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Basically, any candidate can avoid accepting PAC contributions to their own actual campaign but those PACs can still do their own commercials and campaign support, right?
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Instant Sunrise posted:people itt acting like prairie socialism was never a thing. While this isn't entirely untrue, it still misses an important thing. The Democrats did not lose these people because they softened on supporting labor/leftism. Democrats softened on labor because a disproportionate part of the labor/leftism wing of the party was also the white supremacist wing of the party. So much so that they got poached by the Southern Strategy even if it meant embracing right-wing economics as a cost. THEN Democrats found themselves a a shrinking party totally shut out of the presidency for a generation, and clawed back into relevancy by focusing on fiscal moderates that were pro civil rights. And that shift was decades ago: those people who grew up on New Deal programs have been telling their kids and grandkids for years how they never needed government handouts like those welfare queens today. There's a lot to be gained from selling independents, non-voters, and increasingly disillusioned Republicans on more left-wing policies, to be clear. Especially with what a corrupt shitshow Republican leadership has been in red states even before Trump, the right phrasing could at least get them to stop supporting more of it. It's just that there's also not some leftist silent majority across the plains that just hasn't been reached out to.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:05
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empty whippet box posted:This coverup attempt has the unmistakeable stupidity and unintentionally transparent corruption that means it must have come from Trump himself. How could anyone possibly think anybody would believe this? And how the gently caress did he get the lawyer to go along with this? There is a chance that Trump just stiffed the guy though, right? If there was ever a guy to pull the "checks in the mail" con on someone, it'd be him.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:08
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Brony Car posted:Basically, any candidate can avoid accepting PAC contributions to their own actual campaign but those PACs can still do their own commercials and campaign support, right? ding ding ding That's the actual power of PACs, and is how they will continue to be used by anyone claiming to not take "donations" from them.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:10
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Feb 14, 2018 05:11
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eyebeem posted:ding ding ding loving citizens united.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:12
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Brony Car posted:Basically, any candidate can avoid accepting PAC contributions to their own actual campaign but those PACs can still do their own commercials and campaign support, right? Its not really possible to stop PACs from spending money without your input or permission to advertise for your election. You can publicly demand that they stop I guess, but that would be self-defeating because it would needlessly muddy up your own message and no one will believe you don't want independent PACs to help you out.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:12
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Bottom Liner posted:
Mate, there's a billion trillion valid and unassailable reasons to despise and mock shuckabee, maybe let's leave her physical appearance alone eh?
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Feb 14, 2018 05:13
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joepinetree posted:Former co-worker apparently This loving hack is complaining about "context collapse" taking her slurs out of context while ignoring the context that is the USA's/world's lovely treatment of minorities and women (you know, the context that created those slurs and then made them unacceptable). This has to be some kind of performance art.
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Killer robot posted:While this isn't entirely untrue, it still misses an important thing. The Democrats did not lose these people because they softened on supporting labor/leftism. Democrats softened on labor because a disproportionate part of the labor/leftism wing of the party was also the white supremacist wing of the party. So much so that they got poached by the Southern Strategy even if it meant embracing right-wing economics as a cost. THEN Democrats found themselves a a shrinking party totally shut out of the presidency for a generation, and clawed back into relevancy by focusing on fiscal moderates that were pro civil rights. This isn't true at all. Labor unions were always the weakest in the south, so the idea that the southern strategy is what cost democrats support of labor is laughable.
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Killer robot posted:While this isn't entirely untrue, it still misses an important thing. The Democrats did not lose these people because they softened on supporting labor/leftism. Democrats softened on labor because a disproportionate part of the labor/leftism wing of the party was also the white supremacist wing of the party. So much so that they got poached by the Southern Strategy even if it meant embracing right-wing economics as a cost. THEN Democrats found themselves a a shrinking party totally shut out of the presidency for a generation, and clawed back into relevancy by focusing on fiscal moderates that were pro civil rights. Not just the race-related elements of the 50's-60's but also the rise of the wedgiest of all wedge issues, abortion. joepinetree posted:This isn't true at all. Labor unions were always the weakest in the south, so the idea that the southern strategy is what cost democrats support of labor is laughable. The coalition party of FDR fractured in the sight of civil rights http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/alliance-us-labor-unions-and-democratic-party http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1751.html Boon fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Feb 14, 2018 |
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Arturo Ui posted:I honestly think the only thing saving Kelly is that Trump is the only person who can fire him, and Trump can't fire anyone Oh dear, this is it, isn't it.
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Killer robot posted:While this isn't entirely untrue, it still misses an important thing. The Democrats did not lose these people because they softened on supporting labor/leftism. Democrats softened on labor because a disproportionate part of the labor/leftism wing of the party was also the white supremacist wing of the party. That was Fred Dutton's mentality after 1968, but he and other Democratic leaders ended up just throwing the baby out with the bathwater: quote:With the help of strategist Fred Dutton, Democrats forged a new coalition. By quietly cutting back the influence of unions, Dutton sought to eject the white working class from the Democratic Party, which he saw as “a major redoubt of traditional Americanism and of the antinegro, antiyouth vote.” The future, he argued, lay in a coalition of African Americans, feminists, and affluent, young, college-educated whites. In 1972, George McGovern would win the Democratic nomination with this very coalition, and many of the Watergate Babies entering office just three years later gleaned their first experiences in politics on his campaign. quote:With key intellectuals in the Democratic Party increasingly agreeing with Republican thought leaders on the virtues of corporate concentration, the political economic debate changed drastically. Henceforth, the economic leadership of the two parties would increasingly argue not over whether concentrations of wealth were threats to democracy or to the economy, but over whether concentrations of wealth would be centrally directed through the public sector or managed through the private sector—a big-government redistributionist party versus a small-government libertarian party. Democrats and Republicans disagreed on the purpose of concentrated power, but everyone agreed on its inevitability. By the late 1970s, the populist Brandeisian anti-monopoly tradition—protecting communities by breaking up concentrations of power—had been air-brushed out of the debate. And in doing so, America’s fundamental political vision transformed: from protecting citizen sovereignty to maximizing consumer welfare.
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Boon posted:Not just the race-related elements of the 50's-60's but also the rise of the wedgiest of all wedge issues, abortion. I like how you linked a page where the words labor or union appear 0 times to support this moronic point.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:20
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Feb 14, 2018 05:22
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Called this poo poo pages ago. You cannot create an environment of oppression, feed it limitless power, and not expect a criminal culture to take place. ICE sees immigrants as sacks of flesh to meet a need..their psychopathy hinders them from viewing them as people.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:25
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LOL how stupid does Mike Cohen think we all are?
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Feb 14, 2018 05:27
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How the gently caress are there so many people that keep falling on their sword for this guy.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:28
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joepinetree posted:I like how you linked a page where the words labor or union appear 0 times to support this moronic point. In retrospect, I think I thought you were saying something different.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:28
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/tparti/status/963624434140614656 lol I noticed that. taken individually, each of his sentences are probably technically true, but...
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Feb 14, 2018 05:28
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To dismiss these allegations, Cohen posted a photo of his passport and #fakenews.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:30
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Neo Rasa posted:How the gently caress are there so many people that keep falling on their sword for this guy. Who else is going to hire that smarmy gently caress?
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Feb 14, 2018 05:30
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Neo Rasa posted:How the gently caress are there so many people that keep falling on their sword for this guy. Unless something turns up to refute this, I think Trump gets away with this cleanly. The argument is air-tight. Even if it is a lie, the timing of the lie would have been so damaging that it was worth it to pay her out. Innocent people settle all the time (we have been led to believe). It doesn’t pass the smell test, so expect to hear about this in 2020, and by that I mean expect to see it for half a second in a 3 hour montage of all the other poo poo Trump has said or done.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:34
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MickeyFinn posted:This loving hack is complaining about "context collapse" taking her slurs out of context while ignoring the context that is the USA's/world's lovely treatment of minorities and women (you know, the context that created those slurs and then made them unacceptable). This has to be some kind of performance art. https://twitter.com/NYTimesPR/status/963613435933200384
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Feb 14, 2018 05:38
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FlamingLiberal posted:She would have fit right in with the rest of those NYT editorial hacks NOT a good look.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:40
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In that Daily Kos spreadsheet, they have a tabulation of R - D flips as well as D - R flips. The Dems have flipped 38 seats and the Republicans have flipped... 5 if we keep this pressure up everywhere we can regain the seats that were lost in the Tea Party wave
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Boon posted:In retrospect, I think I thought you were saying something different. And to make this as clear as possible: Dixiecrats were anti-union and they were the ones to pass the first right to work laws in the country. Nearly the entire south passed right to work laws in the late 40s and early 50s. The notion that embracing civil rights is what cost democrats the vote of labor is not only wrong, it is the opposite of what happened. Not that labor unions were paradises of racial integration, but southern democrats were anti-union, especially since many southern unions were integrated. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Feb 14, 2018 |
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Feb 14, 2018 05:42
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Neo Rasa posted:How the gently caress are there so many people that keep falling on their sword for this guy. Because working with Trump makes you the equivelant of pond scum in the legal and business world. You are tainted forever, nobody else will hire you, and he is the last hope you have for your wealthy lifestyle. Desperation to stay evil and rich is a hell of a motivator. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Feb 14, 2018 |
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Feb 14, 2018 05:43
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Niwrad posted:There is a chance that Trump just stiffed the guy though, right? If there was ever a guy to pull the "checks in the mail" con on someone, it'd be him. if i was gonna stiff someone it wouldn't be the person who just paid a pornstar hush-money to cover up an affair I had
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Feb 14, 2018 05:56
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aware of dog posted:From her article called "Introduction to the lulz" She seems like a perfect fit for the NYT and their love of Nazis tbh. If the NYT didn't know about their new hire's past it's because they actively chose to avoid looking in to it. Either way, the NYT is rapidly becoming garbage and their occasional good piece isn't enough to outweigh their "NAZIS, THEY'RE JUST LIKE US" insanity. Mustached Demon posted:Emirates is owned by a state built on oil and the blood of essentially what amounts to slaves. Texas doesn't own Emirates though.  Mustached Demon posted:Bookers making a serious run. He'd do well imo. Not enough to get me off a hypothetical Duckworth pain train. Booker is literally the Wall Street whore that everyone accused Clinton of being. gently caress him and anyone who thinks him running in 2020 would be a good thing. He's probably to the right of Joe Biden, let alone the Obamas and Clintons. He's going to keep accepting money from his big donors, just through PACs his office definitely doesn't work hand in hand with. Execute this piece of poo poo. ...also them stealing the identities of immigrants for personal gain is pretty bad.
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Carlosologist posted:In that Daily Kos spreadsheet, they have a tabulation of R - D flips as well as D - R flips. The Dems have flipped 38 seats and the Republicans have flipped... 5 Grab a surf board.
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Feb 14, 2018 06:00
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joepinetree posted:This isn't true at all. Labor unions were always the weakest in the south, so the idea that the southern strategy is what cost democrats support of labor is laughable. Despite the name, the southern strategy was never more exclusively southern than racist whites are. It was just quickest and most visible there. Labor was no exception, since the civil rights movement sharply divided labor unions. A lot of unions integrated well and early. A lot of other ones fought tooth and nail.Members of the second kind, when pressed, went with politicians that were "states rights" and "traditional values" friendly even if it meant buying into the economic package that went with it. It also wasn't a strategy that sprung up fully formed under Nixon either. It evolved over years through Reaganism, invoking religion and all sorts of culture war issues to make people who were formerly all for left-wing economic policy gradually "Oh yeah, those unions and New Deal programs sure seemed nice, but it just meant that those crooks and slackers moved in to take advantage of upstanding normal Americans like us". That targeting was nationwide. It worked straight up in the South or in northern population centers where white people had black people nearby (at least before white flight really got rolling). In more rural or geographically segregated areas it leaned more on those feds taking your tax money or big unions taking your dues while telling you how to live your life.
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Feb 14, 2018 06:02
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Feb 14, 2018 06:04
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Instant Sunrise posted:people itt acting like prairie socialism was never a thing. You can't get Oklahoma back on socialist principles because it's illegal to enact socialist policies for only white people.
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Feb 14, 2018 06:04
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He probably submitted an invoice to the Trump Organization and Trump refused to pay it.
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Feb 14, 2018 06:05
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If true that is positive news for immigration at least
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Feb 14, 2018 06:06
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Petr posted:You can't get Oklahoma back on socialist principles because it's illegal to enact socialist policies for only white people. Exactly this. A massive amount of social programs and labor protections enacted before the Nixon administration were explicitly crafted to disproportionately benefit white people. The more illegal or at least difficult it became to guarantee no one else got in, the more white supporters of said programs and protections decided they weren't that important anyway.
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Petr posted:You can't get Oklahoma back on socialist principles because it's illegal to enact socialist policies for only white people. I mean you probably could in Oklahoma being there's no one else there. This is a joke.
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FlamingLiberal posted:If true that is positive news for immigration at least Isn't Cohn the registered Democrat? Or is that someone else
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