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cargohills posted:I really don't see what the problem is with (a) liking voice acting in games and (b) thinking that it makes games more appealing to general audiences. The Morrowind approach was fine but going back to it now the paragraphs of often generic text are as immersion-breaking as some people having the same voices. Are you an Oblivion character? Cause the dialog responses I'm getting from you aren't matching the conversation I think we're supposed to be having.
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KakerMix posted:Are you an Oblivion character? Cause the dialog responses I'm getting from you aren't matching the conversation I think we're supposed to be having. I also don't see the problem with making some characters immortal, if that's what you're getting at. New Vegas managed it but the whole game was built around it. It probably wouldn't work for a more traditional fantasy story.
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Randaconda posted:Yeah. I heard consoles was why all the main cities were in their own cell and why poo poo was so empty. What happened with Deus Ex? The game was intended to be ported over to the Xbox and as a result everything had to be tiny. Remember the awesome Statue of Liberty map the original Deus Ex opens in? That's probably bigger than all the rest of the rooms in the game combined. Even worse, because of memory limitations the game couldn't have that many actors on screen at once. I think they had to limit it to something sily like f5. You also had: -Extremely long loading times between each tiny room. -Inventory removed because the Xbox didn't have enough RAM to handle it -Skills removed -Universal ammo It completely ruined the game from a "fun to play" aspect and because of how insidious it was throughout the game it wasn't as minimal as messed up keymappings but fundamentally altered how the game played. The plot being really dumb didn't help either.
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KakerMix posted:I'm not super familiar with the in-company drama behind it but I always heard that he was a part of why Morrowind (and Elder Scrolls in general) being so weird. Since there is such a difference between weird Morrowind and Lord of the Rings Oblivion lots of people lean on him as the reason. The writing team for Morrowind was Douglas Goodall, Mark E. Nelson, Ken Rolston, Bill Burcham, Todd Howard, Michael Kirkbride, Ted Peterson, and Todd Vaughn. Kirkbride was also a concept artist and is largely responsible for most of the weirdness in Morrowind, but there was a general design direction to make it a strange and exotic place. Kirkbride also worked on Oblivion and Skyrim, but as a freelance consultant rather than regular employee. Mostly, Kirkbride is associated to everything that's cool and weird in TES largely because he interacted a lot with the fans on the Beth forums and kept coming up with increasingly weirder stuff.
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The dramatic stories and questlines in Oblivion and Skyrim are another big part of why essential characters are a thing. There are almost no points in Morrowind where two characters interact with each other, no points where a big villain appears to you and comes up with some convoluted reason you can't kill him (except uh the main bad guy I guess, but that's kind of his thing). If you kill, say, the head of House Telvanni because he's getting in your way, well... that's allowed! You're the new grandmaster. It's not a style that a modern game could really pull off without coming across as weirdly static and wooden, I think. Games now need heavy scripting and detail or they just... don't work, one of the reasons you don't see as many quest mods as you used to. It's unfortunate but there's no going back  Of course this isn't helped by Bethesda being hacks who are determined to undermine everything people like about their games at every opportunity.
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I suck so bad and am total idiot. According to Steam I have 450 hours in Skyrim. I know the farthest I've progressed through the main storyline is to go up the mountains and talk to the beardos up there and learn a shout. I think I did that twice. All the rest of the 450 hours was an endless series of "Oh! I know, a new idea for a build!" and then I spend an hour making a character that's like a White Walker, console-gifting him the proper weapons or using mods for it, and then playing it for four hours before getting bored and making a new one. And this new one is like an 80s Ninja. Then maybe I make a vampire. Repeat endlessly. I burned myself out on the game so badly I quit and didn't play for months. A couple of days ago I fired it up again, to see what saved characters were still there, what I was playing as when last I quit. There was a character dressed up like a Roman Centurion, running around with three other identically-dressed guys, swinging the little Roman gladius shortsword at everyone. Which is kind of funny looking when you see him fighting a guy with a war axe that is six feet long and probably weighs 120 pounds. Then I had an Orc, kitted out in Uruk-Hai armor from LOTR, and his five identically-dressed Uruk-Hai followers. I vaguely remember wondering if I made an orc warband of say thirty dudes if I could go kill everyone in Whiterun, but I never tried it. I had the obligatory stealth archer who had progressed to the point that the game was no fun anymore. Maybe some day I will stick with one guy and play this game all the way through.
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Feb 15, 2018 02:08
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I've actually gotten as far as meeting the dragon who hangs out with the Greybeards once. Once. Mostly yeah I just gently caress around til i get bored with a character, rinse and repeat ten trillion times. (I've weirdly never gotten far at all as a stealth archer.)
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Feb 15, 2018 02:10
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I’ve completed the main quest once. On the Xbox 360. I have several hundred hours on the PC version. Modding is absolutely the game.
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Feb 15, 2018 02:33
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I've never actually climbed up the greybeard mountain.
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Feb 15, 2018 02:46
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When I played Oldrim I never even fought the first dragon at Whiterun because I decided to go to Falkreath instead to start the game.
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Feb 15, 2018 02:56
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cargohills posted:I also don't see the problem with making some characters immortal, if that's what you're getting at. New Vegas managed it but the whole game was built around it. It probably wouldn't work for a more traditional fantasy story. Making characters immortal is treated as an easy-out for story ribbons because you can just make sure that a person won't die so they can exposition in your face. Hard to play some roles when you aren't allowed to act that role out because a game play mechanic deems in so. aka ~muh immersion~ Really all I am doing is going  BETHESDA because they seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of where their strengths lie (giant-rear end worlds and all the details within) and instead focus on things they are not good at (lmao Fallout 4's no-choice small boy Shaun). Up until Fallout 4 I just assumed I'd always buy whatever Bethesda grand Skyrim/Fallout game because of modding. Now though they've decided to try to monetize that it feels like there is a ribbon of apathy that wasn't there before that might cause the community to just stick with Skyrim rather than move on to whatever new monetization schemes Bethesda will put in the next Elder Scrolls game. You know they are going to.If Bethesda makes more money though it will be considered a success and I'll just bitch like an old man on the internet, like I'm doing now!
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Feb 15, 2018 03:06
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axeil posted:When I played Oldrim I never even fought the first dragon at Whiterun because I decided to go to Falkreath instead to start the game. I did the same thing but eventually went to Whiterun to make the dragons show up. I've never beaten the main quest either. I think the farthest I've gotten is doing a few things with the Blade's lady. KakerMix posted:Really all I am doing is going I'm pretty sure they do understand that. The problem is they want that other stuff too but don't appear to have the internal talent to pull it off. There's no reason they couldn't have cool, big open worlds AND well-designed quests with solid writing. Putting more focus on it is their way of saying "hey look, we've improved this part of the game everyone thinks is weak!" while not realizing that they didn't actually make it much better.
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Feb 15, 2018 03:32
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KakerMix posted:Making characters immortal is treated as an easy-out for story ribbons because you can just make sure that a person won't die so they can exposition in your face. Hard to play some roles when you aren't allowed to act that role out because a game play mechanic deems in so. aka ~muh immersion~ Yeah Fallout 4 was the first Bethesda game I've played (FO3/Skyrim/New Vegas) where I was straight up unhappy playing and I finished it solely out of spite. I get the sense that was pretty much everyone's reaction to it. Had they made Fallout 4 work like New Vegas (please save us Obsidian) or hell, even a Fallout 3 with all the things they've learned about world-building since it would've been great. The other big Fallout 4 issue was that literally every problem was solved by killing things and the skill system was so shallow every character felt the same. And all the "dungeons" were the same thing over and over as well. The only remotely unique/interesting part was the town of malfunctioning robots. They did a nice job on the visuals though, I will give them that, and using Fenway as the main city was a neat bit of world-building. Everything else was not worth the price of admission.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:The dramatic stories and questlines in Oblivion and Skyrim are another big part of why essential characters are a thing. There are almost no points in Morrowind where two characters interact with each other, no points where a big villain appears to you and comes up with some convoluted reason you can't kill him (except uh the main bad guy I guess, but that's kind of his thing). If you kill, say, the head of House Telvanni because he's getting in your way, well... that's allowed! You're the new grandmaster. The three word rebuttal to that is "Fallout:New Vegas." Morrowind is great, I love Morrowind, but I think nostalgia takes hold. The quests were still linear relative to Fallout 1 and 2. And the wiki-dialog was awful, perhaps worse than the short little dialog bits in Skyrim.
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prometheusbound2 posted:The three word rebuttal to that is "Fallout:New Vegas." I haven't revisted Morrowind but I'm sure I'd get in and go "woah this loving sucks" when I go to hit something/someone and I swing into nothing. I just miss what I thought Bethesda was like back then, now they are fat and lazy and meh, let's have someone else do the giant open world with a free modding kit just because instead of trying to monetize other peoples' free time.
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KakerMix posted:Making characters immortal is treated as an easy-out for story ribbons because you can just make sure that a person won't die so they can exposition in your face. Hard to play some roles when you aren't allowed to act that role out because a game play mechanic deems in so. aka ~muh immersion~ Lets be fair, I'm half tempted to stick with Skyrim because of the Beyond Skyrim team. Are they ever going to finish? I highly doubt it. But if every part of their team churns out at least a Bruma-sized piece of content, that'll be what? 7 DLCs worth of content, each in a uniquely designed location?
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The Bee posted:King Among Kine seems absurdly useful. Being able to keep your high-thirst abilities along with your low-thirst abilities seems rather best of both worlds to me. I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I took an arrow... to the heart... sebmojo fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Feb 15, 2018 |
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hurr durr Bethesda are such lazy hacks its why I'm still playing and talking about their game 7 years after it came out.
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They're very good at creating an open world full of killable things and a satisfying gameplay loop. Just don't ask them to make that world reactive or the persons interesting.
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I mean people poo poo on Bethesda all the time now but there's a reason they still basically own this genre. For all we might whine about their bad writing on these forums, I don't think the average gamer is actually bothered by it. They can create the illusion of a cohesive world and narrative well-enough that people aren't bothered by it enough to turn away from these games. I'm interested in seeing how much BOTW influences the next TES game. BOTW got more attention than any open-world game has in ages. I'd be really surprised if Bethesda didn't try to incorporate elements of it, but this series being first person seems like a big limiter in terms of fluid movement options.
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The Bee posted:Isn't there an "essential for everyone but the player" flag? I'd set every essential to that in a heartbeat. axeil posted:The game was intended to be ported over to the Xbox and as a result everything had to be tiny. Remember the awesome Statue of Liberty map the original Deus Ex opens in? That's probably bigger than all the rest of the rooms in the game combined. Even worse, because of memory limitations the game couldn't have that many actors on screen at once. I think they had to limit it to something sily like f5. If anyone's interested in seeing a conversation about Deus Ex and Invisible War, here's a video of Warren Spector and Harvey Smith talking about video game design and doing a full post-mortem of the games.
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Invisible War is a perfectly fine shooter, it's just not as good as the best PC game ever made. I can live with that.
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Feb 15, 2018 10:40
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Morrowind was on the Xbox, Invisible War was a lazy game.
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prometheusbound2 posted:The three word rebuttal to that is "Fallout:New Vegas." Yeah, good designers can get around it if the entire game is built on it from the ground up. Bethesda have chosen to take a specific route and style where it doesn't work and that's entirely their own fault - just saying there are interesting reasons that lead to it too. Stuff like NPCs in MW never fighting each other without player interference. Radiant AI might not be as cool as they made it out to be but it's still a spanner in the works. I think I covered Morrowind having linear and static quests/dialogue which would be even more jarring and weird in a game with modern production values.
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Skwirl posted:Morrowind was on the Xbox, Invisible War was a lazy game. I always read that the problem with IW was that the guy designing their custom engine jumped ship halfway through development and left 0 documentation, so they had to reverse-engineer this unfinished garbage fire of an engine to do what they wanted in a very short time before release.
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Vavrek posted:There is! "Protected", I think it's called. Housecarls are protected: If Lydia dies, it's your fault. If I remember right all active followers get Protected status. A mod to change all Essential people to Protected would be pretty cool, actually.
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Its ok guys, I took the five seconds to search nexus https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/78110 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/25137 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34623
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I know the Protect your People mod mass sets protected status. It just needs a de-essentializing companion. e: Of which all of those look really promising. Thank you!
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Mr Scumbag posted:hurr durr Bethesda are such lazy hacks its why I'm still playing and talking about their game 7 years after it came out. Internet Kraken posted:I mean people poo poo on Bethesda all the time now but there's a reason they still basically own this genre. For all we might whine about their bad writing on these forums, I don't think the average gamer is actually bothered by it. They can create the illusion of a cohesive world and narrative well-enough that people aren't bothered by it enough to turn away from these games. 
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Tasteful Dickpic posted:Invisible War is a perfectly fine shooter, it's just not as good as the best PC game ever made. I don't know if you've played Invisible War at all since it came out but it's definitely not a "perfectly fine shooter" in any sense. I mean I guess except for the bare basics of "there are guns" and "there is a crosshair on the screen" and "you can make bullets go towards that crosshair." I remembered it not being all that bad but then I tried it again like a year ago and yeah it's appallingly bad.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPwpLDvAnvo&t=491s
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I'm midway through the campaign. Are there any mods I can insert to make the world of the game more dangerous? I don't have any mods installed at all.
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The OP has a few good ones to boost enemy levels, immersive creatures adds some interesting ones too. You can also find some to make dragons actually rough or disable sneak archery's broken ways.
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KakerMix posted:Are you an Oblivion character? Cause the dialog responses I'm getting from you aren't matching the conversation I think we're supposed to be having. 
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Okay, can anyone who has experience with Morrowloot Ultimate explain how the hell you unlock daedric smithing? The mod author's a real  and acts like knowing this is like knowing who killed JFK. There's absolutely nothing on the Internet about what the hell you're supposed to do except people cryptically saying ~*do the thing*~.I've already finished the main Dragonborn quest and gotten all 7 of the black books and done all the side quests and gotten all the crafting-related smithing perks. What the hell am I missing? edit: I mean look at this  poo poo. I don't care about lore I'm level 50 and everything dies in practically one hit, I'd like to use all the 8 million dragon bones and ebony I've been saving.quote:Daedric: crafting Daedric is lost knowledge so you're going to have to find knowledge that no other smith in the game will possess. Not gonna spoil where. What I will tell you is that you're working with Ebony, so Skyforge only, and it can only be crafted at night (cuz lore). quote:The author considers sharing this information to be a spoiler, but it really boils down to "stop being lazy and play Dragonborn and you'll be able to craft your gear." loving modders. axeil fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Feb 16, 2018 |
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Just open up the mod in TESEdit and see what the conditions for it are. That does sound like Hermaeus Mora's gig though. There's a reason that Morrowloot is the only TrainWiz mod I don't open-palm slam into my load order. Anyhow, I just found out about the most Bethesda of glitches with SSE: Cells with underscores in the EDID break save sorting! 
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Post your findings here, please, because that sounds like some bullshit.
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Internet Kraken posted:I mean people poo poo on Bethesda all the time now but there's a reason they still basically own this genre. For all we might whine about their bad writing on these forums, I don't think the average gamer is actually bothered by it. They can create the illusion of a cohesive world and narrative well-enough that people aren't bothered by it enough to turn away from these games. There's already crazy air control just implement bunnyhopping
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