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VitalSigns posted:Yes it would be legal. Ok, thanks. That's the nut of it. It's obviously quite different from Germany, where the states are less autonomous and the Supreme Court decided more restrictively in the 1970ies, that the German state has the obligation to protect life. Which is why abortion had to stay illegal even if it carries no penalty. The US narrative often find its way into the German discussion, and frankly, it's more often than not muddying the waters. So thank you for the clarification.
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Einbauschrank posted:Which is why abortion had to stay illegal even if it carries no penalty. Weird. Do doctors lose their licenses for performing an illegal procedure?
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VitalSigns posted:Yes it would be legal. there's a federal ban on intact dilation and evacuation
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Einbauschrank posted:that the German state has the obligation to protect life. This is always funny for me to see - it's always one of those ludicrous legal assertions that stands only because people refuse to look at or think about it too hard and never has anything to do with the actual motivation for the rules in question (which is why everyone is fine with not looking at it too hard). Not that the legalization of abortion in the US is much different, really.
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VitalSigns posted:Weird. Not if they stick to the procedure specified by the law. The physician attesting the medical indication mustn't be the one performing the procedure (so there is no monetary incentive), you have to wait three days etc. If you do not stick to it, the Chamber of Physicians could revoke your license. I haven't heard of such a Case. (apart from downright nasty stuff like "Physician tries to secretly induce abortion on his girlfriend without her consent" ) Though last year a physician had to pay a fine of ~6000$ for presenting information on abortion on her Homepage. This was seen as advertising it and is illegal. This law stands a good chance of bring repealed.
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crossposting from the trump thread because not everyone here reads that one i'm sure and this is important Stephanie Kelton has a very good NYT OpEd on the deficit, which is something I've talked about here a number of times: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/deficit-tax-cuts-trump.html quote:How We Think About the Deficit Is Mostly Wrong This stuff is going to be important for anyone who advocates for universal health care, UBI, free education or any number of progressive policies. You will run into these questions at some point. It's good to have the right answers when that happens.
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Well, he's not wrong. In 2016 a gunman killed two Urbandale ( a Des Moines suburb) police officers for no other reason than they were police. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2016/11/02/2-police-officers-killed-ambush-attacks/93155012/
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the difference between "blue lives matter" and black lives matter is that pigs can take that uniform off and can quit being pigs, black people can't quit being black. pigs aren't some oppressed minority.
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Kanine posted:the difference between "blue lives matter" and black lives matter is that pigs can take that uniform off and can quit being pigs, black people can't quit being black. pigs aren't some oppressed minority.  Your choice of language proves his point.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:no, not really Yes, yes really. If I say "whores" instead of "sex workers" I'm using dehumanizing language.
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Wouldn't want to dehumanize the people who regularly get away with murder, that wouldn't be fair to them.
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SimonCat posted:Well, he's not wrong. In 2016 a gunman killed two Urbandale ( a Des Moines suburb) police officers for no other reason than they were police. 
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SimonCat posted:
Please, do go on about how actually it's cops and not black people who are oppressed in America 
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SimonCat posted:Yes, yes really. If I say "whores" instead of "sex workers" I'm using dehumanizing language. Cops are the real victims 
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SimonCat posted:Yes, yes really. If I say "whores" instead of "sex workers" I'm using dehumanizing language. well yeah, if you change or add things to the thing it changes 
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It's awesome how people hate it when you point out they're hypocrites.
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SimonCat posted:It's awesome how people hate it when you point out they're hypocrites. Giod thing nazis aren't people
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SimonCat posted:Well, he's not wrong. In 2016 a gunman killed two Urbandale ( a Des Moines suburb) police officers for no other reason than they were police. Maybe one day black americans will know how horrible it feels to be broadly judged for a single attribute. They'll come around.
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SimonCat posted:It's awesome how people hate it when you point out they're hypocrites. When u think about it, hating one group because they harass and murder people with impunity on the reg and hating another group because of the color of their skin is basically the same thing.
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SimonCat posted:Yes, yes really. If I say "whores" instead of "sex workers" I'm using dehumanizing language. I like your choice of metaphor, comparing police to sex workers. Because sex workers get paid to gently caress people, and so do the police.
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SimonCat posted:Yes, yes really. If I say "whores" instead of "sex workers" I'm using dehumanizing language. the pigs aren’t human beings
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the pigs aren’t human beings I agree with SimonCat's point on this, but for a different reason. Dehumanizing awful human behavior to make us more comfortable with the human susceptibility for awfulness is dangerous. Like the Nazis we too frequently refer to as 'subhuman' or 'monsters,' we need to remember that cops are normal human beings who've normalized and internalized murderous and discriminatory behavior. LeeMajors fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Feb 12, 2018 |
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well yeah they're members of the species but to be an american cop is to reject the innate humanity of hundreds of millions of people and thus they should be ejected from consideration as members of that humanity
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Crowsbeak posted:Also something like 87 percent back Bernie. This is one of the sole bright spots of Dem voters right now. At least they don't hate the alternative. I know this is preaching to the choir, but the Dem party has been utterly co-opted: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lobbyists-democrats-retreat_us_5a7dfbc1e4b08dfc93040362 My fear is that the party can get back Congress and the Presidency by 2020, but not possess the will and ideology to make the necessary change, and the compounding economic and ecological catastrophes will sweep fascism into office permanently by 2028. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Feb 12, 2018 |
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Or we could not and open negotiations for peace and lift sanctions.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:My fear is that the party can get back Congress and the Presidency by 2020, but not possess the will and ideology to make the necessary change, and the compounding economic and ecological catastrophes will sweep fascism into office permanently by 2028. I've been thinking something along these lines as well recently, leading me to think that, despite his age and such, Bernie's probably the best choice for 2020 nominee. Not only is his victory practically guaranteed, but his popularity likely strengthening the potential wave, him inspiring more left-leaning candidates to run at all levels, and him being at the top of the party and dragging it left with his campaign and such, seems like the best way to ensure that we actually stop things from getting worse and improve things, rather than stalling another four-eight years. We have an amazing but small window to make real change and really hurt American fascism, so we need to make the most of it, which means actually making things better for people and getting them to see that the two sides really aren't the same. I'm not sure most other potential nominees could, or would if they could, do that; we already have some Democrats saying they won't repeal the Trump tax plan if they get power again, just stabilize or balance it or whatever. The party, and the American people really, need to be saved from themselves, and even just one term of Bernie pushing through things like UHC before he retires and lets someone else run seems like a better way of doing that than Duckworth or someone turning out to be Obama 2.0.
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Some idiot getting in and trying to lead via bipartisan legislation with a group of criminals that are currently facilitating a wanna-be dictator that's just too stupid and lazy to go all in on it to the point where they are siding with him over their buddies at the FBI would probably destroy this country. The Democrats would shatter their party especially when the full brunt of the Republican tax plan hits (which President Centrist McDecorum would be too timid to repeal) and without their tepid resistance the Republicans would be free to go full fascist. I don't think Bernie is the only choice but when people start saying "well Booker/Biden will just not be as much of a corporate stooge" it makes me REALLY nervous. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Feb 12, 2018 |
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My only fear regarding Bernie's age is who comes next after him. A huge part of Bernie's appeal (and Corbyn's for that matter) is that they have credibility because what they are saying now is the same thing they were saying 30 years ago. After that it's a bunch of people who the left is rightly skeptical of because of their sudden convergence (e.g., Gillibrand) or young people without a national profile (Nina Turner, Ellison). Which is why I think it is super important to campaign really hard not just for Bernie, but for people who can start to develop that credibility with the base.
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joepinetree posted:My only fear regarding Bernie's age is who comes next after him. A huge part of Bernie's appeal (and Corbyn's for that matter) is that they have credibility because what they are saying now is the same thing they were saying 30 years ago. After that it's a bunch of people who the left is rightly skeptical of because of their sudden convergence (e.g., Gillibrand) or young people without a national profile (Nina Turner, Ellison). Which is why I think it is super important to campaign really hard not just for Bernie, but for people who can start to develop that credibility with the base. The thing that would allow me to trust another politician to the same degree as Sanders (or greater) is either a long and consistent history (like you said) or a willingness to say very bold things that are outside of the context of what's considered permissible among the mainstream American left. A good example is Corbyn's recent "we need to just nationalize energy in order to try to address global warming" thing. Something like that is very explicit and simply not the kind of thing someone like Gillibrand or Booker would ever say, even in the context of trying to pander to the left. This is partly why Bernie Sanders mentioning a wealth tax as a possible funding mechanism for MFA stood out so much to me. A wealth tax is something completely outside the realm of mainstream American political discourse. Even single-payer has had some sort of presence among left-leaning discourse in past years, but a wealth tax isn't the kind of thing a politician would ever advocate in an attempt to pander, because even most left-leaning liberals aren't really cognizant of it as an option.
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joepinetree posted:My only fear regarding Bernie's age is who comes next after him. A huge part of Bernie's appeal (and Corbyn's for that matter) is that they have credibility because what they are saying now is the same thing they were saying 30 years ago. After that it's a bunch of people who the left is rightly skeptical of because of their sudden convergence (e.g., Gillibrand) or young people without a national profile (Nina Turner, Ellison). Which is why I think it is super important to campaign really hard not just for Bernie, but for people who can start to develop that credibility with the base. huh, I genuinely thought Tulsi Gabbard was older than she is
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