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ate all the Oreos posted:it already is, i guarantee this was sold as "but now you can have a button on your website that does it!!!" to people who don't know that everything already has TTS oh totally. theres already nvda for a free option if users want something more robust so theres no need for any js nonsense, but i bet someone somewhere heard wcag aa and mashed then buy button on this thing frantically and wiped their forehead and called it a day
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Occasionally I support a blind user over the phone. I can hear his screen reader. Holy poo poo.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Occasionally I support a blind user over the phone. I can hear his screen reader. Holy poo poo.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Occasionally I support a blind user over the phone. I can hear his screen reader. Holy poo poo. yeah a place i used to work at had loads of blind users because they still did terminal accounts, supporting them was always trippy
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:it's playing back at 4x speed right? Possibly 8x.
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Jabor posted:let me introduce you to this magical thing called aria i repeat the words "universally accepted standard" - i mean i have not been an active web developer for some years now but when i was, i never heard the words "the website should be accessible" uttered by anyone ever
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Penisface posted:i repeat the words "universally accepted standard" - i mean i have not been an active web developer for some years now but when i was, i never heard the words "the website should be accessible" uttered by anyone ever it's built in to most babby's first wordpress template and other starter pack things and a lot of tutorials encourage it so i'd say it's pretty well accepted, it's just disabled people are not a worthwhile market for fart apps
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Penisface posted:i repeat the words "universally accepted standard" - i mean i have not been an active web developer for some years now but when i was, i never heard the words "the website should be accessible" uttered by anyone ever you'll hear it spoken a lot by companies big enough to be worth suing under the ada
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ate all the Oreos posted:it's built in to most babby's first wordpress template and other starter pack things and a lot of tutorials encourage it so i'd say it's pretty well accepted, it's just disabled people are not a worthwhile market for fart apps asterisk fartzee tilde tilde tilde asterisk
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Possibly 8x. Penisface posted:i repeat the words "universally accepted standard" - i mean i have not been an active web developer for some years now but when i was, i never heard the words "the website should be accessible" uttered by anyone ever i've yet to see those standards used elsewhere though
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Feb 12, 2018 12:25
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In the EU there are certain accessibility standards for government websites such as that videos must always have subtitles available. Idk if this also means that the website has to provide screen reader functionality for the visually impaired because they often have such software installed anyway but I do believe the page needs to be suitable for screen readers by having proper alt tags on images etc.
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spankmeister posted:In the EU there are certain accessibility standards for government websites such as that videos must always have subtitles available. Idk if this also means that the website has to provide screen reader functionality for the visually impaired because they often have such software installed anyway but I do believe the page needs to be suitable for screen readers by having proper alt tags on images etc. this is actually something i've been wondering for a while; how are screenreaders coping with the web of today? anyone have any experience? my feeling back in the pre-2.0 days was that the good ones were more heuristics and best-effort rather than the supposed accessibility aspects of web standards for the most part working, but that must have gotten all the harder now that everything shows up in a magic swirl of javascript
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:this is actually something i've been wondering for a while; how are screenreaders coping with the web of today? anyone have any experience? we had to do a ton of validation to make us 508 compliant, which is a US gov thing for the disabled. basically they had a testing team verify the site is usable with a screen reader. it means you have to do poo poo right-ish and not rely on the clusterfuck of js. because of this, we also have a piece of software that is designed to be used by the driver of a car, and it had to be usable by a blind person 
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they read the DOM, not the HTML source. it doesn’t matter how the structure comes to be
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spankmeister posted:In the EU there are certain accessibility standards for government websites such as that videos must always have subtitles available. Idk if this also means that the website has to provide screen reader functionality for the visually impaired because they often have such software installed anyway but I do believe the page needs to be suitable for screen readers by having proper alt tags on images etc. yeah, my experience is also mostly from the EU and it's essentially that government websites and big companies usually have an accessible web site; in japan you even see options to switch font sizes on websites for everyone else it seems to be a puny fart of an afterthought as the captains of industry keep furiously re-implementing everything in javascript i was kind of hoping/guessing that there would be a industry standard of tagging the "content" part of a website so that a bog standard screen reader does not have to machine learn or whatever to get to what it needs to render as audio having to rely on a javascript screen reader is pants on fire retarded, how has it come to this there is probably a defcon type talk about the state of online accessibility, right?
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:basically they had a testing team verify the site is usable with a screen reader. it means you have to do poo poo right-ish and not rely on the clusterfuck of js. you can use JS with screen readers. that’s why all the a11y interfaces to browsers exist. lots of people use gmail with screen readers, and Facebook, and Twitter what problems did you have when you used JS? could you not dynamically apply the aria labels?
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Subjunctive posted:they read the DOM, not the HTML source. it doesn’t matter how the structure comes to be i don't think that is necessarily sufficient to make sense of the page though, as you'd need to figure out what modifications are part of interacting with the page and what is just stuff getting populated without any additional meaning. even taking javascript aside the visual layout is a lot less connected to the ordering of the dom these days, so it seems hard to ferret out what is important without good hints or some deep gazing at how it ends up presented i mean to except stuff where a lot of very heavy work is done to ensure accessibility, but back in the web 1.0 days blind classmates were able to surf the web quite quickly and effectively, and i do wonder whether that is still true (either through things not being as complicated as they seem, or by websites being responsible on that front to a greater extent than i'd expect, or by screen readers being rather deep pieces of technology)
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i don't think that is necessarily sufficient to make sense of the page though ok
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just my thinking, if you do use screen readers and say it works fine then great. nothing much to really *argue* about (and not the thread for it), just wondering what the user experience actually pans out as
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:this is actually something i've been wondering for a while; how are screenreaders coping with the web of today? anyone have any experience?
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:just my thinking, if you do use screen readers and say it works fine then great. nothing much to really *argue* about (and not the thread for it), just wondering what the user experience actually pans out as It works. gently caress if I know how.
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This looks fun: https://krausefx.com/blog/mac-privacy-sandboxed-mac-apps-can-take-screenshotsquote:Any Mac app, sandboxed or not sandboxed can:
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Subjunctive posted:you can use JS with screen readers. that’s why all the a11y interfaces to browsers exist. lots of people use gmail with screen readers, and Facebook, and Twitter its not problems per-se, its just that you cant do a lot of js fuckery in the layout, because it needs to be easily navigated without loading a ton of bullshit in. its a lot easier to design things statically instead of "lol spa"
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accessibility is distinct from security and we can chat over fhere: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3849027
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cybercoin chat from two right-wing fringe websites but lol @ cybercoins https://twitter.com/bascule/status/962740918053888000
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Cocoa Crispies posted:cybercoin chat from two right-wing fringe websites but lol @ cybercoins LOL quote:How many people did this? Who knows. Also, do NOT follow that link. Made my brain all hurty reading that poo poo.
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Proteus Jones posted:LOL
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Krankenstyle posted:asterisk fartzee tilde tilde tilde asterisk do not post my children's names on the internet tyvm
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hacked in the butt by a mystery cyber athlete
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EDIT nvm I saw the post about the other thread for accessibility
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is anyone going to RSA2018 or is it worth going at all?
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geonetix posted:is anyone going to RSA2018 or is it worth going at all? only if you can mass-goatse the con
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geonetix posted:is anyone going to RSA2018 or is it worth going at all? Wait 30 years.
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is there ANYTHING good around tho
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geonetix posted:is anyone going to RSA2018 or is it worth going at all? I wouldn’t even go with customer money, it’s 100% a CTO conference, and too big to be cool
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buttcoin as a service https://twitter.com/JamesHitchcock/status/963084258708480001 https://twitter.com/JamesHitchcock/status/963085244411924481 Jewel fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Feb 13, 2018 |
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FAQ posted:why are my fans turning on? lmao
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Jewel posted:buttcoin as a service At least their asking to use your PC to mine buttcoin now. 
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two for one malware as a service day buy one get one free https://twitter.com/manfightdragon/status/963284621914865664
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ahaha holy poo poo. surely that violates the apple store tos or something?
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