Bad With Money 2018: When I die, bury me in the blockchain.

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SiGmA_X: May 3, 2004; SiGmA_X

TrueChaos posted:

What? Run aground at moderate speed, keelbolts will definitely snap, and then the keel goes away. Most people don't maintain / replace their keelbolts as frequently as the should, and this was a saltwater boat from the late 60's they bought for 5k. Of course the keelbolts weren't in good shape.

I thought keel bolts were known maintenance items. Its always something that comes up on various wood/fiberglass-surrounded-hole-in-water forums (& at the clubs). Its just something you have inspected/done when you get your ~bi annually pull out servicing done (but probably not on a $5k 50yo boat).

Either way that story is excellent. Compounding BWM makes the schadenfreude better.

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BonerGhost: Mar 9, 2007

silvergoose posted:

You did choose the word salty deliberately, right?

# ? Feb 11, 2018 00:04

Higgy: Jul 6, 2005; Grimey Drawer

It's so fitting for the BWM thread to have a boat maintenance derail that i'm not sure it's even a derail

# ? Feb 11, 2018 00:26

AreWeDrunkYet: Jul 8, 2006

22 Eargesplitten posted:

My sister-in-law and her girlfriend have a $400/mo loan on a new Honda Accord. My sister-in-law is making $17.50 and her girlfriend runs a delivery dispensary with what looks to be some pretty poor business practices.

It�s on the girlfriend�s mother�s credit since the girlfriend has no proof of income.

That sounds about right though? $23k for 5 years at today's auto loan rates come out to about $400/month. At $35k + [number] of income a year is not necessarily the most prudent choice but not particularly egregious or anything.

AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Feb 11, 2018

# ? Feb 11, 2018 00:37

BonerGhost: Mar 9, 2007

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

That sounds about right though? $23k for 5 years at today's auto loan rates come out to about $400/month. At $35k + [number] of income a year it not necessarily the most prudent choice but not particularly egregious or anything.

It's a perfect storm of idiocy, we just don't think it's that big a deal because it's a tornado and we're used to seeing category 5 hurricanes.

"California doesn't have common law marriage" posted:

We bought our house together 3 years ago (I put 5k down, he put 10k down, and he was gifted money from a friend to the tune of 20k to add to down payment). As of recently, his dispensery he opened gross profits like 13-20k a day minimum and he is accumulating wealth very quickly and he paid his friend back the 20k no problem. The house we bought he is selling once I move out and is worth a profit of over 100k now. I put a lot of physical labor in the house (I am the handyman) and did the kitchen tile, helped lay the laminate, did the bathroom floors etc, but I never imagined I'd catch him cheating on me and i have no plan B. We are unmarried, have no kids, and the house is in his name because we had planned to buy property before we got married so we could wait to consolidate our debts (he had more money and better credit much quicker than I did).

I have no idea what to do. We live in a relatively small town, so I'm moving in with a friend two states away in a big city to start new. I have been self employed as a graphic design artist and marketing image specialist (I also make decent money on fine arts) for about 2 years now, but I don't make money like he does and will need help. My credit is OK, but not amazing. I don't really have anything in savings at all because there was always an "us" until two weeks ago. After nearly a decade of being together and 7 years of living together, I feel it's fair to ask for some kind of compensation.

Thanks for reading and your advice in this difficult time.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 00:48

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

California recognizes palimony though.

E: and at first glance she rocks the criteria. She might have to go to court, but I�d bet on her prevailing with some meaningful portion of the assets in question.

Subjunctive fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Feb 11, 2018

# ? Feb 11, 2018 00:54

Youth Decay: Aug 18, 2015

First of all, why would you brag about being able to afford something from a dollar store?
Second of all, that's a debit card.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 01:35

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

I don�t see them bragging about being able to afford something at the dollar store. But even if they had, �decorating with dollar store stuff� doesn�t exactly seem like a BWM home run!

# ? Feb 11, 2018 01:43

OctaviusBeaver: Apr 30, 2009; Say what now?

You can make $13k/day by opening a weed store?!

# ? Feb 11, 2018 02:06

Virtue: Jan 7, 2009

OctaviusBeaver posted:

You can make $13k/day by opening a weed store?!

Weed is gwm

# ? Feb 11, 2018 03:59

22 Eargesplitten: Oct 10, 2010

That�s before operating expenses presumably, and you have to deal with huge amounts of cash.

My sister-in-law�s girlfriend wasn�t making anywhere near that. Apparently around there it�s a race to the bottom for prices. She said $2400-3600 per month, but I�ve got no idea if that�s before or after �supplies�, taxes, fuel, or what.

They�ve also got a $200/mo Sprint plan, and go through 20 grams a day.

Don�t get me wrong, I love them, they�re awesome, but really BWM. They also come from BWM parents who raised them with the idea that the point of having money is to show it off and buy expensive poo poo despite having next to no money most of their childhoods.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 04:43

SiGmA_X: May 3, 2004; SiGmA_X

Higgy posted:

It's so fitting for the BWM thread to have a boat maintenance derail that i'm not sure it's even a derail

I was looking for this:

And found this:

OctaviusBeaver posted:

You can make $13k/day by opening a weed store?!

Gross profit, that checks out.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 05:59

Spokes: Jan 9, 2010; Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!

Higgy posted:

It's so fitting for the BWM thread to have a boat maintenance derail that i'm not sure it's even a derail

I was really hoping for a "it is a boat analogy" emoticon but this is very, very close

# ? Feb 11, 2018 09:51

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Don�t get me wrong, I love them, they�re awesome, but really BWM. They also come from BWM parents who raised them with the idea that the point of having money is to show it off and buy expensive poo poo despite having next to no money most of their childhoods.

This is pretty much all poor people who in some way come into money, it's not like they teach you economics in school or anything, you have to learn it from parents

# ? Feb 11, 2018 10:14

BEHOLD: MY CAPE: Jan 11, 2004

Youth Decay posted:

First of all, why would you brag about being able to afford something from a dollar store?
Second of all, that's a debit card.

This entire post is an MLM advertisement, Younique is a dumb MLM

# ? Feb 11, 2018 13:27

22 Eargesplitten: Oct 10, 2010

mandatory lesbian posted:

This is pretty much all poor people who in some way come into money, it's not like they teach you economics in school or anything, you have to learn it from parents

Seriously, it's sad. And the person they try to use as a financial role model, because she's the most successful, is the girlfriend's mother. Who bought a brand new 4 bedroom house with <5% down a year or two ago, has two new-ish S-Class Mercedes, a ski-doo type thing, and apparently a ton of credit card debt. As a single mother of three (thankfully two out of the house). Even the girlfriend laughed and says that her mother isn't rich, she just puts everything on credit. And she doesn't see the problem with that.

Still less sad mental health wise than my other sister-in-law (this one from my wife's adopted family, rather than birth family). I think I might have mentioned her here before. She's basically half a hoarder now. She grew up dirt poor and my brother in law makes oilfield money. She refuses to use hand-me-downs or buy used clothes, she buys new baby stuff for each baby rather than reusing it. She's buying stuff constantly. They were living with my in-laws for a couple years (partially trying to get oilfield work up in CO, partially him flying to and from Texas every couple weeks). By the time they left, it turns out she had bought so much poo poo that their huge walk-in closet was stuffed full. After they left, my in-laws were sorting through all of the crap left behind in that closet and their living room was just multiple 3-4 foot tall piles of clothes and a bunch of electronics and stuff. This is even after my sister-in-law gave away multiple full sized hefty bags of clothing away to my wife and presumably other people. It's like she doesn't feel the need to own stuff, she just feels like she needs to prove she can buy stuff now.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 17:50

therobit: Aug 19, 2008; I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Seriously, it's sad. And the person they try to use as a financial role model, because she's the most successful, is the girlfriend's mother. Who bought a brand new 4 bedroom house with <5% down a year or two ago, has two new-ish S-Class Mercedes, a ski-doo type thing, and apparently a ton of credit card debt. As a single mother of three (thankfully two out of the house). Even the girlfriend laughed and says that her mother isn't rich, she just puts everything on credit. And she doesn't see the problem with that.

Still less sad mental health wise than my other sister-in-law (this one from my wife's adopted family, rather than birth family). I think I might have mentioned her here before. She's basically half a hoarder now. She grew up dirt poor and my brother in law makes oilfield money. She refuses to use hand-me-downs or buy used clothes, she buys new baby stuff for each baby rather than reusing it. She's buying stuff constantly. They were living with my in-laws for a couple years (partially trying to get oilfield work up in CO, partially him flying to and from Texas every couple weeks). By the time they left, it turns out she had bought so much poo poo that their huge walk-in closet was stuffed full. After they left, my in-laws were sorting through all of the crap left behind in that closet and their living room was just multiple 3-4 foot tall piles of clothes and a bunch of electronics and stuff. This is even after my sister-in-law gave away multiple full sized hefty bags of clothing away to my wife and presumably other people. It's like she doesn't feel the need to own stuff, she just feels like she needs to prove she can buy stuff now.

My father in law grew up in a family with 5 kids and not much money. A pot of Folgers gets like a scoop of grounds type of not much money. On top of that he has a disability and was told to always follow after his older brother in school and life. And of course the older brother was the golden boy who took the best of whay little there was. To this day my father in law won't eat peanut butter because it reminds him of his upbringing.

My father in law had done OK for himself as a skilled blue collar worker, but because he constantly felt deprived and scorned as a child he buys every drat thing he wants, when he wants it. In the past it had caused them financial trouble but he had slowed down a little (he's 70) and also has started to out-earn his debt. I'm not sure how long that is going to last though as he has to retire sometime. We are planning on probably having to build a granny flat for my in laws to live in eventually.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 18:07

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

For some people,the act of buying/obtaining is an addictive feeling hence why they shop compulsively and hoard stuff. It isn't so much the utility of using the things, but the rush from getting them in the first place.

In terms of poor people being BWM with wealth signifiers, a lot of times a person that grew up poor knows the things that made them look poor, so when they want to feel not-poor they tend to lean on the most ostentatious displays of wealth. True wealth, such as having practical assets (a paid off house, good health coverage, decent emergency fund) aren't really that visible to everyday people. But a new shiny car, brand named products, and other really explicitly visible displays are much more tangible to them.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 18:34

Droo: Jun 25, 2003

I included some of his replies since that's where most of the whining is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/7wu2t2/my_parents_are_screwed_retirement_and_by/

quote:

My parents are screwed (retirement) and by extension so am I.

Not going go into huge details. But we live paycheck to paycheck. My father took what he had from his 401k to survive ( it was only like 5000$usd so not like it was a big deal) problem is my dad is 60 and currently a taxi driver.

He's aging and getting go the point where he won't be able to work. And its not like he can just get a normal job. Mom is 53 and works min wage. Both poor immigrants. Don't know what I'm going to do.
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My mom has social security but she makes so little it will only total to under 500$ USD a month. And lol at "get a good job" without the right connections or being top % in your field this is practically impossible.
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Well I recently failed out of college so I'm just very jaded with the whole educational experience.
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Yup. This is the reality most poor people live in. And people wonder why so many people feel so hopeless or turn to crime.
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Yeah cause its soo simple. Usually only the smartest people with money even have a chance at making it in a in demand field. I already failed out of college and have student loan debt.
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I already have an associates essentially in terms of college credits. But that doesn't matter. Jobs dont pay enough. Taxes and health care cost are the insane. If you're not making 6 figures your better of making 20k a year than 40 or 30.

So, his parents came here illegally but got citizenship in the 90's anyway, but continued to cheat on taxes because LoL taxes, kid was on medicaid which paid for surgery on a leg he broke but still complains about taxes being too high here even though he is mad that the government won't give his parents more money to retire.

Edit: lol new comment, a normal job is basically just a big pyramid scheme anyway guys

quote:

Trust me I know about these housekeeping business people.

Some people make that much. But it is extremely competitive. Especially now with those apps that let u find the cheapest housekeeper.

Some people make that much but when my mom did it she only got paid min wage. Now she works as a home health aid and that's also min wage.

All the people in the housekeeping business usually only get their own people for work. The ones running the show yeah they make good money. But the workers still don't make much. Its not much different than a pyramid scheme.

But again, taxes and health care cost kill earnings.

Droo fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Feb 11, 2018

# ? Feb 11, 2018 18:55

Motronic: Nov 6, 2009

Ex Wife Didn�t File Taxes For Last 3 Years, Now I Owe The IRS Over $100,000

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/7wstg4/ex_wife_didnt_file_taxes_for_last_3_years_now_i/

quote:

I�ll spare you the long, drawn out version but some details I have to divulge so you (the reader) isn�t lost in the fray.

Before Facebook made so many algorithm changes, I had a very lucrative business where I posted news articles on my website, pushed the link to around 3.5 million followers, and watched the money roll in. Business was great. I averaged anywhere from $18,000 - $30,000 per month in revenue from advertisers and averaged around 14 million page views per month.

In July of last year, Facebook made some major changes and it killed the reach of my pages. I mean, I went from hundreds of thousands of page views per day down to less than 100,000. This is all part of Facebook�s pay-to-play strategy for business pages. Want your content to be seen? Get ready to pay up in huge chunks, but don�t expect to make any return on your investment and you�ll be lucky to break even.

I had been with my wife going on 10 years. We had a great marriage, or so I and everyone else thought. She managed our finances and we never had a problem.

Well, lo and behold, when the money ran out back in August 2017, that�s when she decided she was done with our marriage (or at least let me know) but not before telling me that she hadn�t saved a dime and tax returns haven�t been filed since 2015.

Everytime I asked her if she was putting money aside to pay taxes, she would say that she had everything under control and to let her handle it. I trusted her...albeit far too much it would seem.

In 2015 and 2016 I made somewhere around $220,000 each year. Last year, probably around $125,000.

In December I had a major meltdown and attempted suicide. I swallowed 52 of the 20mg Adderall pills I was prescribed for A.D.D. with the hope that it would put me in coma. That didn�t happen. What DID happen is I spent a night in the ER and the medication had me so hopped up that I couldn�t sleep for 40 hours straight. Following a night in the ER, I was admitted to a psychiatric hospital for a week.

Assets? It would be great if I had some.

Since September I have sold nearly everything I own to survive and pay bills. I�ve been living with family until 3-4 weeks ago when I moved down to Houston and took a job as a quality inspector. I�m working a $23/hr job and there is no way in hell I will ever be able to pay that kind of money she left me owing the IRS. I�m a 40-year-old man with barely more than the clothes on his back and renting a bedroom in a stranger�s home for $625/mo.

I plan to speak with the IRS in the coming week and tell them everything. Aside from that, I don�t have the slightest idea of what I�m going to do.

What in God�s name am I to do at this point?

From the comments:

quote:

lulzoiaf
1518 points an hour ago
Today:

quote:
Since September I have sold nearly everything I own to survive and pay bills. I�ve been living with family until 3-4 weeks ago when I moved down to Houston and took a job as a quality inspector. I�m working a $23/hr job and there is no way in hell I will ever be able to pay that kind of money she left me owing the IRS. I�m a 40-year-old man with barely more than the clothes on his back and renting a bedroom in a stranger�s home for $625/mo.

One month ago:

quote:
My Alienware Area 51 arrived today and here are the inner workings. From the dual GTX 1080 Ti video cards in SLI, a liquid cooled Intel 7980XE, Samsung 1TB SSD and 32GB of Kingston HyperX DDR4 ram it is ready to slaughter any game or video editing software on the market. (i.redd.it)

PC - $6450

It will be paired with an Alienware 34� monitor that set me back another $1250

Something does not add up. OP is either lying or very irresponsible.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 19:13

Blinkman987: Jul 10, 2008; Gender roles guilt me into being fat.

Panfilo posted:

For some people,the act of buying/obtaining is an addictive feeling hence why they shop compulsively and hoard stuff. It isn't so much the utility of using the things, but the rush from getting them in the first place.

In terms of poor people being BWM with wealth signifiers, a lot of times a person that grew up poor knows the things that made them look poor, so when they want to feel not-poor they tend to lean on the most ostentatious displays of wealth. True wealth, such as having practical assets (a paid off house, good health coverage, decent emergency fund) aren't really that visible to everyday people. But a new shiny car, brand named products, and other really explicitly visible displays are much more tangible to them.

On the other side, I have some friends who are basically tier 3/tier 4 "rich kids of China" and they all live off their parent's money. They have no idea what it's like to not have money and their parents, who do know what it's like, are more interested in indulging their every want. The one who's been recently cut off from her mother's money luckily has a decent job, but now she has no idea how finances work but is trying to learn. Luckily financial problems are easier to solve when it's "just don't party like your friends do anymore" and not "triple your income." Their parents have done their children a horrible disservice. Since they're the child's job and emergency fund, if anything goes wrong their kids are going to be completely lost.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 20:25

n8r: Jul 3, 2003; I helped Lowtax become a cyborg and all I got was this lousy avatar

MLM Debt busting - this is brilliant and insane at the same time:
https://www.advocare.com/get-started/become-a-distributor/debtbuster

# ? Feb 11, 2018 20:44

Guest2553: Aug 3, 2012

Blinkman987 posted:

On the other side, I have some friends who are basically tier 3/tier 4 "rich kids of China" and they all live off their parent's money. They have no idea what it's like to not have money and their parents, who do know what it's like, are more interested in indulging their every want. The one who's been recently cut off from her mother's money luckily has a decent job, but now she has no idea how finances work but is trying to learn. Luckily financial problems are easier to solve when it's "just don't party like your friends do anymore" and not "triple your income." Their parents have done their children a horrible disservice. Since they're the child's job and emergency fund, if anything goes wrong their kids are going to be completely lost.

Talking to westerners who've worked in Saudi Arabia is peak BWM anecdotes. Jewel encrusted things and the Palm Islands were normal oil-money inspired excesses, but I wouldn't have imagined robot camel jockeys.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 20:59

tomapot: Apr 7, 2005; Suppose you're thinkin' about a plate o' shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconciousness.; Oven Wrangler

n8r posted:

MLM Debt busting - this is brilliant and insane at the same time:
https://www.advocare.com/get-started/become-a-distributor/debtbuster

Wait, is this �get out of debt so you can by more our our crap�?

# ? Feb 11, 2018 21:02

Moneyball: Jul 11, 2005; It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

Guest2553 posted:

Talking to westerners who've worked in Saudi Arabia is peak BWM anecdotes. Jewel encrusted things and the Palm Islands were normal oil-money inspired excesses, but I wouldn't have imagined robot camel jockeys.

One of my favorite images ever

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# ? Feb 11, 2018 21:04

Haifisch: Nov 13, 2010; Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!; Taco Defender

Droo posted:

I included some of his replies since that's where most of the whining is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/7wu2t2/my_parents_are_screwed_retirement_and_by/

So, his parents came here illegally but got citizenship in the 90's anyway, but continued to cheat on taxes because LoL taxes, kid was on medicaid which paid for surgery on a leg he broke but still complains about taxes being too high here even though he is mad that the government won't give his parents more money to retire.

Edit: lol new comment, a normal job is basically just a big pyramid scheme anyway guys

quote:

[�]tea_and_honey 8 points 2 hours ago
all the low cost of living areas pay even less money and you are expected to own a car since public transport sucks most places.

I think you need to get out of your NYC bubble. There are plenty of places all over the country with public transportation that have far lower cost of living. NYC has the highest cost of living in the country, so moving literally anywhere else would bring that down.

quote:
I don't have family anywhere else so if I get injured and lose a job I'll be homeless with no resources.

Most of us live far from family (or don't have family) and yet we manage just fine. That's why having savings/emergency funds is so important - you have to plan for things that might go wrong.

quote:
most places with low cost of living are so racist.

I get the sense that when you say "low cost of living" you are only thinking about areas like the rural south.

[�]Notareg[S] -1 points 2 hours ago
I went to school upstate NY aswell. I know there's low COL. But anywhere there u really need a car. I've already been injured multiple times and needed my mom to take care of me. If I'm somewhere that no one can help take care of me if I get hurt idk what I would do.

NYC is expensive but the convenience of not having to drive and all the options for free and cheap food helps alot. Also helps I live in a rent controlled project building. But sadly I would never be able to afford to move out and get accepted onto a new lease in a building.

Yes, they're obviously wrong because upstate New York is the only alternative to living in NYC. The only one. In the entire US.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 21:22

BonerGhost: Mar 9, 2007

Guest2553 posted:

Talking to westerners who've worked in Saudi Arabia is peak BWM anecdotes. Jewel encrusted things and the Palm Islands were normal oil-money inspired excesses, but I wouldn't have imagined robot camel jockeys.

I'd much rather they use robots than selling small children into slavery and starvation to be light enough to go fast on a camel. Racing an animal for their own amusement isn't great, but I'm willing to bet these guys take pretty good care of the camels.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 21:24

Krispy Wafer: Jul 26, 2002; I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat; Grimey Drawer

Motronic posted:

Ex Wife Didn�t File Taxes For Last 3 Years, Now I Owe The IRS Over $100,000

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/7wstg4/ex_wife_didnt_file_taxes_for_last_3_years_now_i/

From the comments:

One month ago:

Something does not add up. OP is either lying or very irresponsible.

[/quote]

I would be in a constant state of terror if my whole livelihood depended on the fleeting generosity of a free social media platform.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 21:56

Thesaurus: Oct 3, 2004

Krispy Wafer posted:

I would be in a constant state of terror if my whole livelihood depended on the fleeting generosity of a free social media platform.

the constant terror might be somewhat counterbalanced by earning $30,000/month

when i first read it my brain automatically removed a zero

# ? Feb 11, 2018 22:23

SiGmA_X: May 3, 2004; SiGmA_X

Krispy Wafer posted:

I would be in a constant state of terror if my whole livelihood depended on the fleeting generosity of a free social media platform.

Eh. That's what a sizable emergency fund is for. The guy obviously has some tech/marketing skills, and he pulled down ~$550k in the last 3yrs. What worries me more is that he didn't look at his finances at all in over 2yrs, didn't realize he didn't file a tax return or have a penny in savings, and blames his wife for it.

Note to all people with joint finances: budget meetings are a thing, do it! Same with people who are married but have mostly separate finances!

SiGmA_X fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Feb 11, 2018

# ? Feb 11, 2018 23:42

Motronic: Nov 6, 2009

Thesaurus posted:

when i first read it my brain automatically removed a zero

As it should, because that was very obviously not sustainable.

# ? Feb 11, 2018 23:54

Porfiriato: Jan 4, 2016

Motronic posted:

Ex Wife Didn�t File Taxes For Last 3 Years, Now I Owe The IRS Over $100,000

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/7wstg4/ex_wife_didnt_file_taxes_for_last_3_years_now_i/

Wow, Drew Curtis has really fallen on some hard times.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 00:51

Elephanthead: Sep 11, 2008; Toilet Rascal

Pet Cheetahs are good with money. You get free cheetos.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 01:03

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Moneyball posted:

One of my favorite images ever

When you get your tax return and start buying unnecessary poo poo.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 01:12

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Weirdly enough, cheetahs apparently may have a bottlenecked gene pool from being kept captive for so long historically.

And on a cuter note, they're so high-strung that zoos often now have dogs hang out with them to chill them out.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 08:18

Budgie: Mar 9, 2007; Yeah, like the bird.

n8r posted:

MLM Debt busting - this is brilliant and insane at the same time:
https://www.advocare.com/get-started/become-a-distributor/debtbuster

There is some good advice here, pity it has been sprinkled over a MLM pyramid.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 12:26

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Considering how much I like to pet normal cats until they lose their patience and attack me, I'm not sure I'd ever want a cat that's even bigger and more high-strung.

Inescapable Duck posted:

And on a cuter note, they're so high-strung that zoos often now have dogs hang out with them to chill them out.

More importantly, there are videos of this on youtube that you can watch.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 14:32

Krispy Wafer: Jul 26, 2002; I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat; Grimey Drawer

Ever wonder how MLM's work in areas where human rights are...inconsistent?

https://www.economist.com/news/china/21736182-crackdowns-may-not-be-working-pyramid-schemes-cause-huge-social-harm-china

quote:

Many perfectly legal companies try to boost morale by getting staff to sing company songs or organising awaydays. China�s business cults, however, combine such techniques with violence. Zhang Chao was a 25-year-old who was trying to break away from an illegal MLM company outside the northern port city of Tianjin. He was found dead from heatstroke, dumped at the side of a road by colleagues. In another case, Cheng Cuiying and his wife walked for two days to Tianjin to rescue their son from an MLM business. They found him drowned in a lake. People were arrested in connection with both deaths. But the firms, and the money, disappeared.

Late-stage capitialism will be marked by Lularoe whistleblowers strangled to death by their donut leggings.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 15:24