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isndl posted:Caesar's got bats in the hallway, the problem is getting them stacked for leadership. Do they have a Chief Warlord after Caesar got promoted? The dolls don't have any leadership, but they would have the bonus from Bill. Vinny is Chief Warlord.
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Jack and Maggie are literally the two people most likely to understand how Parson thinks. They're not him, but they're as close as Caesar's likely to get. Also, if the capital isn't a Palace now, I'll eat a hat. Edit: 
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Maggie might just kill Bill with her bare hands. I feel like she would need a sword, and a yellow catsuit.
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Maggie might just kill Bill with her bare hands. She'd need a yellow... Cat Mattress posted:I feel like she would need a sword, and a yellow catsuit. Damnit. 
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Feb 7, 2018 15:08
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Time to watch Benjamin and/or the tower entity save the day with totally unexpected shenanigans, I guess, because there's basically no one else left to do it. Well, I bet all those gems back up in the war room will play a central role. Time to see what else Moneymancers can do with a big pile of schmuckers.
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I've lost track of what contracts are enforcing what. Who in this room would make their side pay a fine for attacking Bill? I remember the payment scales weirdly which is why GK has all their money stashed in gems at TV
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Ditocoaf posted:I've lost track of what contracts are enforcing what. Who in this room would make their side pay a fine for attacking Bill? I remember the payment scales weirdly which is why GK has all their money stashed in gems at TV The fine for the GK-Charlie contract was capped to a fraction of the offending side's treasury, so if GK units attacked Bill and his dolls right now they'd pay very little, while it would cost Bill a lot to fight back. I don't think we know of any restrictions on GK-TV fighting due to Don King's off-screen contract.
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I thought they just said Charlescomm can’t attack Transylvito without paying a penalty. Presumably Bill popped his trap and then turned.
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Its interesting that a unit can act against a side (cursing the necklace if that's what happened) while it is still a member of the side, since ostensibly until you turned you still have to act to benefit the side even if you hate the ruler (low loyalty) or the activity is not what the ruler wants. It'd be hard to justify setting up a death trap on the overlord without a heir as being good for the side. Have we seen that before? Every other time there was a backstab, the turning happened first that I can think of.
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Grogquock posted:Its interesting that a unit can act against a side (cursing the necklace if that's what happened) while it is still a member of the side, since ostensibly until you turned you still have to act to benefit the side even if you hate the ruler (low loyalty) or the activity is not what the ruler wants. It'd be hard to justify setting up a death trap on the overlord without a heir as being good for the side. Have we seen that before? Every other time there was a backstab, the turning happened first that I can think of. Wanda, selling out Faq to Stanley?
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isndl posted:Wanda, selling out Faq to Stanley? I thought that was justified in thinking that Stanley would have died in the attack and lost the Arkentool to her as a caster of FAQ, which would have lead to greater strength for the side. That might just have been her spin on it of course.
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All units in Erfworld feel Duty (an emotional obligation to the side) and Loyalty (an emotional obligation to the people on the side), but they're both finite forces. Units can act against either one if they're sufficiently strongly motivated.
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NihilCredo posted:The fine for the GK-Charlie contract was capped to a fraction of the offending side's treasury, so if GK units attacked Bill and his dolls right now they'd pay very little, while it would cost Bill a lot to fight back. It was PARTLY a fraction but also had a lower bound of several million schmuckers, payable in units or cities. It would still cost Bill way more to fight back than GK to attack him in the first place though.
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I wonder is Appletini is gonna show and get croaked. Also i hope no skip this fri
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Rand Brittain posted:All units in Erfworld feel Duty (an emotional obligation to the side) and Loyalty (an emotional obligation to the people on the side), but they're both finite forces. Units can act against either one if they're sufficiently strongly motivated. I just remembered Marie and Georgia Powers additionally. That was a direct example of it. She also said she didn't serve Stanley and that she had no loyalty to her current side.
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Turned units have infamously low loyalty. Which, incidentally, you'd think could be solved with the strongest Loyalty there is... Date-a-mancy. 
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Donkringel posted:Also i hope no skip this fri Way to curse it.
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Erev posted:Way to curse it.
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Donkringel posted:I am going to curse it even further. Next update is Parson or Wanda perspective. We don't see Caesar until 2 weeks pass. We're getting a Vinny update. Then a Parson update, then another update from Magic Kingdom, then another from Wandas perspective when she meets Jillian. Then the aftermath of the drama in Transylvania with all the tense bits resolved off-screen from the perspective of Charlie who muses how his plot failed but he made a bunch of money back.
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Hob_Gadling posted:We're getting a Vinny update. Then a Parson update, then another update from Magic Kingdom, then another from Wandas perspective when she meets Jillian. Then the aftermath of the drama in Transylvania with all the tense bits resolved off-screen from the perspective of Charlie who muses how his plot failed but he made a bunch of money back. And several more skips littered in there.
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Y'all are forgetting Tramennis getting an opinion in somewhere. Though, not to jinx it further or anything, but I like that guy and would rather be following his plot threads instead.
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When was the last time we saw an honest to goodness normal battle that this universe was literally designed around? 500 pages ago?
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Yeah, I'm coming back around to the idea that Erfworld would make a great campaign setting, but it's kind of on-and-off a terrible comic.
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PMush Perfect posted:Yeah, I'm coming back around to the idea that Erfworld would make a great campaign setting, but it's kind of on-and-off a terrible comic. the decline in quality coincided exactly with balder ditching narrative for world building so I agree
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Grogquock posted:When was the last time we saw an honest to goodness normal battle that this universe was literally designed around? 500 pages ago? I want to say the initial brawl right before Spacerock, the one where Ansom had a discussion with Ossomer and Tramennis.
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Every side will end up to have had half a dozen casters in reserve, every newly ontriduced one will have more fantastic and bullshit secret powers than the last.
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Grogquock posted:When was the last time we saw an honest to goodness normal battle that this universe was literally designed around? 500 pages ago? Well, if we take "saw" extremely loosely, there was I'm Coming For You Stanley and the Betrayal of Faq, plus Marie's Predictamancy-powered massacre in Jillian's new capital. It's just that those were barely even shown - they're all one-sided absolute curbstomps, and he usually just spends a page or two laying out the plans of the attacker and then skips straight to "and then they won, the end, check back next week for what some side character thinks about how this battle went". Same thing in Portal Park. The last real on-screen battle we've seen, I think, is Stanley's raid against Jillian waaaaaaay back at the beginning of the current book, nearly 300 pages ago. And even then, most of the big developments in that fight took place in Thinkagrams while Stanley and Jillian kinda just wheeled around letting other people scheme on their behalf.
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nimby posted:Every side will end up to have had half a dozen casters in reserve, every newly ontriduced one will have more fantastic and bullshit secret powers than the last. Erfworld Z.
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It's a real shame that the comic is plagued by delays, skips and meandering writing. I re-read the first book and it's still a solid piece. There's several twists and the result is not clear until the very end. The characters are interesting and fun to read about, with strengths and weaknesses to their personalities. One of my favorite bits of the comic is still Parson talking for the first time to Prince Ansom. That one scene sets the stage between the two opposing sides perfectly. One of the most important things that has changed is the feeling that the reader has been given all the important clues. A detective story loses much of its punch if the writer pulls a key witness out of nowhere to solve the tension. Same thing with Erf. It gets worse every time there's a "surprise" revelation of something ever more powerful that hasn't been hinted at. There's several already: Jed, guns, rigged portals, entire "under the gameboard" fortresses, godlike mindmancer ghosts running around... And this is a shame, because up until book 2 everything was foreshadowed properly. The most powerful trick during that fight was the "end turn" spell which never felt like a deux ex machina, Parson had after all won the last time around with something similar. And this time too, it wasn't a simple "I win" button. I would still like to like this comic but man, is it hard.
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Hob_Gadling posted:It gets worse every time there's a "surprise" revelation of something ever more powerful that hasn't been hinted at. There's several already: Jed, guns, rigged portals, entire "under the gameboard" fortresses, godlike mindmancer ghosts running around.. I really only follow this by reading this thread these days but lol that it has gotten this overcomplicated. Rob wrote all of these nice rules for himself about stacking and dancing and leadership multipliers and then like every fantasy setting immediately got lost in the minute powers of his own magic system.
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Its a good thing all this TV stuff is getting wrapped up now that the main character is home and back in play and not derailing further into the 3rd or 4th Charlie contract and negotiation situation with this very same secondary side and characters.
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Charlie wants to be hardcore but his mom won't let him.
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Well, that's not good.
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Are you guys ready to mine bitcoins for erfworld? http://www.erfworld.com/blog/view/58104/mine4erf-beta-test
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Korgan posted:Are you guys ready to mine bitcoins for erfworld? "Our advertisers have been evil, so we're going to trade them in for a worse evil. But it's a more reliable source of money and you get some virtual toys for it."
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I guess if the other option is to actually make comics and update on time for that sweet Patreon money, having readers mine for ErfCoins is the best choice.
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Kickstarter idea that's been proven to work at least once? Nah. Chasing a sketchy techbubble that's already deflating? Now we're talking! Then again, if you're looking for obsessive nerds with too much disposable income and too little sense, r/bitcoin is a good place to start.
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reignofevil posted:I really only follow this by reading this thread these days but lol that it has gotten this overcomplicated. Rob wrote all of these nice rules for himself about stacking and dancing and leadership multipliers and then like every fantasy setting immediately got lost in the minute powers of his own magic system. It's pretty clear Rob needs someone like Jamie who can keep him from wandering off into the weeds when writing scripts. Book 1 was really a tightly written story for the most part. Subsequent efforts have been bogged down by Rob indulging his own worst habits. I don't blame Jamie for jumping ship as soon as they were done with book 1. Rob seems like he'd be hard to work with.
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Korgan posted:Are you guys ready to mine bitcoins for erfworld? At least it's a separate opt-in program, rather than just embedding a javascript miner and stealing people's CPU cycles in the background.
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John_A_Tallon posted:Rob seems like he'd be hard to work with.
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