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Pablo Gigante posted:Except Han in this case is the Falcon I'm not talking about the character arc of the Falcon, I mean from a simple set/art design perspective. The new design is just horrifically boring and staid. In the original, the pipes and wiring snaking around, the grime, the worn in look of all of the finishes give it life.
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I think it looks nice. It is somewhat amusing that the Falcon changed more in 10 years than X-Wings, TIE Fighters and Star Destroyers changed in 30, but that's more down to boring design work in the sequels rather than going too far here.
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Feb 9, 2018 23:08
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Milky Moor posted:I always thought that the Falcon was never a particularly nice ship. I never thought Han won a nice ship from Lando which he then proceeded to run into the ground. I figured the ship had sentimental value for Lando or something and that winning it from him was a dick move. Well I guess you were wrong lol.
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Feb 9, 2018 23:10
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Papercut posted:I'm not talking about the character arc of the Falcon, I mean from a simple set/art design perspective. The new design is just horrifically boring and staid. In the original, the pipes and wiring snaking around, the grime, the worn in look of all of the finishes give it life. What you’re describing is basically a character arc
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Feb 9, 2018 23:10
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I mean the movie is probably gonna suck but for reasons other than a spaceship changed over time.
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Papercut posted:I'm not talking about the character arc of the Falcon, I mean from a simple set/art design perspective. The new design is just horrifically boring and staid. In the original, the pipes and wiring snaking around, the grime, the worn in look of all of the finishes give it life. What you're describing is the character of a setting. I think the movie looks boring, too, but Pablo is right: the Falcon does not look the way it does in the OT to 'give it life,' its appearance is motivated by the themes of the story and as a reflection of the characters who inhabit it. There is no reason that the Falcon should look exactly the same in a story all about a couple of youngblood rogues who are 'totally rad.'
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Feb 9, 2018 23:16
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You think Han's car never had new car smell?
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Disney revamped the Falcon because they thought the dirty old one wouldn't sell enough toys viral spiral fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Feb 10, 2018 |
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Feb 9, 2018 23:54
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Pablo Gigante posted:I hate to quote SMG but Yeah, the level of naivity in some of these reactions is seriously weird. Like I can get having some difficulty with symbolism, but not comprehending the passage of time makes me concerned for people's mental health.
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Feb 10, 2018 00:00
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Hodgepodge posted:Yeah, the level of naivity in some of these reactions is seriously weird. Like I can get having some difficulty with symbolism, but not comprehending the passage of time makes me concerned for people's mental health. I don't get how this all happened a long time ago when everything looks like it's the future.
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Feb 10, 2018 00:23
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People aren't happy with green screens They aren't happy with real sets. Man I don't know.
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Feb 10, 2018 00:24
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euphronius posted:People aren't happy with green screens The next movie should just be a recording of the table read.
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Feb 10, 2018 00:28
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K. Waste posted:What you're describing is the character of a setting. I think the movie looks boring, too, but Pablo is right: the Falcon does not look the way it does in the OT to 'give it life,' its appearance is motivated by the themes of the story and as a reflection of the characters who inhabit it. There is no reason that the Falcon should look exactly the same in a story all about a couple of youngblood rogues who are 'totally rad.' The issue is that everything else is bizarrely identical. Chewbacca's got roughly the same bandolier, Calrissian has roughly the same flamboyant blue cape, etc. The logic of the ship is not being applied consistently. Compare that with the costume changes between Lucas' films:   Or, for a subtler example, see the degradation of Obiwan's Jedi outfit over time in the desert: 
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Feb 10, 2018 01:23
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Ron Howard the type of guy to use the condition of a person's car as a visual metaphor
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AndyElusive posted:I don't get how this all happened a long time ago when everything looks like it's the future. https://youtu.be/k9tgLnI0fFc
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Feb 10, 2018 03:30
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Wheat Loaf posted:The next movie should just be a recording of the table read. The only real Star Wars is the radio dramas.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The issue is that everything else is bizarrely identical. Chewbacca's got roughly the same bandolier, Calrissian has roughly the same flamboyant blue cape, etc. The logic of the ship is not being applied consistently. Clothes are cheap, ships are not. Lando isn't going to be wearing the exact same cape a decade later (Obi-wan might though - he's a reclusive desert hermit). After a decade of heavy use, modifications, living in the ship, and trying to smuggle stuff in the ship, it's not going to be pristine (and honestly, the clutter probably helps a smuggler smuggle things; if it's too pristine, it's going to be hard to hide things).
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Feb 10, 2018 04:31
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Angry Salami posted:The only real Star Wars is the radio dramas. I honestly love these. Darth Vader really laying on the ham in them.
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Feb 10, 2018 04:39
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Angry Salami posted:The only real Star Wars is the radio dramas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eno5_aCx17w clown shoes fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Feb 10, 2018 |
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Feb 10, 2018 04:43
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100 degrees Calcium posted:I honestly love these. Darth Vader really laying on the ham in them. Isn't he just? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKM8kw9zr1A&t=10873s Can you imagine if that had been the Vader on film? Sheev would have had serious competition with the scenery chewing.
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Dirk the Average posted:Clothes are cheap, ships are not. Lando isn't going to be wearing the exact same cape a decade later (Obi-wan might though - he's a reclusive desert hermit). After a decade of heavy use, modifications, living in the ship, and trying to smuggle stuff in the ship, it's not going to be pristine (and honestly, the clutter probably helps a smuggler smuggle things; if it's too pristine, it's going to be hard to hide things). The issue is that, when there is no real change in fashion sense, that indicates no real change in characterization. Sometimes that can be good, as with the Obi-Wan example - the old belt is replaced with a shoddier one and the overall style is looser and more informal, but it shows that he is still holding onto the ways of the jedi order as best he can. The massive change in the ship without a corresponding change of fashion sense indicates that Han is just a corrosive slob from the beginning.
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Feb 10, 2018 05:34
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The issue is that, when there is no real change in fashion sense, that indicates no real change in characterization. maybe he is?
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Feb 10, 2018 07:12
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Elfgames posted:maybe he is? the trailer seems to be implying that he wants to join the empire and do imperial things though
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Feb 10, 2018 07:37
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ungulateman posted:the trailer seems to be implying that he wants to join the empire and do imperial things though The earlier teaser depicts him enlisting into flight academy, but the later one has him narrating that he washed out.
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Feb 10, 2018 07:40
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Bongo Bill posted:The earlier teaser depicts him enlisting into flight academy, but the later one has him narrating that he washed out. Yeah I assume Han wants to join the Imperial Academy for the same reason that Luke wants to later, get away from his home world and see the galaxy. I want to say that all the snowy landscapes in the trailers are Corellia? What is the origin of Corellia always having a light frost? It seems to always have had that.
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Feb 10, 2018 07:58
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I bet the joining part is the heist poo poo.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The issue is that, when there is no real change in fashion sense, that indicates no real change in characterization. He's a criminal, a smuggler. His income isn't exactly stable at the best of times, and he went in debt to Jabba. It's not exactly out of the realm of possibility that someone in that situation is going to prioritize cobbling together repairs and upgrading hardware over aesthetics. And again, clothes are cheap. Owning a starship is expensive. Someone in Han's profession needs to advertise some level of wealth with their appearance, so it makes sense that his personal appearance is kept up while his ship deteriorates a bit. I'm just not seeing how this is implausible to you. He takes a pristine ship and wrecks it over the years in the name of cutting costs and upgrading the hardware. That absolutely does say something about him, especially if his personal appearance doesn't really change.
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George Lucas made a suggestion for this film, so can't wait until everyone blames him for the film https://twitter.com/TheAVClub/status/962250049328697344 (Would love it if the suggestion was "Han shoots first")
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Feb 10, 2018 10:58
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As long as it wasn’t “fire Lord and Miller” idc what it was.
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Regarding the old vs new Falcon, a better example of the new versus worn look is Mad Max's V8 Interceptor. Between Mad Max and the Road Warrior, it becomes suitable worn and modified to reflect Max's nomadic existence in the wastelands: The car's look reflects Max's personality and where his character is at in his story. When it is destroyed, it represents a hard break with the old life that Max was still hanging onto and a chance for him to start over. Also, its shows that George Miller should have made Solo.        
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Feb 10, 2018 13:13
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George Lucas is responsible for putting nipples on the Han suit
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Davros1 posted:George Lucas made a suggestion for this film, so can't wait until everyone blames him for the film Suddenly excited for this movie now.
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Feb 10, 2018 13:18
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Loving the "George Lucas was totally helping with Solo" in the aftermath of people wanting George back in the wake of TLJ.
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Feb 10, 2018 13:38
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What if Lucas is totally doing the same thing Spielberg did to Poltergeist?
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Feb 10, 2018 13:54
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The MSJ posted:What if Lucas is totally doing the same thing Spielberg did to Poltergeist? Poltergeist astounds me because it had a PG rating. Not only was it frightening but it had on-screen drug use that was portrayed positively.
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UmOk posted:Poltergeist astounds me because it had a PG rating. Not only was it frightening but it had on-screen drug use that was portrayed positively. Poltergeist predated the PG-13 rating. Spielberg managed to avoid an R rating (which I believe it originally got) by heavily pressuring the MPAA.
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Milky Moor posted:Loving the "George Lucas was totally helping with Solo" in the aftermath of people wanting George back in the wake of TLJ. I never wanted him gone.
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euphronius posted:I never wanted him gone. Everyone else did, though.
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