear systems fail downshift and sacrifice the engine. If that fails, crash. Also why are you driving so fast.
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Elephanthead posted:Handbrakes are not an extra emergency brake. You are not orbiting a spaceship around the moon. If both your front and rear systems fail downshift and sacrifice the engine.
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Elephanthead posted:Handbrakes are not an extra emergency brake. You are not orbiting a spaceship around the moon. If both your front and rear systems fail downshift and sacrifice the engine. If that fails, crash. Also why are you driving so fast. Never lift, bruh.
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So those tailgates, is it not possible to reach up and close them manually?
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CornHolio posted:So those tailgates, is it not possible to reach up and close them manually? The motor fights you. My dad bought an Acura RDX a few months ago and no, you can't just push the tailgate down.
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CornHolio posted:That Tesla review was pretty excellent
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I feel like the season was weaker up until the gimmicky unscripted ep, but has been very strong since.
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I like my electric parking brake. It disengages automatically when I drive away. For some reason, VW figured it only needs to engage automatically when I have that stupid braking assistant enabled (it keeps brake pressure up when you brake to a standstill, so you can take the foot of the pedal), which is a shame. Because I don't see how they're related.
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wolrah posted:The primary purpose of the parking brake is to hold the vehicle in place when parked, thus the name. The idea of an "emergency brake" hasn't really been a meaningful thing since dual-circuit brake systems became standard (seems to be the '60s-70s depending on manufacturer and region). Total brake failure pretty much can't happen on anything less than half a century old. Hill starts and parallel parking (on a hill) too. I get that a car with an electronic parking brake would likely have some sort of hill-start assist, but those have timers, which could cause problems in traffic. The HSA on my car is pretty lovely, but my car is also not nice, so that might be part of it. My previous car was a manual, and parking without the handbrake was impossible.
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The old Subaru hill-holder clutch was a godsend when learning I was learning to drive stick.
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Toe Rag posted:Hill starts and parallel parking (on a hill) too. I get that a car with an electronic parking brake would likely have some sort of hill-start assist, but those have timers, which could cause problems in traffic. The HSA on my car is pretty lovely, but my car is also not nice, so that might be part of it. My previous car was a manual, and parking without the handbrake was impossible. I learned to drive stick on a Ranger with a pedal-operated parking brake, so that's never really even entered my mind. I can see how a handbrake could make those things a bit easier but is it really that big of a deal? Definitely correct on the hill start assist though, my 2002 BMW, 2013 Kia, and 2015 Ford all have it even though all of those do have traditional cable-operated handbrakes. I guarantee anything with an electronic parking brake has it.
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New Subaru STIs have an actual handbrake and hill start. Works really well actually.
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As someone who hates SUVs with a fiery passion that episode was cathartic. They are poo poo at absolutely everything except getting sold.
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Eifert Posting posted:As someone who hates SUVs with a fiery passion that episode was cathartic.
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Eifert Posting posted:As someone who hates SUVs with a fiery passion that episode was cathartic. Yeah, nothing on that show was an SUV.
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Eifert Posting posted:As someone who hates SUVs with a fiery passion that episode was cathartic. Definitely this kind, which is a goddamn plague here in LA. Though their shittiness doesn’t matter since not a single one has ever gone more off-road than Laurel Canyon. Apparently every rich family needs a 7-seat people mover, and it needs to be a $100k+ luxury vehicle so you can see the badges. I’m sure there are decent SUV’s, but I’m guessing Porsche doesn’t make them and you don’t need them anyway in a giant city where it never snows.
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Xealot posted:Definitely this kind, which is a goddamn plague here in LA. Though their shittiness doesn’t matter since not a single one has ever gone more off-road than Laurel Canyon. Apparently every rich family needs a 7-seat people mover, and it needs to be a $100k+ luxury vehicle so you can see the badges. Actually, the Macan GTS and Cayenne S hybrid are probably the two best SUVs I’ve driven in the last few years. The idea that all SUVs are as capable off-road is misguided. After all, didn’t the Suburban invent the genre? That’s hardly a rock hopper.
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People think that AWD/4WD means offroad not that it is there to keep the thing stable on icy roads and a bit of mud maybe. The episode was good for showing this.
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On a regular car, it is. But if you're going to ape off road styling elements and higher ride height, you need to make it work off road. And the drivetrain certainly shouldn't throw a hissy fit at being asked to do some romping about in loose dirt, or get up a slope with a very light trailer.
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InitialDave posted:On a regular car, it is. But if you're going to ape off road styling elements and higher ride height, you need to make it work off road. You know this isn’t a documentary, right?
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The thing that is being missed IMO is that a F150 Raptor costs half as much as the SUVs they had 
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drgitlin posted:You know this isn’t a documentary, right?
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InitialDave posted:I don't think they faked that, though. Bear in mind those three were probably on sticky rubber because they were the stupidly powerful performance models.
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