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No no guys you see Zoe is actually totally balanced and fine because
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 19:36 |
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Luna Was Here posted:No no guys you see Zoe is actually totally balanced and fine because nobody is saying that but you can build up your strawman if you want
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 19:37 |
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After playing on and off since season 2 I've decided to actually take ranked seriously and try to claw my way to silver but it's really loving hard. I've been maining top yorick and my cs/damage/kda/objective stats seem to be decent but there's only so much I can do when my mids or adcs go 0/5 in the first 15 minutes. Even my mobalytics (for whatever that's worth) stats show I should be considerably higher compared to the average. Can I get some suggestions from my op.gg? yes this is brought to you by a several-loss tilt day.
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 19:49 |
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Yeah, but Zoe has spears that go around corners and minion waves. She's not exactly the same, but she is just as frustrating. More importantly, she's in the game now and old nidalee isn't
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 19:49 |
I've read this exact same bizarre and pointless conversation 20 times on reddit A: Zoe is busted. She plays like busted rear end poke champs which all had their poke severely tuned down B: Zoe isn't ACTUALLY like nidalee because nidalee can heal and turn into a cat A: Yes, but Zoe CAN TP back to lane at 2:45 for no reason B: But Nidalee had athene's unholy grail, C (Me, the wise keven): Who cares all of this is beside the actual point which is that extremely low CD high damage poke is unhealthy for the game and unfun for everyone, even the pokers team who are relegated to clearing waves and anti-engage instead of getting to do anything. Why do you you want to argue over if pounce was more imba than getting a hexbelt passive.
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 20:01 |
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just dodge the paddle star fucker
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 20:27 |
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I must be broke brain cause my problem with Zoe is all about her E. She has a cc that goes farther through walls, if she misses she isn't really punished because it leaves behind that big circle that's a good zoning tool. The cleanse change helps though.
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 20:38 |
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the problem with zoe is her E and that's why they're nerfing it the cooldown is just way, way too short and sets up her Q way too often
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 20:56 |
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I haven't seen a zoe in months because I ban it literally every single game no matter what. ESPECIALLY if I see someone on my own team hover it
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 21:02 |
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acumen posted:After playing on and off since season 2 I've decided to actually take ranked seriously and try to claw my way to silver but it's really loving hard. I've been maining top yorick and my cs/damage/kda/objective stats seem to be decent but there's only so much I can do when my mids or adcs go 0/5 in the first 15 minutes. Even my mobalytics (for whatever that's worth) stats show I should be considerably higher compared to the average. Can I get some suggestions from my op.gg? yes this is brought to you by a several-loss tilt day. League is a team based game that has multiple factors based on the overall map presence, pressure, and awareness. You winning lane only has an effect on the game as a whole if you actually do something from it. If you won lane, go and help somebody else win theirs. Go help your jungle invade and take away presence from the enemy jungle and put vision down. Yorick's entire gimmick is split pushing, but your team needs to be aware / okay of that happening because if you split pushing is countered by the other team just taking objectives like Rift, Baron, Dragon, Killing the rest of your team and getting towers. Then what's the point of you?
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 21:29 |
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So... macro work. I do usually say "hey guys I'm yorick so just hold them off and don't die while I push forever" but I either have a team that understands this (and we win) or a team that still tries to engage or gets caught out (and we lose). It's this sort of binary result that's causing the frustration since it feels like I can't really influence anything. I've also been playing with the mindset that my teammates are generally morons and when they make bad engages I just ignore them and go back to punching towers. Should I be trying to bail them out of these even if they're obviously lost causes? And what's my course of action if my team doesn't want to take advantage of a split pusher? Just acquiesce and aram it with them?
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 22:35 |
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acumen posted:So... macro work. I do usually say "hey guys I'm yorick so just hold them off and don't die while I push forever" but I either have a team that understands this (and we win) or a team that still tries to engage or gets caught out (and we lose). It's this sort of binary result that's causing the frustration since it feels like I can't really influence anything. I've also been playing with the mindset that my teammates are generally morons and when they make bad engages I just ignore them and go back to punching towers. Should I be trying to bail them out of these even if they're obviously lost causes? And what's my course of action if my team doesn't want to take advantage of a split pusher? Just acquiesce and aram it with them? Dump maiden in a lane and go fight with your team, either the other team ignores the maiden and you get towers or someone goes to kill the maiden and you get a numbers advantage fight and get towers. Yorick has to be flexible about where he kills the towers and if you're really rolling and fed it's very possible to 1v3. You can even 1v5 if you're ultra fed and can use the maiden in the fight.
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 22:38 |
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If you want to have any fun with League in season 8 the #1 thing is to never play top lane. It's pointless garbage and you have almost zero influence on the outcome of games unless you completely stomp or feed unbelievably hard. Yorick is like the worst version of this because he pretty much wins lane by default but is a poo poo tier teamfighter unless he's so ahead that maiden just solos people.
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 22:42 |
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I don't usually let the ol ball & chain go off on her own as I like dropping her in to stomp a teamfight (which I usually contribute pretty well to). I will try doing that instead. My mobalytics analysis sorta reflects your guys' comments - increase my kp%: ...or I guess just choose a different role and champ
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 22:48 |
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i would not try to team fight on yorick without the maiden, so much of his damage is locked behind it especially if you're fighting at a neutral objective where you can't raise ghouls.
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 22:53 |
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Also you shouldn't get tilted when your ADC goes 0/5 while you are in Bronze and immediately get defeated because you aren't fighting against SKT or TSM or anybody who actually understands how to take advantage of their ....well....advantage. They'll throw. Their macro game will most likely suck butt, or they'll just farm kills while you take towers, dragons, and all of a sudden you take baron after a sloppy teamfight where they don't know how to close a game and suddenly you win.
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 23:01 |
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acumen posted:So... macro work. I do usually say "hey guys I'm yorick so just hold them off and don't die while I push forever" but I either have a team that understands this (and we win) or a team that still tries to engage or gets caught out (and we lose). It's this sort of binary result that's causing the frustration since it feels like I can't really influence anything. I've also been playing with the mindset that my teammates are generally morons and when they make bad engages I just ignore them and go back to punching towers. Should I be trying to bail them out of these even if they're obviously lost causes? And what's my course of action if my team doesn't want to take advantage of a split pusher? Just acquiesce and aram it with them? I'm not going to say this is the only thing that's going on in your games, but you also as a splitpusher need to learn how to read team comps and know if it's even possible for your team to hold them off or take advantage of you. Sometimes you're going to get teams that just don't have the tools to wave clear or disengage to stop the enemy team from running them over and telling them "hey guys I'm yorick so just hold them off and don't die while I push forever" means that they just have to back off wherever the enemy goes and give up objectives.
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# ? Feb 9, 2018 23:07 |
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Thanks folks I'll keep this advice in mind and try to move forward with it. Sounds like I have the deck slightly stacked against me for easy climbing though so I'll start looking into jungling or support.
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 00:23 |
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In Dota at least, and also what I've found from playing a lot of urgot, split pushing and ignoring your team is the best way to force a win. It is incredibly frustrating to the other team if they're winning fights and getting objectives but every time they do you knock down another tower, and eventually the inhibitor. Crushing your lane opponent also helps especially in lower skill levels. Try Illaoi, I have pretty much the same style as you do and I find her very easy to play and win. Though I haven't tried Yorick yet. Urgot is my favorite by far because it's pretty hard to escape him compared to Illaoi, but he isn't as good at the 2v1, is weaker early, and it's a long learning process to get a feel on what you can and cant get away with.
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 00:51 |
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Splitpushing is an incredibly effective strategy all the way up into, like, mid/high Diamond. Most teams simply aren't coordinated enough to deal with the enormous pressure you generate, and you often gain access to jungle resources at the same time which pushes you further and further ahead. For top, I'd say that the best splitpushers up to that MMR are Jax, Fiora, Yorick, Tryndamere, and Nasus. Yorick has a slight edge because his laning phase isn't a nightmare against most matchups (compared to, say, Trynd/Nasus, who can get hard abused by certain champs), he spikes super hard off of a single item (Trinity), and he clobbers towers faster than anyone except a high-stack Nasus.
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 01:32 |
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riot save my wife
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 01:57 |
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Wait so should I be split pushing or teamfighting? I think I'm more confused than before now. Also please teach me because it's not doing much in bronze.
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acumen posted:Wait so should I be split pushing or teamfighting? I think I'm more confused than before now. Also please teach me because it's not doing much in bronze. Take my posts with a grain of salt because I havent played ranked yet, I'm only level 14. But split pushing seems like a perfectly legitimate way to win games at my level and reportedly at higher levels too. If you're interested in staying top, I would recommend watching some SoloRenektonOnly, he explains his strategies well and had a billion videos on a lot of different Champs.
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:07 |
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The real answer for getting out of bronze imo is get you the man who can do both
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:07 |
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Sorry for double post but darius is legit incredible for bronze because he can splitpush very well and then when the other team does the bronze thing where they send 4 people to you at the same time you get to just kill them
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acumen posted:Wait so should I be split pushing or teamfighting? I think I'm more confused than before now. Also please teach me because it's not doing much in bronze. If you get first tower, go puah down the other outer towers. Preferrably mid but if your bot has been doing well forcing bot tower and claiming drag is good too. I hold maiden for these because bot sometimes but ESPECIALLY mid will rarely go down without some big old fight. Ideally what you should do with Yorick is try and distract them in other lanes, wait for minions to run into a tower in another lane, TP to the minion being fired on, and then Q+Demolish the tower to smithereens. In my experience in high Bronze/mid Silver land its much better to keep Maiden on hand for if things get nasty because people will straight up ignore her in a big teamfight and its hilarious. Either that or summon her when you KNOW you've got a lot of time to push because she can help ypu hard shove a wave and (usually) take a tower after you've completed Triforce.
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acumen posted:Wait so should I be split pushing or teamfighting? I think I'm more confused than before now. Also please teach me because it's not doing much in bronze. basically just think of every champion as exerting some pressure wherever they are on the map. if there are 5 people bot, that is a lot of pressure bot, but it is 0 pressure top since it will take them forever to get there. you want your moves to serve some sort of purpose. Nightgull posted:Take my posts with a grain of salt because I havent played ranked yet, I'm only level 14. But split pushing seems like a perfectly legitimate way to win games at my level and reportedly at higher levels too. If you're interested in staying top, I would recommend watching some SoloRenektonOnly, he explains his strategies well and had a billion videos on a lot of different Champs. split pushing is good cause if you are stronger than the other guy they need to send 2 people to deal with you, and your team can usually win 4v3 fights. if the enemy sends less than 2 people to deal with you, then you get free towers. as long as you do not die for no reason it is an easy way to exert a lot of pressure on the map
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:13 |
Also having maiden will straight up let you 2v1 the toplaner + jungler if theyre bad, just make sure you land your E because thats the main way of redirecting the maiden in a fight.
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:13 |
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Just had another loss while crushing my own lane and towers everywhere but instead of getting objectives while I punch inhibs down the rest of my team is diddling themselves in the jungle or shotgunned all over the map. What's the best way to upload a replay? I'd really like to know how to salvage these.
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acumen posted:Just had another loss while crushing my own lane and towers everywhere but instead of getting objectives while I punch inhibs down the rest of my team is diddling themselves in the jungle or shotgunned all over the map. What's the best way to upload a replay? I'd really like to know how to salvage these. Download the replay in the client, go to your My Documents/League of Legends/Replay folder, and upload the appropriate .rofl file to something like mixtape.moe or any other file sharing service.
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 03:40 |
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acumen posted:Should I be trying to bail them out of these even if they're obviously lost causes? I think if you can reliably get to a point where you can 1v2 splitpushing and keep pressure on, and know to just back up and sit in a bush to avoid gankers, then you're probably just fine ignoring your team. However, people talk a lot about how lower elo players take fights they shouldn't, even though they're doomed/bad/etc. I think that gets hammered in pretty intensely, but the converse of that is that a lot of lower elo players don't take commit to fights that they really, really should because they get in the mindset that they're 'behind and need to farm it out' or what have you. Although it is true that a lot of low elo fights are bad, the other team is going to play the teamfight, even if it's advantageous for them, just as poorly, and a significant portion of the time will overchase/put someone in a position to get burst when they shouldn't. The mindset of 'oh, my teammates are taking a bad fight' can become a self-fulfilling prophecy - you see the engage, don't go, your teammates die, and you conclude that it was a bad fight, when in reality if you had committed to it as well it very well may have been a good one. I realize this isn't necessarily providing a more clear rule to follow, but I think it's a really important thing to think about. I've played a few smurfs supporting through silver/gold and I'll take engages or all-ins that would work in plat+ because everyone else commits as well, but no one follows and then concludes that it's a 'lost cause'. They're definitely are some fights that are lost causes, and it's good to know when you can get more done just staying to split push, but I would look back at some of the teamfights your team loses and see if there might have been opportunities for you to pick people off, or take advantage of the chaos. Part of the problem, of course, is that it's sort of a blind leading the blind scenario - if you don't know when to fight, and your teammates don't either, then it's really hard to correct this sort of thing. I think it's also a problem that persists from elo to elo -- whereas for me, silver players miss a ton of kill opportunities in lane, I'm sure a diamond+ player would see just as many missed opportunities in my play. Sorry that there's no real solution here (a replay review would probably help) but it's worth being aware of. e: Also, on a different note, as a top laner you can make a lot of pro-active plays aside from splitpushing: 1. invade the enemy jungle 2. roam down mid and try and gank after shoving in your lane 3. look for 2v2s that you can turn into 3v2s in the bot lane, or ganks you can turn and so on. I haven't played in Bronze for a while, but games in gold/plat are definitely enough of a shitshow to have a bunch of opportunities like that foutre fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Feb 10, 2018 |
# ? Feb 10, 2018 03:54 |
Hello thread I'm playing this stupid game again and I've been spamming Brand support and I have a general laning question: If I'm playing against a tank support who's playing up and outside the minion wave, is it mana/opportunity cost optimal to take a free combo if it's there or should I just ignore them and focus on hitting the enemy ADC with more Ws? Also if there's any extra-cheesy poo poo to do on that champ/role please tell me
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Vermain posted:Download the replay in the client, go to your My Documents/League of Legends/Replay folder, and upload the appropriate .rofl file to something like mixtape.moe or any other file sharing service. hm okay let's try this, have at me: https://my.mixtape.moe/ypfpqj.rofl
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 04:41 |
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Hello thread I'm playing this stupid game again and I've been spamming Brand support and I have a general laning question: If I'm playing against a tank support who's playing up and outside the minion wave, is it mana/opportunity cost optimal to take a free combo if it's there or should I just ignore them and focus on hitting the enemy ADC with more Ws? just auto these guys at first, free auto harass is very underrated... imo, only go for full combos if you have kill potential or can force something -- if you drop a full combo on the guy, and only do like 20% of his HP(not going to happen but just giving a comically exaggerated example) and then he turns around and all ins you, what skills can you use to defend yourself? if you want to slug a guy with an e-q or something though just to really show him the business go ahead
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 04:46 |
Also literally loving nobody has resists thanks to the new rune system so autos + getting the creep wave to harass them is insanely free(tm) damage
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 05:57 |
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acumen posted:hm okay let's try this, have at me: https://my.mixtape.moe/ypfpqj.rofl This'll be a bit of a train of thought analysis. I can't give too much matchup specific advice or anything for top, so I'll just note general macro stuff when I see it:
Vermain fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Feb 10, 2018 |
# ? Feb 10, 2018 06:21 |
pog boyfriend posted:just auto these guys at first, free auto harass is very underrated... imo, only go for full combos if you have kill potential or can force something -- if you drop a full combo on the guy, and only do like 20% of his HP(not going to happen but just giving a comically exaggerated example) and then he turns around and all ins you, what skills can you use to defend yourself? if you want to slug a guy with an e-q or something though just to really show him the business go ahead Thank you my friend this makes sense
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 06:25 |
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That's a ton of good info Vermain. I'll review it all with my replay later - this is what I need, thank you.
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 06:31 |
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Had a 1v4 quadra on Xin Zhao today, poo poo on a Zoe with a 13-1 Fizz, then after that game got a hextech kog shard from a revel orb. It was a Good Day of League.
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# ? Feb 10, 2018 06:59 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 05:26 |
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League mini has a rammus ball / Leona hook / zilean ult(for you and a teammate) hero now and league really needs this imho
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