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Shear Modulus posted:i havent seen the movies or read the comics and dont plan to but whar exactly are the avengers avenging?
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Shear Modulus posted:i havent seen the movies or read the comics and dont plan to but whar exactly are the avengers avenging? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugx-2tZgVJs
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Feb 12, 2018 05:57
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nah posted:the first problem is having opinions about comic books Jesus don't I know it Anyway superheroes are no more fascist than literally any other escapist media as a broad genre obvioulsst there are some comics slash story with more Problematic subtext than others Like there's some Real loving Rough Captain America stuff but then you also have the time he investigated a conspiracy inside the us govt that ended with Nixon blowing his brains out and the time he literally quit being Captain America because he thought America was doing hosed up poo poo and the time skrulls tried to start a race war post 9/11 and cap wrecked their day and then scolded the poo poo out of America for being a bunch of fuckin idiots The whole "cap is secretly Hydra" poo poo from last year was loving awful in every single way and it should be shot and so should right wing shithead Nick Spencer aka the writer who has a history in local politics that amounts to hating the homeless and black people BENGHAZI 2 has issued a correction as of 10:33 on Feb 12, 2018 |
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Feb 12, 2018 10:29
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yeah but cap is secretly hydra
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ScrubLeague posted:yeah but cap is secretly hydra Not anymore, that garbage fire is over thank God Now there's two captain America's and one is openly Hydra and the other is Captain America Which is actually worse bc it means I can't forget that piece of poo poo book exists
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The only good superhero movies are the original Superman, Tim Burton's batman movies and Sam Raimi's spiderman movie. All others can be disregarded as corporate propaganda void of any artistic merit.
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thatfatkid posted:The only good superhero movies are the original Superman, Tim Burton's batman movies and Sam Raimi's spiderman movie. All others can be disregarded as corporate propaganda void of any artistic merit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC4CDyCaeIA
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thatfatkid posted:The only good superhero movies are the original Superman, Tim Burton's batman movies and Sam Raimi's spiderman movie. All others can be disregarded as corporate propaganda void of any artistic merit. also Super and Logan
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Feb 12, 2018 19:19
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https://twitter.com/brigitte_amiri/status/961358988976803841 https://twitter.com/NestleCare/status/961681234509385730 this is my personal hell
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Shear Modulus posted:i havent seen the movies or read the comics and dont plan to but whar exactly are the avengers avenging? This guy 
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Toph Bei Fong posted:This guy Not him, his collection of avengers merch
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an underrated genre of lovely Twitter posts are produced by parents that lie to make their dullard kids sound like precocious little angels
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nah posted:an underrated genre of lovely Twitter posts are produced by parents that lie to make their dullard kids sound like precocious little angels Woke Toddler has been a social media thing for a long time, usually as
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Tardcore posted:All the marvel films are fascist propaganda marvel is liberalism and dc is fascism. this is canon
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:superheroes are no more fascist than literally any other escapist media The entire concept of a superhero is pretty much the same as the Übermensch
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thatfatkid posted:The only good superhero movies are the original Superman, Tim Burton's batman movies and Sam Raimi's spiderman movie. All others can be disregarded as corporate propaganda void of any artistic merit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbdeAhpIPhE OK it's less superhero and more pulp action hero but, same difference
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thatfatkid posted:The only good superhero movies are the original Superman, Tim Burton's batman movies and Sam Raimi's spiderman movie. All others can be disregarded as corporate propaganda void of any artistic merit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSIHn9pddho
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cenotaph posted:I think my favorite marvel movie moment is in Winter Soldier when Captain America says that surveillance and drone warfare are bad and you shouldn't have them. He then goes on to say that you do, however, need people like Captain America, because elite people like him know what's best for everyone. Then in Civil War he argues that the Avengers shouldn't have any governmental oversight. It's important to construct your setting so that all public institutions are overrun with nazi sleeper agents, there are shapeshifters that can replace any elected official, mind control is a thing, and the justice system is utterly nonfunctional and can't hold mass murderers for more than a year before they're released or escape back into the streets. It's a nonstop state of fear and paranoia designed to display democratic institutions as woefully incapable and outdated. Just give all the power to the strongmen, only they can save us.
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twoday posted:The entire concept of a superhero is pretty much the same as the Übermensch I typed a whole bunch of words but basically it comes down to "not anymore, and that's not a thing inherent to superhero comics in and of themselves anyway" but also I don't feel like having the same boring rear end argument again because it's less interesting than "actually Batman doesn't want to stop crime he just wants to hit people" as something to argue against
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The Marvek movies are insanely fash tho but I've seen the argument made that that's partly a product of differences in the process of creation between the two mediums as well as like their target audience slash audience sizes and again it's incredibly boring and dumb
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Subvisual Haze posted:It's important to construct your setting so that all public institutions are overrun with nazi sleeper agents, there are shapeshifters that can replace any elected official, mind control is a thing, and the justice system is utterly nonfunctional and can't hold mass murderers for more than a year before they're released or escape back into the streets. Yeah, this is what makes Marvel fash, not merely that there is a protagonist who engages in direct action.
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Spider-Man's greatest villain is a wealthy, sociopathic CEO of a multinational corporation. He's the mirror image of Spider-Man, who's a struggling, salt-of-the-earth member of the lower class with strong community ties and a defining belief in responsibility towards the welfare of his fellow man. Spider-Man, or at least early Spider-Man as defined by Lee and Ditko back in the 60's, was certainly a power fantasy (in the personally empowering sense that these types of stories tend to be) but not at all an inherently fascist one. Reifying abstract concepts and evils as discrete, physical beings that can be fought and defeated is a storytelling technique as old as the human race itself, and an effective and compelling one. I don't like the idea of attacking some of the most basic foundations of mythic storytelling in the name of some all-consuming cultural revolution. There's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Fascism doesn't lay sole claim to the idea of the empowerment of the individual. As for the idea that Marvel is fascist simply because it often portrays government institutions as ineffective and corrupt, necessitating direct action by citizens, well that's not really valid either. That's just a reflection of reality. The problem lies when the people taking direct action then become that very oppressive, undemocratic force represented by the government, after which point they themselves need to be reined in. This is actually an issue that's dealt with in the past by the comics, albeit not entirely successfully. I don't read modern superhero comics anymore and I stopped watching Marvel movies after Avengers 2 so I can't really speak with authority to everything that's going on now.
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There's also a rumor that ditko left spider Man because he didn't think Peter should be able to triumph over corporate overlord Norman Osborn because ditko was a hardcore randroid I don't know how much I believe it given that the alternative is him being mad over Stan Lee getting all the credit for creating Spider-Man But given that ditko is an insane rear end in a top hat who refused Stan Lee saying "I consider Steve the Creator" because consider implies that it isn't a fact he can suck a big dick
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Cnut the Great posted:Spider-Man's greatest villain is a wealthy, sociopathic CEO of a multinational corporation. He's the mirror image of Spider-Man, who's a struggling, salt-of-the-earth member of the lower class with strong community ties and a defining belief in responsibility towards the welfare of his fellow man. Spider-Man, or at least early Spider-Man as defined by Lee and Ditko back in the 60's, was certainly a power fantasy (in the personally empowering sense that these types of stories tend to be) but not at all an inherently fascist one. Reifying abstract concepts and evils as discrete, physical beings that can be fought and defeated is a storytelling technique as old as the human race itself, and an effective and compelling one. I don't like the idea of attacking some of the most basic foundations of mythic storytelling in the name of some all-consuming cultural revolution. There's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Fascism doesn't lay sole claim to the idea of the empowerment of the individual. Wow dude all that poo poo sucks
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Did you guys know that superheros are basically modern day mythical figures?
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Did you guys know that superheros are basically modern day mythical figures? Comics are good for what they are!
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Cnut the Great posted:Spider-Man's greatest villain is a wealthy, sociopathic CEO of a multinational corporation. He's the mirror image of Spider-Man, who's a struggling, salt-of-the-earth member of the lower class with strong community ties and a defining belief in responsibility towards the welfare of his fellow man. Spider-Man, or at least early Spider-Man as defined by Lee and Ditko back in the 60's, was certainly a power fantasy (in the personally empowering sense that these types of stories tend to be) but not at all an inherently fascist one. Reifying abstract concepts and evils as discrete, physical beings that can be fought and defeated is a storytelling technique as old as the human race itself, and an effective and compelling one. I don't like the idea of attacking some of the most basic foundations of mythic storytelling in the name of some all-consuming cultural revolution. There's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Fascism doesn't lay sole claim to the idea of the empowerment of the individual. So it's both fascist, and childishly simplistic (which is also a feature of actual fascist culture).
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its almost like childrens cartoons dont adapt to an adult audience well
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:who refused Stan Lee saying "I consider Steve the Creator" because consider implies that it isn't a fact he can suck a big dick This is completely reasonable and stan lee is obviously being a weasly little bitch
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Did you guys know that superheros are basically modern day mythical figures? They are though. Why is flippancy so often mistaken for maturity nowadays?
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steinrokkan posted:So it's both fascist, and childishly simplistic (which is also a feature of actual fascist culture). How is it fascist? Use your words, buddy. 
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Cnut the Great posted:They are though. Why is flippancy so often mistaken for maturity nowadays? Because superheros suck rear end dude
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Cnut the Great posted:How is it fascist? Use your words, buddy. The idea of a strong individual leading superhuman struggle against a concentrated, personified evil not just reactionary, it's literally what Italian fascists built their mythology around. Also, A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Because superheros suck rear end dude ANybody over the age of 15 who still follows picture books is a loving loser.
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Blue Train posted:This is completely reasonable and stan lee is obviously being a weasly little bitch That's loving stupid actually. This is what Lee said: quote:To Whom It May Concern: That's a definitive, in-depth, and unambiguous acknowledgment of Ditko's central role in the creation of the character. There's nothing weaselly about it. Whatever Lee's other transgressions (and I've read all about them) getting mad about this particular statement because he used the word "considered" is just insane. A Gnarlacious Bro posted:Because superheros suck rear end dude Why? And why is it considered so verboten to note their undeniable similarities to ancient mythic storytelling techniques? Just because something is obvious doesn't make it trite or not worth analyzing. And is it really true that there's no such thing as worthwhile culture that isn't overtly and unambiguously Marxist in nature? That seems like an extremely sad and limiting stance to take, IMO. Nothing wrong it that's your bag, though. I respect your preferences. This is all pretty off-topic though. steinrokkan posted:The idea of a strong individual leading superhuman struggle against a concentrated, personified evil not just reactionary, it's literally what Italian fascists built their mythology around. Just because it's a storytelling structure that can be co-opted by fascists does not make it inherently fascist. For example, populist storytelling structures can and have been co-opted by fascists just as easily as they have been made use of by socialist reformers. There's nothing inherently fascist about stories about individuals engaging in metaphorical battles against evil. Those stories are just reflecting one aspect of a larger tapestry of reality that includes both the individual and the collective in a constant state of give-and-take with one another, and I don't think it's the stories themselves that are the problem but the way we're taught to relate to those stories. You're the one being overly simplistic here. quote:Also, That's just a really nasty and dismissive thing to say and I don't think you'd ever say it in real life to someone who was a perfectly kind and caring person who also happened to like sci fi or fantasy or video games or superhero comic books, because you'd be rightly afraid of looking like a complete and total rear end in a top hat. My sweet old grandma is a cool, caring, smart, progressive lady who volunteers to take care of disabled elders and has been good to me and everyone else she's ever met all her life, and she thinks all these super hero movies are neat as poo poo, and I used to love going to see them with her back when I lived near her even though I didn't really care for them myself. She's not a "loving loser." I think you're a loving loser who says weird and antisocial things on the Internet and acts superior to everyone for engaging in popular harmless pursuits that don't meet your incredibly narrow ideological litmus tests, in a really unpleasant and counterproductive way that doesn't actually accomplish anything good or useful or life-affirming. The difference between you and me is that I would have no problem saying all these things to you in real life if you acted the way you're acting now. I get that this is just how these boards are and it's considered "caremad" and  to break the fourth wall by drawing attention to it, but it's true and it's no wonder Lowtax hates this place and considers it toxic.
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loving all these "woke brands" posts today guys!!!
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my favorite superhero is the mod that comes here and cleans up this rotten thread
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superheroes are such a woke brand marvel is back patting themselves for taking literally a decade to finally let a black person lead a film
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Brother Entropy posted:superheroes are such a woke brand marvel is back patting themselves for taking literally a decade to finally let a black person lead a film Can't be too surprised, remember how there has never been a female superhero in film until about a year ago?
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Blue Train posted:This is completely reasonable and stan lee is obviously being a weasly little bitch ehhhhh in context it was Stan making an honest attempt to bury the hatchet with an actual crazy person if it was literally anyone else I'd agree with them
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