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ITT people think Skullclamp is a perfectly reasonable card.
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Feb 10, 2018 01:08
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Mardu Pyromancer with skullclamp seems disgusting.
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Feb 10, 2018 01:11
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I really believe that most of the people in this thread have never played with or against Jace or SFM. Batterskull is the last card I want to get in most matchups. The only time I want it is against burn and storm or if I have a pretty specific draw of lands and creatures. I can also count on less than 1 hand the number of games I've used the return to hand ability in 4 years. It usually gets reset by a Flickerwisp if anything. We're in a format dominated by turn 2 4/5s and 5/5s and you're worried about a turn 3 Batterskull that takes 2 entire turns and is vulnerable to Bolt and Thoughtseize. For every other deck, SoFI hits just as hard while allowing me to draw additional disruption or Jitte just destroys everything. I think Feast and Famine would be the sword of choice in modern though. Sickening posted:Untapping with stoneforge seems like a rare thing in modern. Taking turn 2 and 3 off in modern for a 4/4 seems, meh. I would rather be casting TKS. I'm worried at how much I've been agreeing with you lately.
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Feb 10, 2018 01:16
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Sampatrick posted:I don't know if you're aware, but this isn't Mirrodin Standard. This is a much higher powered format that also happens to have lots of answers to Skullclamp. Darksteel is thirteen years old now. The game has changed a ton in that period. Darksteel Standard has far, FAR more, and more efficient, answers to Skullclamp seeing play in maindecks. It wasn't enough. Kolaghan's Command is great and all, but people were maindecking Oxidize.
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Feb 10, 2018 01:17
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I'm a terrible person cause I want to see Eye unbanned. I started after it was banned so I missed out on Eldrazi winter and don't hate them like everybody else. Eye doesn't seem to get talked about like Jace or the other banned cards as being warping. I just wanna see if it would kill modern again now.
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Feb 10, 2018 01:17
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ChaosReaper posted:I'm a terrible person cause I want to see Eye unbanned. I started after it was banned so I missed out on Eldrazi winter and don't hate them like everybody else. Eye doesn't seem to get talked about like Jace or the other banned cards as being warping. I just wanna see if it would kill modern again now. Go proxy the UR, UW or colorless Eldrazi decks and play them against any modern deck. Two Hollow Ones on turn 1 is pretty cool, but turn one double Eldrazi Mimic is more likely than that and more fearsome when followed by TKS/Reality Smasher/Endless One.
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Feb 10, 2018 01:21
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suicidesteve posted:
Ditto. Feels gross.
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Feb 10, 2018 01:27
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suicidesteve posted:I really believe that most of the people in this thread have never played with or against Jace or SFM. Batterskull is the last card I want to get in most matchups. The only time I want it is against burn and storm or if I have a pretty specific draw of lands and creatures. I can also count on less than 1 hand the number of games I've used the return to hand ability in 4 years. It usually gets reset by a Flickerwisp if anything. We're in a format dominated by turn 2 4/5s and 5/5s and you're worried about a turn 3 Batterskull that takes 2 entire turns and is vulnerable to Bolt and Thoughtseize. Hasn't Jeskai Spell Queller been a tier one deck for like a while now? Seems like that deck would really, really like to play the SFM package.
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Feb 10, 2018 01:40
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The best part about Clamp is that the -1 was supposed to be a downside.
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Feb 10, 2018 02:06
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Does there exist in Magic a bigger man child than Jeff Hoogland?
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Feb 10, 2018 02:09
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Sampatrick posted:Does there exist in Magic a bigger man child than Jeff Hoogland? By mass? EFro's bigger. By volume? EFro's also louder.
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Feb 10, 2018 02:14
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Attorney at Funk posted:By mass? EFro's bigger. You can figure out his volume by how dense he is
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Feb 10, 2018 02:17
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Sampatrick posted:Does there exist in Magic a bigger man child than Jeff Hoogland? BooHoogland
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Feb 10, 2018 02:17
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Sampatrick posted:Does there exist in Magic a bigger man child than Jeff Hoogland? Hell no. His twitter feed is good to laugh at though.
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Feb 10, 2018 02:23
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If SFM Mystic is unbanned, the biggest winner is people who have piles of swords.
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Feb 10, 2018 02:45
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Hellsau posted:BooHoogland quit posting my posts before me ok pal
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Feb 10, 2018 03:03
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Sampatrick posted:Does there exist in Magic a bigger man child than Jeff Hoogland? I've never understood the Hoogland hate, what's wrong with him? Being a sore loser is far from the most grievous thing a MTG personality can be.
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Feb 10, 2018 03:06
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:I've never understood the Hoogland hate, what's wrong with him? Being a sore loser is far from the most grievous thing a MTG personality can be. "BooHoogland" is a really funny pun and makes it stick to him a lot more than it would to someone else with a different name. But also he's a sore loser.
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Feb 10, 2018 03:15
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Jabor posted:But also he's a sore loser. Repeatedly and pettily.
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Feb 10, 2018 03:17
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Sampatrick posted:Does there exist in Magic a bigger man child than Jeff Hoogland? its you
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Feb 10, 2018 03:18
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:I've never understood the Hoogland hate, what's wrong with him? Being a sore loser is far from the most grievous thing a MTG personality can be. he gets upset when you relentlessly bully him, which is a personality flaw according to said bullies
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Feb 10, 2018 03:18
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Jabor posted:"BooHoogland" is a really funny pun and makes it stick to him a lot more than it would to someone else with a different name. Say it during an SCG stream and watch how fast you get banned for 20 minutes haha
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Feb 10, 2018 03:19
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little munchkin posted:he gets upset when you relentlessly bully him, which is a personality flaw according to said bullies I remember him blowing up in Cheon's chat when Cheon didn't take Hoogland's specific line (despite Cheon taking a fair amount of time to weigh the options). Guy's got issues.
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Feb 10, 2018 03:22
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kingcobweb posted:You can figure out his volume by how dense he is Despite everyone else ignoring this, I want you to know I appreciated this post.
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Feb 10, 2018 03:32
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:I've never understood the Hoogland hate, what's wrong with him? Being a sore loser is far from the most grievous thing a MTG personality can be. I've been banned in his chat before for saying that Grixis Death Shadow is the best deck in Modern. He acts like a complete child.
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Feb 10, 2018 03:44
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Sampatrick posted:I've been banned in his chat before for saying that Grixis Death Shadow is the best deck in Modern. He acts like a complete child. I watched his stream when he came back after quitting mtgo. He got mad at losing and said "thats it, i am done" and cuts off the stream. No "thanks for watching" or anything else that a streamer would normally do, just cuts it off. Someone who came back to the stream being offline says "Is the stream over?" and I replied "yeah, bit of a ragequit" Of course he is still in the chat and bans me for "being an rear end in a top hat". Banned 3 others for the LUL emote right after. He honestly has a chemical imbalance in his head.
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Feb 10, 2018 03:49
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:I've never understood the Hoogland hate, what's wrong with him? Being a sore loser is far from the most grievous thing a MTG personality can be. He engages when he shouldn't is most of it. Lots of internet personalities get trolled, etc. and nobody should have to just take it, but ban/block/ignore/report whomever and don't let it affect you. The things that happen because of his inability to handle negativity in a way that doesn't give it attention causes it to continue.
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Feb 10, 2018 06:18
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Hoogland is bar none my least favorite somewhat known player in magic.
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Feb 10, 2018 07:17
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ShaneB posted:Hoogland is bar none my least favorite somewhat known player in magic. Travis “actively insane holocaust denier” woo, easily
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Feb 10, 2018 07:28
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GeneX posted:Travis “actively insane holocaust denier” woo, easily He's not an abhorrent person beyond his mental instability. Jeff is. I think Woo is actually not all there.
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Feb 10, 2018 07:31
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Fun fact, Jeff Hoogland banned me in both Magic and SCG’s twitch chats for daring to disagree with him over the BBE banning in SCG’s chat.
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Feb 10, 2018 07:35
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Who in the SCG minor league are worth following in the first place? Tom Ross and Emma Handy are the only two that I can think of.
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Feb 10, 2018 07:41
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Since I missed skullclamp chat (lol what a card) I feel it's worth sharing the article from ~14 years ago~ where they said "Welp we sure hosed up". You know, a year before Jitte came out. https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/skullclamp-we-hardly-knew-ye-2004-06-04
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Feb 10, 2018 07:56
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Star Man posted:Who in the SCG minor league are worth following in the first place? Tom Ross and Emma Handy are the only two that I can think of. Todd Stevens is cool
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Feb 10, 2018 08:12
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:Since I missed skullclamp chat (lol what a card) I feel it's worth sharing the article from ~14 years ago~ where they said "Welp we sure hosed up". There's a difference. Jitte merely made all creature decks revolve around drawing Jitte first, rather than every deck revolving around playing the equipment or stopping it at all costs. Plus there were viable non-Jitte decks. They also never banned Jitte. Jitte would be completely disasterous to unban in Modern, just like Skullclamp. They also put both stupid equipments into precons which immediately sold out. So they're kind of similar yeah.
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Feb 10, 2018 09:11
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Hellsau posted:There's a difference. Jitte merely made all creature decks revolve around drawing Jitte first, rather than every deck revolving around playing the equipment or stopping it at all costs. Plus there were viable non-Jitte decks. They also never banned Jitte. The best example of this is the Tooth and Nail deck, probably the first good green big ramp deck. To remain good during the Clamp era, it dumped the Tron pieces and land searchers and things like that for cheap mana elves, Skullclamp, and Vernal Bloom. Then once Clamp was banned it went back to the old build because it was better without the broken equipment.
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Feb 10, 2018 09:40
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Hellsau posted:There's a difference. Jitte merely made all creature decks revolve around drawing Jitte first, rather than every deck revolving around playing the equipment or stopping it at all costs. Plus there were viable non-Jitte decks. They also never banned Jitte. Also with the old Legend rule you could still destroy a Jitte with your own Jitte, so it'd be even dumber now.
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Feb 10, 2018 09:42
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Hellsau posted:There's a difference. Jitte merely made all creature decks revolve around drawing Jitte first, rather than every deck revolving around playing the equipment or stopping it at all costs. Plus there were viable non-Jitte decks. They also never banned Jitte. They are not at all comparable beyond being design mistakes. Jitte is massively more expensive, and only works in a battle between two fair creature decks. They could unban Jitte no problem.
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Feb 10, 2018 09:48
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kingcobweb posted:They are not at all comparable beyond being design mistakes. Jitte is massively more expensive, and only works in a battle between two fair creature decks. They could unban Jitte no problem. Yeah, Jitte is pretty degenerate once it gets going, but.. it costs 2 mana to play, 2 to equip, and requires you to actually land a hit with a creature. I think it would probably be too good for modern, but not having a text box until you land a hit might be more of a downside than we give credit for.
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kingcobweb posted:They could unban Jitte no problem. Absolutely not. It makes all creature mirrors cripplingly unfun and isn't bad by itself. Effectively +4/+4 for 2 to play/2 to equip is still a fine card, and Jitte is much more than that.
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