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There is no ethics under capitalism.
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Pollyanna posted:There is no ethics under capitalism. I got to choose the place and it's my favorite burg joint in the town.
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Feb 9, 2018 00:43
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Burg well, my friend
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Feb 9, 2018 00:44
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ratbert90 posted:I got to choose the place and it's my favorite burg joint in the town. Fingers crossed on that office. Maybe tell them straight up you want that, see what they do. You don't want it too much, so you have as much bargaining strength as you'll ever have. Pollyanna posted:There is no ethics under capitalism. This might be one of those crazy overblown things you sometimes say. Murder still bad.
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Feb 9, 2018 00:47
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Pollyanna posted:There is no ethics under capitalism. are
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Feb 9, 2018 01:21
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The are no grammar under capitalism.
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Feb 9, 2018 01:31
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code:
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Feb 9, 2018 01:32
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ee cummings was a revolutionary capitalist
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Feb 9, 2018 01:38
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i is no smarty under capeetaleesm
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Feb 9, 2018 01:58
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ratbert90 posted:Ethics question: You're getting those other engineers a free lunch. You have a moral imperative to go.
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Feb 9, 2018 02:19
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leper khan posted:Node was a mistake, yes. Haha I've picked up that Node is not well liked, but my workplace is a Node shop, and I figured I should at least learn that one well before trying another. My plan for next one was Python (and whatever permuation/variation is recommended). Hopefully Node doesn't taint me forever, haha Mniot posted:You're getting those other engineers a free lunch. You have a moral imperative to go. Do not deny others tasty burgers~
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Feb 9, 2018 03:17
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Node and angular feels like php and it's gross
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Feb 9, 2018 03:38
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Mniot posted:You're getting those other engineers a free lunch. You have a moral imperative to go. Oooo, good point. I will burg on with no moral qualms then!
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Feb 9, 2018 03:49
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Mniot posted:You're getting those other engineers a free lunch. You have a moral imperative to go. I think you found the best argument in favor.
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Feb 9, 2018 06:02
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Mniot posted:You're getting those other engineers a free lunch. You have a moral imperative to go. This is the correct answer
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Feb 9, 2018 08:55
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Trip report: The burg was excellent. No office, bigger mess than I originally thought.
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Feb 10, 2018 05:23
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No office? As in personal, or as in homeless?
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Feb 10, 2018 15:18
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Shirec posted:When languages are being hired for, is there a tacit understanding that if someone is good at this language, they should be ok in this related language? I’m only just getting started, but my front end is mainly AngularJS at this point. that very much depends on the environment you're working in. smaller companies and startups will often expect developers to wear a lot of hats right away. in bigger companies you might spend a decade never actually being to expected to do anything other than your narrowly defined job description (you won't advance that way, but you probably won't be fired over it).
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Feb 10, 2018 18:27
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Jobs that last more than 5 years are pretty rare these days, and there's something to be said for regular, long-term work.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:30
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Pollyanna posted:No office? As in personal, or as in homeless? They couldn’t give me a office at work. Once you have your own it’s very very difficult to go back to a cube.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:31
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Having your own office is pretty drat posh. I’d be amazed if any company offered it.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:36
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Pollyanna posted:Jobs that last more than 5 years are pretty rare these days protip, if you're interested in finding one of the ones that still do, interview with japanese companies that operate in the U.S. One of the few remaining jobs you can get where "respect for people" is still actually the highest value
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Feb 10, 2018 18:41
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I've been at my place for 6 years. Started as a Dev (the only Dev, besides the tech director) and now I'm lead developer. Ive grown this product as I've grown, and have had lots of time to face my own pittfalls. Ive gained a lot of wisdom that way which I don't think I would have gotten if I jumped projects ever year or 18 months.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:53
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KoRMaK posted:I've been at my place for 6 years. Started as a Dev (the only Dev, besides the tech director) and now I'm lead developer. You're lucky your product succeeded instead of failed, otherwise you'd have done the biannual tango yourself.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:58
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ratbert90 posted:They couldn’t give me a office at work. Once you have your own it’s very very difficult to go back to a cube. Holy poo poo, they have cubes?
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Feb 10, 2018 19:13
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redleader posted:Holy poo poo, they have cubes? Yeah, and they are for PLEEBS.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:16
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Cubes weren't too bad when I was working in one. It's not like open layouts are all that great either.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:29
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Offices or bust.  If there is enough space, I don't mind sharing with couple more programmers tho.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:37
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Cubes sound like a loving godsend compared to the 'open office' warehouse of hellnoise that's all the rage anymore.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:44
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hailthefish posted:Cubes sound like a loving godsend compared to the 'open office' warehouse of hellnoise that's all the rage anymore. One of my old coworkers raged against open offices and constantly bashed us on linked in for our open office (rightly so) as well as called us a "circus" and "3rd rate Chuck e. Cheese" in which he had to constantly go to the drug store to get his blood pressure taken because he thought he was going to have a heart attack since his $400 Bose noise-cancelling headphones didn't work. The guy swore so much we all thought he had tourettes. He would also say something was 40 points for something that took me 2 days to do because he was a loving idiot. He emailed our CTO asking for a job last week. We've printed it out and it's on our HR Board next to EEOC guidelines.
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Feb 10, 2018 20:09
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gently caress open offices. my last open office was multiple levels, all open to each other, with giant glass windows facing the street in all directions. it was like being in a fish tank. i sat right in front of massive speakers hooked up to an office sonos system that was constantly abused with repetitive/awful playlists. people would walk in off the street and ask for the genius bar, mistaking us for an apple store because we were a giant glass building with a bunch of mac products set up. i looked at cubes with genuine lust after that
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Feb 10, 2018 20:18
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Pollyanna posted:Having your own office is pretty drat posh. I’d be amazed if any company offered it. I’ve had my own office twice. It’s not that uncommon, and it’s incredibly good for productivity. Once with a company of size ~10; once of size ~150. Xarn posted:Offices or bust. Office bunkies can be chill, but I prefer an office w/ a window for myself. Currently in an open hellscape though. It’s very distracting.
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Feb 10, 2018 21:24
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speng31b posted:people would walk in off the street and ask for the genius bar, mistaking us for an apple store because we were a giant glass building with a bunch of mac products set up. hahahaha this just made my day
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Feb 10, 2018 22:54
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fantastic in plastic posted:I didn't expect that, but now I'm curious -- folks in this thread who conduct interviews, what would you think if a candidate used question time to ask you to do a code review or whiteboard something? "Well, we've only got 45 minutes for our interview and if you really want to do that I guess we can, but I can't promise that the hiring committee will look favorably on the end result here." Pollyanna posted:Jobs that last more than 5 years are pretty rare these days, and there's something to be said for regular, long-term work. I've just recently realized that I've been at my job for four years, which is longer than any other place I've worked. It's nice, but I'm now one of those people who talks about How Things Used To Be.
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Feb 11, 2018 02:57
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leper khan posted:I’ve had my own office twice. It’s not that uncommon, and it’s incredibly good for productivity. Once with a company of size ~10; once of size ~150. It's incredibly uncommon in companies of any appreciable size below director level (though I have to hand it to a few companies I've seen that make everyone outside of c-suite eat the open plan dogshit).
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Feb 11, 2018 04:59
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I had my own office at my last job and while storage space has decreased I don't really find much of a difference between it and my current open office layout. I like that it's easy to engage my co-workers ad-hoc instead of having to quietly knock on the door in the hopes that they're a) there, b) not on a call, and c) ok with being disturbed. If I'm really trying to concentrate I'll grab one of the small rooms we have and go heads down for a while. It's not really a big deal and folks who get up in arms about it just seem weird to me. It's the equivalent to people who join a company because of snacks and ping pong.
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Feb 11, 2018 05:56
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There are a lot of ways to gently caress up an open layout, but if everything about the facility is built and furnished right, it's perfectly usable for collaborative work. However, because it's often seen as a cost-saving measure, a lot of companies cut corners on it and end up putting all their employees in some cavernous echo hell.
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Feb 11, 2018 06:24
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Blinkz0rz posted:I like that it's easy to engage my co-workers ad-hoc instead of having to quietly knock on the door in the hopes that they're a) there, b) not on a call, and c) ok with being disturbed. If their door was closed, they probably didn't want to be disturbed. Think about that occurrence rate next time you decide to go all open plan collaboratey on heads down engineers and interrupt their flow state in an open plan office.
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Feb 11, 2018 06:50
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baquerd posted:If their door was closed, they probably didn't want to be disturbed. Think about that occurrence rate next time you decide to go all open plan collaboratey on heads down engineers and interrupt their flow state in an open plan office. Thing is, work doesn't happen in a vacuum. No matter how much engineers like to think that they're special, part of their job is to be available for other people; whether it's their boss, a project stakeholder, or a junior engineer who needs help. Of course, sometimes you just need to go heads down and be left alone but if someone trying to get your attention to ask you a question breaks your flow so much, that's a failing on your part. The ability to multitask and, more importantly, switch contexts is way more important than how fast you can churn out code in isolation. One of my major bugaboos with the way the tech industry handles interviews and hiring is that it's made"culture fit" a proxy for soft skills like teamwork, communication skills, writing ability, multitasking, etc. rather than a complement. Unfortunately this means we end up with an industry full of technically competent people who can't work with others and lack the basic facilities to adapt themselves to different situations. It's really unfortunate.
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Feb 11, 2018 12:06
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Blinkz0rz posted:Thing is, work doesn't happen in a vacuum. No matter how much engineers like to think that they're special, part of their job is to be available for other people; whether it's their boss, a project stakeholder, or a junior engineer who needs help. I had a lot typed up but I'll just say I find your statements rather disingenuous. They ignore a lot about what can make an open office lovely, and they assume everyone can or should think and work in exactly the same way.
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Feb 11, 2018 13:47
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