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What is the first movie to show blood as if on the camera lens? The earliest Hollywood feature I've seen (Prime Cut, 1972) was slightly predated by the 2nd Lone Wolf And Cub movie (Baby Cart at the River Styx, also 1972). Using IMDb keyword search, the results say that El Topo (1970) and Four Flies on Grey Velvet (1971) both have shots of blood on the camera lens, but I've seen neither. Are there other notable early examples of this?
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Jan 31, 2018 21:03
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Not a movie question but can anyone explain why the miniseries Band of Brothers has the first episode's writing credits listed as "Teleplay by" whereas every other episode in the series uses "Written by"?
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Jan 31, 2018 21:20
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Sand Monster posted:Not a movie question but can anyone explain why the miniseries Band of Brothers has the first episode's writing credits listed as "Teleplay by" whereas every other episode in the series uses "Written by"? In television, episodes are split up into "story by" and "teleplay by" credits when there's a split among the two roles; a writer may have developed the story but not worked on the actual script, or have come up with the story and then worked on the actual script, but was not the sole person on the latter. "Written by" is used when the story and script are both produced by the same entity or entities. You see this a lot in movies, too; a notorious example (because of the fuckery that led to it) is Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, which has its credits read "Story by Leonard Nimoy & Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal; Screenplay by Nicholas Meyer and Denny Martin Flinn." EDIT: Okay, I just looked up Band of Brothers and there's no story credit on the first episode, just teleplay. It's possible they used "teleplay by" because Hanks wasn't a WGA member or something. Timby fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jan 31, 2018 |
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Jan 31, 2018 21:22
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Timby posted:In television, episodes are split up into "story by" and "teleplay by" credits when there's a split among the two roles; a writer may have developed the story but not worked on the actual script, or have come up with the story and then worked on the actual script, but was not the sole person on the latter. It’s odd that they used “written by”, because for films that is used for an original story, whereas an adaptation from another work like BoB the book would get a “screenplay by” or “teleplay by”. Oh! Maybe the first episode hewed so closely to the facts that it got teleplay, but the ones thereafter were more fictionalised?
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Jan 31, 2018 22:37
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therattle posted:Oh! Maybe the first episode hewed so closely to the facts that it got teleplay, but the ones thereafter were more fictionalised? I doubt this is it. I recently read the book by Ambrose that the series was adapted from, and the ten episodes of the miniseries essentially just follow his plot and structure (e.g. Lipton is featured heavily in the Bastogne chapter, and his character narrates the episode; the chapters/episodes also share the same titles in most cases, i.e. "Replacements", "Bastogne", "The Breaking Point"). Many scenes from the miniseries are nearly exactly as he describes them in the book.
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Jan 31, 2018 22:55
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Sand Monster posted:I doubt this is it. I recently read the book by Ambrose that the series was adapted from, and the ten episodes of the miniseries essentially just follow his plot and structure (e.g. Lipton is featured heavily in the Bastogne chapter, and his character narrates the episode; the chapters/episodes also share the same titles in most cases, i.e. "Replacements", "Bastogne", "The Breaking Point"). Many scenes from the miniseries are nearly exactly as he describes them in the book. Ok, I doubt that’s it either then! In that case I have no idea.
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Jan 31, 2018 23:09
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Also rotoing is used if you use an image shot on green and you want to insert it into a shot. Tracking isn’t always perfect on things like hair and you have to use frame by frame roto work to make it look right when inserted into another scene. Roto work is hard and long but does wonders
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Feb 1, 2018 04:11
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How do movie studios decide how to dispose of props, wardrobe, and things like deleted scenes or extra footage shot? Who decides what gets saved and what gets tossed?
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Feb 1, 2018 19:59
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SimonCat posted:How do movie studios decide how to dispose of props, wardrobe, and things like deleted scenes or extra footage shot? At least during the pre-1970s era... Props and wardrobe were usually kept indefinitely since they could be used and re-used. That's why the dental tools in Little Shop of Horrors turned up in Dead Ringers. Deleted scenes would be cannibalized. In the case of Sunset Blvd. and the '54 Star is Born, anything without the stars (like second unit stuff) ended up in stock footage libraries. The DVD of Sunset Blvd. actually had a reconstruction of the original opening scene since everything except parts of shots where you could actually see William Holden's face survived in pristine shape. Sometimes there were exceptions just by chance. Deleted footage sometimes survived only because a dupe, fine-grain, or color separations were made prior to a final cut and no one knew about them until someone tried to make a print from these elements. The preview cut of Touch of Evil and workprint cut of Blade Runner were flukes because they were mislabeled as just regular theatrical prints.
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Feb 1, 2018 22:56
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And of course, the end of Blade Runner used footage from the beginning of the Shining.
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Feb 1, 2018 23:36
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There are also independent companies that have warehouses full of stuff that they lease out to movie productions. Image search has fun pictures: https://www.google.com/search?q=prop+warehouse&tbm=isch
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Feb 2, 2018 09:51
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Egbert Souse posted:That's why the dental tools in Little Shop of Horrors turned up in Dead Ringers. Hahaha, that rules
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Feb 2, 2018 10:56
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There's also a fake newspaper prop that's been used for the last 30 years. https://reelrundown.com/film-industry/Same-newspaper-prop-in-different-movies Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Feb 2, 2018 |
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Feb 2, 2018 15:06
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SimonCat posted:How do movie studios decide how to dispose of props, wardrobe, and things like deleted scenes or extra footage shot? Unfortunately there's no one clear answer to that. Like Krankenstyle said - a lot of generic props for bigger productions that are near film hubs will use prop houses or wardrobe houses. Once production is done, they're just returned. Prop/Wardrobe wise: A *lot* of props will be sold off. Most movies I've worked on (granted this is the $5M and under budgets) they will have a prop sale at the end. General cast and crew can just walk into a makeshift warehouse space and buy stuff. This helps the production recoup costs. Bigger props like, say, a crashed and mangled car are often left behind and they just find a "please you can have it for free just take it off our hands" recipient. More specialized props that aren't generic set dressing will likely be kept by various crew as mementos. On bigger productions, they'll take most of it and either destroy it or store it. Often it will get sold at auction. Here's a prop auction house where you can find some cool and totally not even close to cheap stuff: http://www.thepropgallery.com/all-pieces As for deleted scenes and extra footage. That's never disposed of anymore (well for the most part). Since everything is digital - it's basically just kept in cold storage. It's rarely, if ever, re-used like the old days. Unless it's an intentional easter egg or something.
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Feb 2, 2018 15:53
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The Peccadillo posted:Hahaha, that rules One example of a reused prop that for some reason always sticks with me is the military field helmets and vests from Starship Troopers winding up in a random episode of Firefly.
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Feb 2, 2018 16:05
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Someone I know works in a costume shop that buys in bulk from productions, apparently one of Daniel Stern's tar-splattered coats from Home Alone is a frequent rental for Les Miz
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Feb 2, 2018 16:24
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A *LOT* of street-wearable costumes will just get outright stolen by actors who will yell at anyone who calls them out on it, and tell the producers not to hire them on their next film.
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Feb 2, 2018 19:01
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William Shatner and Nichelle Nichols both walked off with their hairpieces from Star Trek: The Original Series.
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Feb 2, 2018 19:07
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I ask the question because of a story from the making of Escape from L. A. John Carpenter wanted Snake Plissken to show up wearing the same clothes he had one in Escape from New York, but didn't know what had become of the costume. Turned out that Kurt Russell had kept it and it was in his closet. I suppose it's easier just to make new costumes for each new movie as the previous film's might not match the new film's aesthetic, but it's funny how Logan's jacket keeps changing between the first 3 X-men movies and Origins, even though it's supposed to by the same coat.
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Feb 2, 2018 23:28
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After making Citizen Kane one of the dudes from the prop department just kept the cane which is why it looks totally different in Citizen Kane part II: Rosebud Takes Manhattan because they had to make a new one.
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Feb 3, 2018 00:28
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FreudianSlippers posted:After making Citizen Kane one of the dudes from the prop department just kept the cane which is why it looks totally different in Citizen Kane part II: Rosebud Takes Manhattan because they had to make a new one. To be fair it would have been hard to fit all the grenades into the original cane.
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Feb 3, 2018 00:43
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More re-uses: A bunch of sets from Metropolis turn up in Woman in the Moon, made two years later like Joh Frederson's office and the cavern. The Spanish version of Dracula '31 has a few shots taken from outtakes of the silent Phantom of the Opera. Roger Corman's The Masque of Red Death was shot largely on leftover sets from Becket. Both A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum and Life of Brian used abandoned exterior sets from The Fall of the Roman Empire, built in Madrid, Spain.
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Feb 3, 2018 01:07
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A bunch of real life dentistry equipment uses some game console as its "docking station"
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Feb 3, 2018 01:25
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One of my favorites is how the mansion set from The Magnificent Ambersons in reused in Cat People.
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Feb 3, 2018 01:26
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A really odd one is how the PKE meters from Ghostbusters show up in They Live of all places.
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Feb 3, 2018 01:47
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SimonCat posted:A really odd one is how the PKE meters from Ghostbusters show up in They Live of all places. Suburban Commando, too.
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Feb 3, 2018 02:04
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Krankenstyle posted:A bunch of real life dentistry equipment uses some game console as its "docking station" That’ll be the Atari Jaguar, they bought the molds.
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Feb 3, 2018 03:26
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Speaking of Citizen Kane, some of the jungle shots are from King Kong. And King Kong shared jungle sets with The Most Dangerous Game.
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Feb 3, 2018 04:11
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The big wall from King Kong is one of the many sets burned to the ground for Gone With The Wind.
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Feb 3, 2018 04:59
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Timby posted:William Shatner and Nichelle Nichols both walked off with their hairpieces from Star Trek: The Original Series. Chris Pratt stole an entire Star Lord costume from the first Guardians of the Galaxy because he wanted to have a costume so he could do charity/visit sick kids.
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Feb 3, 2018 17:03
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Someone stole the Spiderman suit that cost like 100k to make and literally only fits Toby McGuire.
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Feb 3, 2018 17:10
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Krispy Wafer posted:Someone stole the Spiderman suit that cost like 100k to make and literally only fits Toby McGuire. "Someone" 
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Feb 3, 2018 17:18
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Not quite the same thing since I'm sure both were just using the same prison, but I'm like 99% sure Diggstown has James Wood being led down the hallway at 1:23 and later in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgrIAIHTho8
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Feb 3, 2018 17:25
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Timby posted:Suburban Commando, too. Commando too, the regular "kill 400 dudes without a scratch" kind.. Arnold uses it at some point.
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Feb 3, 2018 23:14
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The Matrix reused sets from Dark City. And also the plot, characters and costumes are very similar to Dark City.
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Feb 5, 2018 14:20
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Yeah I loved all the slow motion Kung fu in Dark City
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Feb 5, 2018 16:27
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FishBulb posted:Yeah I loved all the slow motion Kung fu in Dark City idgi, is this a snarky reply? I didn't say it was a direct rip-off, I said it has a lot of similar things. A guy is awoken to sinister world being controlled by a secret elite, that have mysterious MIBs out enforcing their agenda, by a mysterious man on the other end of the telephone. The secret elite have the power to reshape the world to their whims, and nobody that hasn't been 'woken up' can see the crazy poo poo that happens when the world is being manipulated. The protagonist develops powers that let him too influence this world. There are chase scenes literally using the same sets and shots as the Matrix, and there are black trench coats everywhere. They're both good films in their own right, but there being a shitload of similarities isn't really up for debate. Quote-Unquote fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Feb 6, 2018 12:27
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Also the ending of Dark City is exactly the same as the ending of Matrix 3.
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Feb 7, 2018 04:35
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I feel like watching Aguirre again sometime soon, and I wonder if I should ask my wife if she wants to watch it too. She's pretty sensitive to animal cruelty in film, and while I don't distinctly remember that Kinsky, like, stabbed a crocodile or something, it seems like a very likely thing to have happened. Should I go solo on this one?
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I feel like watching Aguirre again sometime soon, and I wonder if I should ask my wife if she wants to watch it too. She's pretty sensitive to animal cruelty in film, and while I don't distinctly remember that Kinsky, like, stabbed a crocodile or something, it seems like a very likely thing to have happened. Should I go solo on this one? He's mean to a monkey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQYKDrOs_j8
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