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Inescapable Duck posted:As for melee weapons, the machetes and knives do have combo attacks of a sword, with a reverse-grip follow up, iirc. It's the heavier ones that have less variety in swings. (and they still have special attacks in VATS) I really wish you could execute VATS melee moves outside of VATS. Would make melee a lot more fun in NV; I don't use VATS very often, I prefer my combat realtime for the most part, which makes most of the melee pretty boring. Even just an additional move or two really spices things up; for example, the unarmed moves you can learn make that a really fun way to play the game, and if I want to get close I usually find myself going unarmed so I can scribe counter, khan trick, and especially do the flying legion punch I forget the name of. Ranger takedown is sorta... tough to pull off, even if I like the idea.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Sidenote: Everyone is still acting like the Legion is still a major threat despite the fact that I just wiped out all of their leaders and have destroyed all of their bases, is it just going to stay that way until I complete the main questline? Because at this point it's a little unrealistic. The lore is that the legion camp you enter is just the tip of the spear and the rest of the legion is mustering further east under the command of the legate (who is the final boss whether or not you kill Caesar when you have the chance). The legion will hold together long enough to assault the dam for the finale, but without Caesar they're doomed to collapse into infighting in a decade or so. All that aside, engine limits mean you won't see much difference; there'll still be legion troops roaming around, you'll still get attacked by legionary assassins every couple days, etc.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Sidenote: Everyone is still acting like the Legion is still a major threat despite the fact that I just wiped out all of their leaders and have destroyed all of their bases, is it just going to stay that way until I complete the main questline? Because at this point it's a little unrealistic. Of course if you've got the DLC you're liable to mow his rear end down in less than 5 seconds with whatever you've got, but it's the thought that counts.
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Feb 13, 2018 22:26
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Even without the DLC he's pretty squishy. It's the trouble with having almost all your enemies being humans, a problem I run into running D&D-style games a lot- humans make the most interesting potential enemies because they can have complex motivations, can be jerks or sympathetic, the player can want to side with them or against them or just not care, they do a lot of things you can't do with monsters. New Vegas is almost all humans, so Obsidian clearly gets that. The downside is that there's only so much threat a person can ever be without feeling like you just set them up to be arbitrarily & unrealistically strong. Some settings can ameliorate that a bit with things like power armor, but with power armor comes weapons that are designed to defeat power armor. This leaves you in a pretty tough situation when your final boss is just a guy.
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Feb 13, 2018 22:48
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aniviron posted:Even without the DLC he's pretty squishy. It's the trouble with having almost all your enemies being humans, a problem I run into running D&D-style games a lot- humans make the most interesting potential enemies because they can have complex motivations, can be jerks or sympathetic, the player can want to side with them or against them or just not care, they do a lot of things you can't do with monsters. New Vegas is almost all humans, so Obsidian clearly gets that. The downside is that there's only so much threat a person can ever be without feeling like you just set them up to be arbitrarily & unrealistically strong. Some settings can ameliorate that a bit with things like power armor, but with power armor comes weapons that are designed to defeat power armor. This leaves you in a pretty tough situation when your final boss is just a guy. This is one of the reasons I wish Fallout had expanded on the talking Deathclaws concept from Falllout 2 my friend told me about. I want an all monster faction, I want organized and intelligent Deathclaws I can either team up with or fight against. I want an entire Deathclaw society and social structure, I want three dimensional Deathclaw allies and enemies. Super Mutants and Ghouls are great, but they're still things that came from humans, it's be intresting to see how humanity at large would react to something completely non-human like a Deathclaw walking up to their settlement in a tophat and saying "Hello new friends, I'd like to open trade relations with you!".
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Feb 13, 2018 23:42
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Feb 13, 2018 23:53
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:This is one of the reasons I wish Fallout had expanded on the talking Deathclaws concept from Falllout 2 my friend told me about. I want an all monster faction, I want organized and intelligent Deathclaws I can either team up with or fight against. Play Fallout: Tactics. You'll get everything except the top hats.
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Feb 13, 2018 23:54
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It's a bit of a shame Lanius wasn't just some kind of FEV freak. I wouldn't have complained about them returning to the Frank Horrigan well.
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Feb 13, 2018 23:55
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Play Fallout: Tactics. You'll get everything except the top hats. Not giving friendly Deathclaws top hats seems like a huge oversight on the part of the developers, but okay I'll check out tactics when I'm done with New Vegas.
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Feb 13, 2018 23:57
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Keeshhound posted:All that aside, engine limits mean you won't see much difference; there'll still be legion troops roaming around, you'll still get attacked by legionary assassins every couple days, etc. You can get a free whiskey from Whatshername Garrett at the Atomic Wrangler!
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Feb 14, 2018 00:10
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I play jswayer but Lanius is usually an interesting fight, if not as hard as Lonesome Road and some of the other side content
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Feb 14, 2018 00:20
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Not giving friendly Deathclaws top hats seems like a huge oversight on the part of the developers, but okay I'll check out tactics when I'm done with New Vegas. It's... okay. A lot of really cool concepts, some fun mechanics, but the line by line writing is pretty lowbrow even by Fallout standards. That said, your final team can be a Deathclaw driver/medic/grenadier, a kleptomaniacal ghoul in power armor, a supermutant with a minigun, a killer robot, and the Vault Boy. Just make sure to train someone up in energy weapons. Come endgame, you'll be glad you did.
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Feb 14, 2018 00:25
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ive played the game like 5 times but never fought lanious because i always have 100 speech. 
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Feb 14, 2018 00:29
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Iretep posted:ive played the game like 5 times but never fought lanious because i always have 100 speech. killling lanius is the good end
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Feb 14, 2018 00:38
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chiasaur11 posted:It's... okay. should be pointed out that fallout tactics is explicitly not an RPG; the writing and worldbuilding's not up to the level of FO1 and FO2 but, well. oh well. it's kinda the same still love it though
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Feb 14, 2018 00:52
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:should be pointed out that fallout tactics is explicitly not an RPG; the writing and worldbuilding's not up to the level of FO1 and FO2 but, well. oh well. it's kinda the same That might be a deal breaker for me, one of my favorite parts of New Vegas has been the writing. After New Vegas which of the Fallout games should I play next if I want good lore/story? Should I go back and play 1 or skip straight to 4?
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Feb 14, 2018 01:12
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fallout threahahahaha
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:That might be a deal breaker for me, one of my favorite parts of New Vegas has been the writing. 1. I mean, it's a pain to play these days, but for lore it's probably the best one remaining. Less random wacky stuff than in 2, and it's actually written with some thought to how the world fits together, unlike 3.
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Feb 14, 2018 01:22
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:That might be a deal breaker for me, one of my favorite parts of New Vegas has been the writing. Depends on what you're interested in - if it's lore then probably 1 & 2 are where you're going to get the most of it. Keep in mind a lot of the Fallout lore proper was really only spelled out in the Fallout Bible which came out after 2; around the time Interplay was going tits up and taking Black Isle with it. It contains a lot of 'what I would've done if we had the chance'. The first two games have a lot of tidbids and backstory scattered around but you'll find little actually spelled out for you outside of the intro cinematics. edit: also, I should clarify that 1 & 2 have also aged very poorly. I remember them fondly because I played them when they came out. If you're just diving in then, well, good luck! As for the others - Tactics, as mentioned, isn't an RPG and I don't know if Bethesda even considers it canon. If you wanted to play one of the newer ones I'd recommend 4 over 3; don't get me wrong I actually enjoyed Fallout 3 but it has aged poorly and 4 is just a much more solid game. Both have very nonsensical stories, 4 is better at world building and lore though.
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Fallout 1 is definitely very aged in terms of gameplay but its presentation of the world is really cool. If you like the Fallout setting it's a must play. Good thing is that it's honestly a pretty easy game and remarkably short compared to most of the other titles in the series. Honestly apart from 1 and NV the rest of the Fallout series kinda sucks at storytelling and worldbuilding. Fallout 2 tries too hard to be wacky and I think is really too big for its own good.
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Tactics is fine from a writing standpoint, and it does "you're actually a fascist conqueror" much better than Tyranny eventually did, but it is completely devoid of the ironic wit of the other games. There's some very spare, very black comedy, but for the most part it's pretty relentless.
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Feb 14, 2018 02:38
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I'm really surprised to find people recommending Fallout 4 over 3. Fallout 4 is barely even an RPG by any standard. It looks a lot better than FO3 and it doesn't have that weird jankiness that FO3 and FNV have where movement and shooting feel terrible but other than that FO3 is superior in almost every way. Fallout 4 is pretty much just the main quest and then a bunch of radiant "go to x kill y enemies and return" quests. Fallout 3 is a fine Fallout game besides the main quest not being terribly good.
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Gobblecoque posted:Fallout 1 is definitely very aged in terms of gameplay but its presentation of the world is really cool. If you like the Fallout setting it's a must play. Good thing is that it's honestly a pretty easy game and remarkably short compared to most of the other titles in the series. Honestly apart from 1 and NV the rest of the Fallout series kinda sucks at storytelling and worldbuilding. Fallout 2 tries too hard to be wacky and I think is really too big for its own good. I would also recommend at least watching/reading a comprehensive LP of the first two Fallouts because they do a ton to set up the situation in New Vegas. New Vegas is sort of the "true" Fallout 3 because it's a direct continuation of the setting, characters, and politics from Fallout 2.
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aniviron posted:I'm really surprised to find people recommending Fallout 4 over 3. Fallout 4 is barely even an RPG by any standard. It looks a lot better than FO3 and it doesn't have that weird jankiness that FO3 and FNV have where movement and shooting feel terrible but other than that FO3 is superior in almost every way. Fallout 4 is pretty much just the main quest and then a bunch of radiant "go to x kill y enemies and return" quests. Fallout 3 is a fine Fallout game besides the main quest not being terribly good. 4 is more immediately enjoyable than 3 because of that better feeling gameplay. It's only in the longer term that you realize it's got the depth of a teacup and loses its luster.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:4 is more immediately enjoyable than 3 because of that better feeling gameplay. It's only in the longer term that you realize it's got the depth of a teacup and loses its luster. I've made probably 3 attempts at Fallout 4 and I always give up pretty shortly. My last attempt made it to Virgil in the Glowing Sea before I lost interest. It just wasn't holding my attention enough for me to want to go any further.
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Fallout 1 and 2 are the prequels in a sense to New Vegas; no-brainer for me. Want to know where the NCR came from? In a way, who is responsible for its very existence.
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2 owns so much and the system is so easy to break. Steal a bozar, Navarro run, jinxed/max luck, sulik/super sledge, the list goes on.
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I had a great deal of fun loving around with gimmick runs after getting tired of beating the games normally. Some of them got stale much faster than others but you had a surprising amount of latitude when it came to playing how you wanted. Then after discovering falche2 really picking the game apart.
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Basic Chunnel posted:Tactics is fine from a writing standpoint, and it does "you're actually a fascist conqueror" much better than Tyranny eventually did, but it is completely devoid of the ironic wit of the other games. There's some very spare, very black comedy, but for the most part it's pretty relentless. I tend to think of the tactics BoS as a better version of Caesar's Legion. Unlike the Legion, they're actually shown in the situation that explains (if not justifies) their methods. Where we just see the Legion when it's trying to destroy Freedom and Democracy, we see the Brotherhood fighting to survive against the sort of thing that we only hear about for Caesar. Sure, the Brotherhood is a dictatorship that crucifies people, forces villages to offer up their children as soldiers, and uses slave labor, but they're not raping and eating people's dogs, you know? They also show more flexibility than the Legion. (Ironically more in keeping with what I've read of the original flavor Romans) Where Caesar bans tech, has women as sex slaves and executes homosexuals, the Eastern Brotherhood pretty much goes with whatever seems to work. Women in high office? Sure! Deathclaws want in? Eh, fine. Ghoul shows initiative? gently caress it! Get her some power armor, not like anyone else will do better with it. While the Legion handicaps itself even more than the NCR, the Brotherhood in Tactics play dirty and play to win. Basically, they're both horrible people, but the pitch for the Legion is pretty weak, while the pitch for the Eastern Brotherhood hits the same highlights and has the same general outline of problems, but actually manages to show something that would be appealing to the average wastelander that the NCR doesn't do better.
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aniviron posted:I'm really surprised to find people recommending Fallout 4 over 3. Fallout 4 is barely even an RPG by any standard. It looks a lot better than FO3 and it doesn't have that weird jankiness that FO3 and FNV have where movement and shooting feel terrible but other than that FO3 is superior in almost every way. Fallout 4 is pretty much just the main quest and then a bunch of radiant "go to x kill y enemies and return" quests. Fallout 3 is a fine Fallout game besides the main quest not being terribly good. There's a team working on porting NV to the FO4 engine. My understanding is it's reasonably advanced so is unlikely to just vanish. I look forward to it because I get a better frame rate in 4 than I do in NV. Also while we're on classic Fallout may I take the opportunity to plug Arcanum. Similar appeal: rich world, comedy here and there, lots of exploration and sidequests. Done by many of the same people as the originals. Has a more compelling plot and novel setting too. Imo plays a bit better because things like the option of real time combat and the more elaborate systems ease through the crappy mechanics. Neurosis fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Feb 14, 2018 |
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Neurosis posted:There's a team working on porting NV to the FO4 engine. My understanding is it's reasonably advanced so is unlikely to just vanish. I look forward to it because I get a better frame rate in 4 than I do in NV. I hear a lot of people shittalk game remakes and I understand why, but anyone who has played both 3/NV and 4 should be hopeful that these projects finish. For most games like Black Mesa it's just about making the game prettier which I can take or leave, whatever. But Half Life 1 still plays perfectly fine after all these years. 3/NV however, even jumping is difficult because the engine is just so garbage. Having both these games remade in an engine that doesn't suck would be so nice.
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btw i hear the shooting is way better in fo4 but is sneaking and/or melee combat better?
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StashAugustine posted:btw i hear the shooting is way better in fo4 but is sneaking and/or melee combat better? No. Melee combat is loving awful. Sneaking feels pretty much the same. You can equip pieces of armor that improve your stealthiness, but that's about the only big change.
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too bad about melee, this melee char just makes me wish i was playing vermintide
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Wingnut Ninja posted:No. Melee combat is loving awful. Sneaking feels pretty much the same. You can equip pieces of armor that improve your stealthiness, but that's about the only big change. It's worth noting that while melee combat is trash, melee builds are arguably the most powerful.
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Neurosis posted:There's a team working on porting NV to the FO4 engine. My understanding is it's reasonably advanced so is unlikely to just vanish. I look forward to it because I get a better frame rate in 4 than I do in NV. yeah, and Skywind will be released any day now. quote:Also while we're on classic Fallout may I take the opportunity to plug Arcanum. Similar appeal: rich world, comedy here and there, lots of exploration and sidequests. Done by many of the same people as the originals. Has a more compelling plot and novel setting too. Imo plays a bit better because things like the option of real time combat and the more elaborate systems ease through the crappy mechanics. If Fallout 1 and 2 are too janky for someone I really wouldn't recommend Arcanum.
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Feb 14, 2018 06:41
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And I'll bet you enjoy telling children Santa isn't real you meany! 
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Neurosis posted:And I'll bet you enjoy telling children Santa isn't real you meany! Look. All I'm saying is that, if Santa brought kids Arcanum, they never would have made him a saint.
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Arcanum is basically pure bank but I love it anyway.
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Arcanum is so good. You really don't get games like that anymore. I bought it at release and probably beat it a dozen times.
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