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Mulderman posted:I guess being a mochi man, he can tear off a chunk and maybe by decreasing his stomach mass or something grow it back? I doubt this is a technique he can use in rapid succession. He probably needs to refill on donuts in order to get his mass back. Katakuri is actually really tiny, the body you see is made entirely of mochi. Like that biscuit dude, but even smaller. vvv EDIT: That makes an alarming amount of sense. Shadowlyger fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Since he is Luffy's mirror match it's going to turn out that he is a snake person and all of his human elements except his head are mochi once Luffy going into Snake Mode.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:16
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Well, he is already called an eel; and that's basically a sea snake.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:23
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you'd think if he could construct his body out of mochi he could give himself a less shameful mouth
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Feb 9, 2018 20:33
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Snazzy Frocks posted:you'd think if he could construct his body out of mochi he could give himself a less shameful mouth But then how can he indulge himself by eating giant freaking donuts?
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Feb 9, 2018 21:01
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With smaller bites I'd presume
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Feb 9, 2018 21:44
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Snazzy Frocks posted:With smaller bites I'd presume Clearly you do not understand Katakuri, the Man Who Loves Donuts.
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Feb 9, 2018 22:21
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And laying on the floor.
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Feb 10, 2018 00:13
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What was the point in the Logia > Paramecia retcon anyway if he's just going to do all the poo poo Logias do.
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Feb 10, 2018 04:28
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It could be that Oda wants to establish that really advanced use of a paramecia can be indistinguishable from use of a logia. At least, certain types of paramecia. I doubt the quake quake fruit user could ever become a man made of quakes for instance. Maybe Luffy will learn to make himself a literal being of rubber further down the line, and start imitating Plastic Man.
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Feb 10, 2018 04:37
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Is it a retcon? I figured Jinbei called him a logia because that's what everyone thought he was. Then mid-battle Luffy discovers that he's actually a paramecia who uses his powers to make himself appear to be a logia because everyone knows not to gently caress with a logia, and it throws powerful fighters off guard when their haki moves "pass through" Katakuri's supposedly logia body
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Feb 10, 2018 05:11
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U-DO Burger posted:Is it a retcon? I figured Jinbei called him a logia because that's what everyone thought he was. Then mid-battle Luffy discovers that he's actually a paramecia who uses his powers to make himself appear to be a logia because everyone knows not to gently caress with a logia, and it throws powerful fighters off guard when their haki moves "pass through" Katakuri's supposedly logia body In the weekly serialization Jinbe called it a Logia, but in the proper volume 86 the dialogue was changed to have him refer to it as a "special paramecia". It's absolutely a retcon.
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Feb 10, 2018 05:19
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Ah, I didn't know about the change. Yep, that's a retcon, and one that seems rather pointless too
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Feb 10, 2018 05:43
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U-DO Burger posted:Ah, I didn't know about the change. Yep, that's a retcon, and one that seems rather pointless too I think he was just a Mochi man, which means he was like Luffy and couldn't generate mochi outside his body until his fruit awakened, but could manipulate his body by creating extra arms etc. That would explain the rocket fist and how he can regenerate it. It basically makes him a logia user for non haki users though and his observation haki essentially makes him one to haki users anyway
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Feb 10, 2018 06:20
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I'm pretty sure that the logia -> special paramecia retcon was just because Oda decided that mochi didn't really fit with Logias' natural element theme. While Paramecia is the "no rules" category.
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Feb 10, 2018 08:08
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Snake Man will be like Katakuri's donut punches except its called gomu gomu bagel storm.
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Feb 10, 2018 09:52
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Elemental Weakness: Mochi
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Feb 10, 2018 10:15
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Katakuri's fruit functions on both common paramecia rulesets, in that he both is made of and can generate mochi. Luffy is just made of rubber, while mister 3 can only generate wax. His fruit fits perfectly within the established rules, it's just on another level from others.
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Feb 10, 2018 16:02
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QuasiQuack posted:Katakuri's fruit functions on both common paramecia rulesets, in that he both is made of and can generate mochi. Luffy is just made of rubber, while mister 3 can only generate wax. Being made of and can generate is mainly Logia territory.
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Feb 11, 2018 04:10
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I think he can generate Mochi mostly because his fruit is awakened.
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Feb 11, 2018 04:34
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Shadowlyger posted:I think he can generate Mochi mostly because his fruit is awakened. i believe the technical term is "woke"
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Feb 11, 2018 04:43
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydk8O40cwSU
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Feb 11, 2018 06:30
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MonsterEnvy posted:Being made of and can generate is mainly Logia territory. He's practically a Logia. In fact, Oda accidentally introduced him as a logia user. Then he remembered Logias are all natural substances. Cuchulain fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Feb 11, 2018 |
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Feb 11, 2018 12:50
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Holy gently caress its even the same voice actor as Jojo 
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Feb 11, 2018 19:50
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Shadowlyger posted:I think he can generate Mochi mostly because his fruit is awakened. Mr 3 could make tons of wax and he was just a regular paramecia
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Feb 11, 2018 20:02
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I think we're going to argue in circles over an imaginary rule that was apparently, just an error on Oda's part
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Feb 11, 2018 20:09
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Yeah it's pretty clear at this point that he is made of and can make mochi, so I don't see the point in trying to argue what category to put his power in, clearly Oda hosed up initially or they wouldn't have changed things in the official release.
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Feb 11, 2018 20:15
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That also makes sense with him initially just doing mochi punches, but then suddenly busting out other random poo poo once they enter mirror world. Oh I guess he's a paramecia now so sure he can do donuts and mealtime houses as well. EDIT: TBH I liked Katakuri best when his name was Dogtooth, he shot jelly beans, and his main fight contribution was helplessly commenting on the chaos that is about to happen in five seconds.
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Feb 11, 2018 20:31
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I demand some god drat consistency for the slop-generating paramecias. 
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Feb 11, 2018 20:34
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The Mochi rocket punch owned and tbh that's all the justification I need to not give a single solitary poo poo about ~fruit rules~.
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Feb 11, 2018 20:53
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Oh Snapple! posted:The Mochi rocket punch owned and tbh that's all the justification I need to not give a single solitary poo poo about ~fruit rules~.
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Feb 11, 2018 20:58
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They should have just limited logia to intangible things like light dark fire lightning cold air etc then we wouldn't have these issues. I mean is sand magma or mud any less complex than mochi?
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Feb 11, 2018 21:00
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theyre all naturally occurring phases of rock + water/heat/time
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Feb 11, 2018 21:05
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It doesn't occur naturally to my knowledge, so while I'm not even sure what mochi actually is I'd hazard a guess that it's more complex yes.
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Feb 11, 2018 21:05
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It should just be made of thing, produce thing or animal, with awakening broadly being some variation of logia gaining paramecia attributes or vice versa, plus the current awakening thing of turning stuff into thing (and whatever zoans do, I guess). Just keep whether it's natural or not as a general rule, with the odd exception like Katakuri when it fits a theme.
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Feb 11, 2018 21:13
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Katakuri is cool as hell in his anime intro.
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Feb 11, 2018 22:04
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I will start watching the anime again if they throw in JoJo "your next line is" references for katakuri
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Feb 11, 2018 22:18
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I'll start watching the anime again when they start adapting two chapters per episode again.
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Feb 11, 2018 22:58
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U-DO Burger posted:Mr 3 could make tons of wax and he was just a regular paramecia He can make wax, but he's not made of wax. Much as Luffy is made of rubber but cannot make rubber. Actually, considering, aren't logia all elemental? I don't think mochi counts as an element. So maybe that's why he's a paramecia; he's both made of and can create mochi, but that's not elemental so it gets classed as a paramecia.
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he can make it but he's not necessarily made of it. logia's can turn into their element though which paramecia's can't
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