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XIII-2 Snow is good because he got a better haircut and comes to take Serah away for Time Cop adventures.
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ApplesandOranges posted:XIII-2 Snow is good because he got a better haircut and comes to take Serah away for Time Cop adventures. A... better haircut? 
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Feb 10, 2018 05:33
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ApplesandOranges posted:XIII-2 Snow is good because he got a better haircut and comes to take Serah away for Time Cop adventures. Serious talk, you're the first person I've met who liked XIII-2 Snow's hair besides myself. At least as far as I can remember. The 80s were the best decade. I'm sad I missed them. (probably not but I like the pop culture)
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Feb 10, 2018 05:33
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You know the only people 80's hair looks good on? Women. They only ever looked good on women. Unless you plan to pick up a golden guitar and sing your way to the stars, you'll find that hair won't get you far, let alone to Mars.
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Feb 10, 2018 05:45
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The Emperor still hasn’t been unseated from his throne of best hair in the series
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Feb 10, 2018 05:49
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Barudak posted:Nope, you never get your own airship, despite you riding in one earlier and it being a major goal of the party. Instead you can buy airship tickets which exist solely to a) be a place for a hunt to happen at and b) a shop that for some unfathomable reason is where you buy all the teleport stones your heart desires and c) inefficiently teleport you to places you've been. Uh what? It's been a long time since I played 12 but I'm pretty sure at some point towards the end of the game you get Balthier's airship up and running.
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Feb 10, 2018 06:25
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Bad haircuts: basically everyone in FFX, but bonus points to Wakka, Seymour and Nooj.
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Feb 10, 2018 06:32
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Barudak posted:Nope, you never get your own airship, despite you riding in one earlier and it being a major goal of the party. Instead you can buy airship tickets which exist solely to a) be a place for a hunt to happen at and b) a shop that for some unfathomable reason is where you buy all the teleport stones your heart desires and c) inefficiently teleport you to places you've been. And a really weird sidequest.
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Feb 10, 2018 07:26
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Snow is basically every shonen protagonist ever except his optimism and let's-do-it attitude doesn't magically save everyone in the beginning of the game. One thing I've noticed about fanbases is that they have zero tolerance for protagonists failing. It's fine if the protag is dumb as bricks as long as they succeed by pure luck. Snow isn't as lucky, so the fans hate him, even though he was basically the only person at trying to keep everyone form being executed by the state.
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Feb 10, 2018 08:22
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Help Im Alive posted:Why do people hate Snow again Snow is a ff9 character stuck in a narrative in which heroes cannot do heroics. He comes across as annoying cause it.
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Feb 10, 2018 08:41
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man nurse posted:So I'm playing FF XII Zodiac Age and I just got the item from the viera that removes the barriers in the forest, and now all of the enemies beyond there are suddenly kicking my rear end. I feel like I've already been doing a ton of optional grinding, so I'm not sure why the difficulty just spiked like that. Do I have no choice but to grind more? You definitely get an airship in FFXII; but it can only take you to a limited number of locations so it still kinda sucks. But yeah, you can buy teleport stones for like 200 gil a pop, so you should probably just stock up while taking an airship ride from an airport. Also, clearly you're doing something wrong if you can't beat the hunts because, as this thread has pointed out, FFXII is soooo braindead easy that you can just set up a simple gambit setup and put the controller down and beat all content. You idiot.
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Feb 10, 2018 08:51
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Renoistic posted:Snow is basically every shonen protagonist ever except his optimism and let's-do-it attitude doesn't magically save everyone in the beginning of the game. One thing I've noticed about fanbases is that they have zero tolerance for protagonists failing. It's fine if the protag is dumb as bricks as long as they succeed by pure luck. Snow isn't as lucky, so the fans hate him, even though he was basically the only person at trying to keep everyone form being executed by the state. Of course, this being FFXIII, even though he's supposed to learn the lesson that reckless actions, no matter how noble, can still be a bad thing, the party ends up saving the world through reckless, thoughtless actions. Basically, "heroes don't need plans" is the motto of FFXIII's plot so I say that Snow was right all along.
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Feb 10, 2018 09:10
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NikkolasKing posted:Of course, this being FFXIII, even though he's supposed to learn the lesson that reckless actions, no matter how noble, can still be a bad thing, the party ends up saving the world through reckless, thoughtless actions. Does that mean that the real lesson is that you are only a hero if you have super powers?
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Feb 10, 2018 10:33
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Honestly I mostly judge a character based on how dumb their face looks. Sorry, Tidus.
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Feb 10, 2018 10:33
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No to defend Snow or anything, but 90% of characters in Final Fantasy are freggin idiots, and a good chunk of those 10% that are not turn into idiots in sequels or remakes.
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Feb 10, 2018 10:41
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man nurse posted:I’m an idiot and went to the wrong area, nevermind Note that optional hunts are indeed tough but all monsters usually have one fatal weakness to a particular element or status effects. You have to use a wiki though if you wanna see monster stats Also Disease completely fucks up some tough encounters. You need Diamond Armlet and use that to pick up Meteorites from chests. You can find the armlet very early in Westersand I feel like doing a new playthrough
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Feb 10, 2018 11:00
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Remember when Snow was just called 'Mr 33cm'. Good times.
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Feb 10, 2018 11:11
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33cm Of Snow
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Feb 10, 2018 11:13
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Renoistic posted:Snow is basically every shonen protagonist ever except his optimism and let's-do-it attitude doesn't magically save everyone in the beginning of the game. One thing I've noticed about fanbases is that they have zero tolerance for protagonists failing. It's fine if the protag is dumb as bricks as long as they succeed by pure luck. Snow isn't as lucky, so the fans hate him, even though he was basically the only person at trying to keep everyone form being executed by the state. The flipside is that characters like Snow usually have some kind of revelatory moment where their prior assumptions of the world are challenged or they witness the destructive effects of their own can-do-it naivete. They learn from their mistakes and mature as a leader. This... just doesn't happen in FF13, the whole early conflict with Hope falls away without a satisfying payoff, and Snow has no motive to change because wouldn't you know it, he got an advance copy of the FF13 script and saw that just kind of irrationally hoping things work themselves out is The Right Thing to do.
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Feb 10, 2018 11:24
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I like Snow because, in a world of style over substance, he's one of the few characters that seems to lean into being stylish. It's him, FMV Lightning (not in-gameplay Lightning), and Caius. That's all.
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Feb 10, 2018 11:29
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WaltherFeng posted:
You get the diamond armlet from the first chest in trial mode, then you die on wave 2 and continue the autosave in the game.
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Feb 10, 2018 11:35
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Your Computer posted:Honestly I mostly judge a character based on how dumb their face looks. Why do you hate Meg Ryan
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Feb 10, 2018 11:50
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kirbysuperstar posted:Why do you hate Meg Ryan Eh, at least he's not Zidane
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Feb 10, 2018 12:21
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Schwartzcough posted:Incidentally, I think that picture is OOOLD. Like, the first release or two of the mod had apparently more of that cringey dialog, but people complained and to his credit the creator both A) cut out most of the really bad dialog, and B) put in an option to remove almost all of it. And that was before I played it like 4 years ago. He continued to work on balance tweaks and stuff as well. So I wouldn't discount the mod because of an ancient picture that no longer reflects the mod. You made me go and check it out again. A lot of the changes sound pretty cool, at least on paper, but stuff like this in the FAQ makes me wary quote:Some liberty was taken to add references and homages to other games/music/movies/pop-culture/etc., where it is appropriate and doesn't detract from the story.  there's a 'pickle rick' in there somewhere) and as for the option to remove the edgy dialoguequote:If you desire, apply the "Clean New World" patch AFTER applying Brave New World. Be warned that Clean New World was not taken seriously and contains obviously (and badly) censored dialogue. I did try it out though. In about 30 minutes I got one-hit KO'ed twice by the enemies immediately outside Narshe (not a difficulty mod!), got a joke about Edgar's dick and was told to "piss off you bloody wanker" by an NPC. I guess the moral of the story is that romhacks are romhacks 
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Feb 10, 2018 15:16
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Renoistic posted:Snow isn't as lucky, so the fans hate him, even though he was basically the only person at trying to keep everyone form being executed by the state. That's not really accurate. At the start, Snow's the one who doesn't care about getting caught by the Sanctum, he just wanted to try anything to free Serah from being crystal. Past that point, he was abducted by the Calvary and was helping their plans alongside Fang. The only time he's really acting independently that helped the party was in Chapter 10, after Bart had told the party their focus of being ragnorok, where everyone was depressed and not sure how to move forward between completing their focus/destroying cocoon or turning cei'th. Snows the one who tries to rally up the group after fighting Cid, using that as an example of how they knew there had to be some other option to make things right. But even still, that doesn't really put him up as the smart/safe one who's trying to keep them alive. Sahz is more like what you said, but even at that, Sahz's arc ends up being more about trying to run away, so it's not really him either. exquisite tea posted:The flipside is that characters like Snow usually have some kind of revelatory moment where their prior assumptions of the world are challenged or they witness the destructive effects of their own can-do-it naivete. They learn from their mistakes and mature as a leader. This... just doesn't happen in FF13, the whole early conflict with Hope falls away without a satisfying payoff, and Snow has no motive to change because wouldn't you know it, he got an advance copy of the FF13 script and saw that just kind of irrationally hoping things work themselves out is The Right Thing to do. I mean, literally the point of Chapter 7 Hope and Snow was Snow seeing that his dumb blind optimism didn't mean anything, and he was using it to run away from his problems, and how he almost got killed for it (by Hope). He admits this directly to Hope right after he tried to kill him. Him learning that he couldn't magically solve everything and figuring out that he was running away from his mistakes, ending up with him apologizing to Hope/Hope's father was the payoff for that arc. Snow's point is to help inspire the party to defy their focus in the end. He goes through times where his optimism is challenged (early on when he can't accept that Serah is gone, his arc with Hope where he's running from his mistakes, and when he learned from Bart about Serah's true focus), and in getting past those challenges he finds more resolution in his ways. Typically we think of character arcs in forcing characters to change, but that's not what ends up being the best route in a lot of cases. Snow returns back to his original way of thinking, which is frustrating for people who assume characters are supposed to shift, and are also personally annoyed at his optimism. But like it or not, "irrationally hoping things work themselves out" really is one of the big important parts of FF13 in the end, and Snow returning to optimism is a key part in helping the party realize that.
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Feb 10, 2018 15:45
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Renoistic posted:Snow is basically every shonen protagonist ever except his optimism and let's-do-it attitude doesn't magically save everyone in the beginning of the game. One thing I've noticed about fanbases is that they have zero tolerance for protagonists failing. It's fine if the protag is dumb as bricks as long as they succeed by pure luck. Snow isn't as lucky, so the fans hate him, even though he was basically the only person at trying to keep everyone form being executed by the state. Most FF protags are actually pretty big failures for the majority of the story and only eke out a win in the end. Cecil constantly gives up crystals to the villain and whose main positive contributions are "recruit more competent characters like Yang, FuSoYa, and even Edward to save the day". 5-9's protags pretty much let their villains get what they want and ends in them having to clean up the resulting messes. They should just call it Failure Fantasy since it's a series all about people failing until deus ex machinas bail them out.
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Feb 10, 2018 16:28
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Jusupov posted:You get the diamond armlet from the first chest in trial mode, then you die on wave 2 and continue the autosave in the game. Trial mode is practically cheating so I dont use that exploit
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Feb 10, 2018 16:29
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Thinking about it, is Lightning the most powerful heroine? She's pretty much a goddess by LR so she's an obvious frontrunner. The alternatives are, what, Aerith's corpse, maaaaaybe Sorceress Rinoa, FF14's protag if you're playing a woman, and Relm if you consider the Sketch Glitch canon.
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Feb 10, 2018 16:33
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Mega64 posted:Most FF protags are actually pretty big failures for the majority of the story and only eke out a win in the end. Cecil constantly gives up crystals to the villain and whose main positive contributions are "recruit more competent characters like Yang, FuSoYa, and even Edward to save the day". 5-9's protags pretty much let their villains get what they want and ends in them having to clean up the resulting messes. They should just call it Failure Fantasy since it's a series all about people failing until deus ex machinas bail them out. Final Fantasy Megathread - They should just call it Failure Fantasy
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Feb 10, 2018 16:34
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LR Lightning is pretty much beyond the scope of most protaganists other than maaaaybe Noctis.
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Feb 10, 2018 16:35
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Mega64 posted:and Relm if you consider the Sketch Glitch canon. This is the true answer right here
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Feb 10, 2018 17:41
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Barudak posted:Nope, you never get your own airship, despite you riding in one earlier and it being a major goal of the party. Instead you can buy airship tickets which exist solely to a) be a place for a hunt to happen at and b) a shop that for some unfathomable reason is where you buy all the teleport stones your heart desires and c) inefficiently teleport you to places you've been. d) manipulate RNG so you can get the best weapon in the game. Also there's some side quest to deliver letters to every woman who manages the airship on each unique route.
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Feb 10, 2018 17:50
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Mega64 posted:Thinking about it, is Lightning the most powerful heroine? She's pretty much a goddess by LR so she's an obvious frontrunner. The alternatives are, what, Aerith's corpse, maaaaaybe Sorceress Rinoa, FF14's protag if you're playing a woman, and Relm if you consider the Sketch Glitch canon. Of course she's the most powerful. She's also the most beautiful and the most pure. To help you understand, I've brought this rose... Your Computer posted:You made me go and check it out again. A lot of the changes sound pretty cool, at least on paper, but stuff like this in the FAQ makes me wary Eh, sorry if it's not working out. I didn't remember there being that much awful dialog, and definitely didn't remember running into many trash mobs that were especially dangerous. I did remember thinking the balance tweaks and gameplay changes (from when I played, again, 4+ years ago. Hell, maybe it was closer to 7 or 8, I don't remember. Definitely before magicite leveling stat gains were separated from level-up stat gains) being pretty good.
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Feb 10, 2018 20:04
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Mega64 posted:Thinking about it, is Lightning the most powerful heroine? She's pretty much a goddess by LR so she's an obvious frontrunner. The alternatives are, what, Aerith's corpse, maaaaaybe Sorceress Rinoa, FF14's protag if you're playing a woman, and Relm if you consider the Sketch Glitch canon. Probably the most powerful heroine under her own power, barring a female Warrior of Light from 14. Some of the summoners could probably take her if they get to use their summons, especially Rydia (being an incredibly powerful black mage who can also summon incredibly powerful beings to help out) or Garnet (who probably has the broken summons in the series plot-wise in IX's Bahamut, Atomos, and Odin.) 14's WoL is a very interesting case because the Echo is really subtly completely loving bullshit. While the WoL has the light's blessing as well, (plot spoilers ahead) It's increasingly weak as the story moves on, being granted to the WoL by a enfeebled goddess who's speeding her own death along simply providing it to the player, to the point where a crippled ancient dragon steps in and offers to be the WoL's power source instead at the cost of being able to sup on the Light to help facilitate it's own recovery but the real reason the WoL is able to fight gods born of prayer and power, infinitely powerful imperial weapons, and ancient reawakened evils is because the Echo gives the WoL brief glimpses of the past and, more importantly, the future. Those orange markers, red symbols, and all the tells the game uses to deliver mechanical information to the player so you can properly avoid or mitigate attacks? That's all canon. The Warrior of Light sees all of that, or at least some less mechanics-based version of that. When the Warrior of Light loses, and the fight restarts with the Echo providing a minor buff if you get far enough? That's also canon, as that's you seeing your failure in the Echo and (hopefully) learning how to prevent it. And Savage/Extreme fights, usually presented as a strangely-familiar minstrel retelling tales of your victory against impossible odds to the rest of the world, all have one major change in common- they all take those orange AoE markers away. Because how would someone without the Echo understand how the Echo works when telling their stories to the rest of the world?
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Feb 10, 2018 20:18
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I don't like snow because he's a loving informer
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Feb 10, 2018 20:18
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Mr. Locke posted:Probably the most powerful heroine under her own power, barring a female Warrior of Light from 14. Some of the summoners could probably take her if they get to use their summons, especially Rydia (being an incredibly powerful black mage who can also summon incredibly powerful beings to help out) or Garnet (who probably has the broken summons in the series plot-wise in IX's Bahamut, Atomos, and Odin.) You've got most of it right but not all of it. Dragon dad breaks our connection to her and doesn't give us his power for the echo. He was testing us to see if we were worthy of being called a hero or just propped up by Momma Crystal. During this trial of character we develop and strengthen our own aether and echo and by the time you roll up to Knights of the Round you're powering yourself.
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Feb 10, 2018 20:21
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Couldn't the FF8 women just eat Lightning
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Feb 10, 2018 20:24
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Only on deviantart.
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Feb 10, 2018 20:26
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Help Im Alive posted:Couldn't the FF8 women just eat Lightning Junction thundaga to magic-def and they’re golden.
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Help Im Alive posted:Couldn't the FF8 women just eat Lightning Do you have any evidence for this Asking not for a friend, but myself
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