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I always felt like Daphne was downgraded to fit the romance plot. Her introduction was great. One remark from Martin and she clocks the tension. Makes a couple jabs at Frasier and starts charming Martin. He's the patient so she gets the job. Bullshits Frasier to make the position live-in. I thought it was a great introduction. Then eventually the writers start playing the obliviousness straight and all that. Like, really? Ideally, they would've played it like low-key 'settling' but with a rich dude. Accretionist fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Feb 12, 2018 |
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They had to bend both her and Niles' characters into knots to make them even remotely believable as a couple. Not to mention bending space time around them to make their former spouses the worst people ever so we wouldn't have to think what they did was terrible.
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Feb 12, 2018 01:06
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The Wonder Weapon posted:This is a racial slur in the same vein as any other. Not as incendiary, of course, but still the same thing. Probably don't want to just toss that around willy nilly unless you're used to using real colorful language for your black and Chinese friends. Someone's never been to the wop lobster
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Feb 12, 2018 01:13
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And apparently Italians and Spaniards are a race now. It's neat what you can learn about your own heritage online!
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Feb 12, 2018 01:28
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You still shouldn't have said what you said.
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Feb 12, 2018 02:34
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Solice Kirsk posted:Dago Denny's is awesome. Solice Kirsk posted:And apparently Italians and Spaniards are a race now. It's neat what you can learn about your own heritage online! The Wonder Weapon posted:This is a racial slur in the same vein as any other. Not as incendiary, of course, but still the same thing. Probably don't want to just toss that around willy nilly unless you're used to using real colorful language for your black and Chinese friends. Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:You still shouldn't have said what you said. You bad, BAD boy you. Better call Officer Nasty in on this dude. https://imgur.com/a/Csk1V Odd, there's not a clip of this scene on YT (that I could find). Frasier is interviewing a stripper for Donnie's bachelor party, and handcuffs himself to her in the bathroom. What season was that anyway? I'm wanting to say 7 or 8.
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Feb 12, 2018 02:50
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:You still shouldn't have said what you said. Yeah, we can all agree with that.
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Feb 12, 2018 02:53
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Solice Kirsk posted:They had to bend both her and Niles' characters into knots to make them even remotely believable as a couple. Not to mention bending space time around them to make their former spouses the worst people ever so we wouldn't have to think what they did was terrible. Though iirc, they were building up both of them as being a lot more screwed up than they seemed from their introductions, weren't they?
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Feb 12, 2018 08:10
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Inescapable Duck posted:Though iirc, they were building up both of them as being a lot more screwed up than they seemed from their introductions, weren't they? Donny was portrayed pretty well, I don't remember any major flaws of his. Mel was portrayed as female Niles, but somehow even moreso, so she came across a lot worse, particularly when she made him jump through hoops for a simple divorce.
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Feb 12, 2018 08:18
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It's outright said at some point that she's Maris all over again. (then again, Maris did seem like a more exaggerated female Niles as well)
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Feb 12, 2018 08:23
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Mel was exactly like Frasier and Niles, as far as they ever showed. The only difference is they didn't light up the "laugh" sign when she acted like a pompous rear end in a top hat. Frasier said she was Maris all over again because she told Niles to run for corkmaster and he beat Frasier. But it's already known that I'm literally the only person in the world that is on Team Mel. I think the entire series would have been a lot better if they had just had Daphne stick to her decision to not get together and dragged out the tension between them for another 3 seasons. The end of their marriages could have grown a lot more naturally (maybe Donny works too much and ignores Daphne, Mel's craziness could have had time to naturally surface) and Daphne/Niles characters could have changed more so that they would actually be believable as a couple.
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Feb 12, 2018 14:43
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Solice Kirsk posted:Mel was exactly like Frasier and Niles, as far as they ever showed. The only difference is they didn't light up the "laugh" sign when she acted like a pompous rear end in a top hat. Frasier said she was Maris all over again because she told Niles to run for corkmaster and he beat Frasier. Mel was a bit unhinged but they did an absolutely awful job of making her villainous. The parts were all there, but they didn't execute, which is really jarring since the writing up to that point was usually great. I felt bad for her.
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Feb 12, 2018 15:10
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Not a Children posted:I felt bad for her. Same here, honestly. She had literally just gotten married and then finds out that her husband never really loved her at all shortly afterwards. That's super hosed up.
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Feb 12, 2018 15:24
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Donnie's craziness is all post facto with him wanting to sue Daphne and Frasier for breach of contract and wanting to get married immediately again to get over Daphne but never actually getting over her
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Feb 12, 2018 16:29
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The worst part of Mel was that she was honestly perfect for Niles and he’d have had more or less the life he always wanted if she’d been his real wife because he’d be the most influential and eternally youthful man in Seattle. But pip-pip bums your knickers or whatever and here we are.
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Feb 12, 2018 16:41
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Mel was the barrier that stood between us and Daphne's family, and her downfall brought about a reign of bleak chaos.
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Feb 12, 2018 17:28
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reminder that mel bullies niles into unnecessary cosmetic surgery in literally the scene she is introduced
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Solice Kirsk posted:Mel was exactly like Frasier and Niles, as far as they ever showed. The only difference is they didn't light up the "laugh" sign when she acted like a pompous rear end in a top hat. this whole show is like ten seasons of watching frasier and niles get dunked on by literally everyone tho when their pompousness eventually earns their comeuppance whose consequences range from: terrifically failed dinner parties, driving away dates, friends & family, depression about getting beaten at chess by your dad, etc - the show doesn't really have that much of double standard here
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Feb 12, 2018 18:48
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food court bailiff posted:reminder that mel bullies niles into unnecessary cosmetic surgery in literally the scene she is introduced Not to mention he got a mole removed because he still didn't have the courage to ask out her out. I think that's more on him than her. Suggesting she could get rid of lines on his forehead and him agreeing is because he was afraid to ask her out and is a push over, not because she's a bully. He's still a push over when he dates Daphne. It's pretty much his dominant (heh) trait.
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Feb 12, 2018 20:22
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I think I've only seen it once, but I remember squirming pretty hard through the episode where Niles and Daphne are trying to come up with pet names for each other. I think one of them was locked on the roof?
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Big City Drinkin posted:I think I've only seen it once, but I remember squirming pretty hard through the episode where Niles and Daphne are trying to come up with pet names for each other. I think one of them was locked on the roof? I like to think that a few episodes before the whole shipping of niles and daphne starts, niles gets hit by frasiers car and goes into a coma. The last few seasons are just his fever dream. Frasier leaving Seattle symbolises him finally letting go and subsequent death
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Feb 13, 2018 15:48
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There's that episode where Daphne is building that shelf for Martin and Niles says she's worse than his dad. She's his dad. He married his dad. That's their chemistry.
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Feb 13, 2018 15:54
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Skratte posted:There's that episode where Daphne is building that shelf for Martin and Niles says she's worse than his dad. She's his dad. He married his dad. That's their chemistry. Well to be fair he chose between marrying himself and marrying his dad, so I think he made the right choice
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Feb 13, 2018 15:55
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Mel liked Niles for all his worst characteristics and wanted him to double down on them. She was perfect for season one Niles.
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Feb 13, 2018 16:07
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Make toast Think about the scourge that is toast sweat Remember John Mahoney died Feel sad Watch Frasier
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I'm trying to think of any growth that Niles or Daphne went through after getting together. The only thing I remember is Niles going through that naked phase.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm trying to think of any growth that Niles or Daphne went through after getting together. The only thing I remember is Niles going through that naked phase. Daphne calls out Niles on idolizing her and also respecting her beliefs and Niles stops loving Daphne for who he thought she was and starts loving her for who she really is, a psychic psycho bad cook
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Feb 13, 2018 18:08
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Good YouTuber Binging with Babish made a Frasier based episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwS_DIMeVoM
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Solice Kirsk posted:I'm trying to think of any growth that Niles or Daphne went through after getting together. They do kinda grow, unfortunately they just grow into more boring people.
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Sir Lemming posted:They do kinda grow, unfortunately they just grow into more boring people. So you're saying they got married.
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Feb 13, 2018 18:42
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Beachcomber posted:So you're saying they got married. Mercy!
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Feb 13, 2018 18:55
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been a little bit since this was reposted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP1JQGAyzmc
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WampaLord posted:Good YouTuber Binging with Babish made a Frasier based episode What is up with you americans and your jewish salt. It's not like you specify the spiritual beliefs of the other ingredients
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Feb 13, 2018 18:59
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Put some kosher salt on this sunni chicken and watch sparks fly
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ditty bout my clitty posted:What is up with you americans and your jewish salt. It's not like you specify the spiritual beliefs of the other ingredients Kosher salt is better because it has bigger flakes, giving it more surface area, which helps absorb moisture.  It's just called kosher salt because Jewish people developed it.
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WampaLord posted:Kosher salt is better because it has bigger flakes, giving it more surface area, which helps absorb moisture. 
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WampaLord posted:bigger flakes, giving it more surface area lol
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Feb 13, 2018 19:10
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Sea salt or get the hell out.
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Am I wrong?
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Mohelin would be a good name for a Jewish wizard.
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