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C-Euro posted:This quote from the main thread i think ponza works because you get to ramp into stuff that is bigger than what everyone else has. like you get to play inferno titans and Basically Plague Wind that also damages your opponent and things like that. If the "land destruction and sort of efficient threats" plan is good enough, i think the best version exists in something like Blink Riders
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I just took what I already had and jammed in some BBEs and tweaked my creatures (as I expected to, I saw an uptick in aggro so need to drop the curve a little and add more early lifegain). https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/939158#paper Huntmaster is pretty dope right now with this bizarre Flameblade Adept nonsense flying around, when you need that second blocker on turn 2-3 and the wolf token saves your rear end. Still, there's nothing like turn 1 Arbor Elf, opponent plays a Colonnade or some other tapped land, turn 2 land, Utopia Sprawl, BBE cascade into Blood Moon. Side note: Despise the word "Ponza" with every fiber of my being. I have no idea why, it's just the stupidest nonsensical name for a deck.
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So, is the most expensive part of most modern combo decks still the manabase? Putting aside I guess the super chase cards like Tarmogoyf and JtmS which I understand is legal again? One of these days I really want to start getting into modern, as it seems like one of the most fun formats. I have a modern UR storm deck in MTGO that I like a lot, and is mostly super cheap, but the $100+ in lands alone for a paper version has always been a little hard to swallow. I guess it sounds like they're reprinting a lot of modern staples now, so hopefully shocklands are one of them eventually?
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:i think ponza works because you get to ramp into stuff that is bigger than what everyone else has. like you get to play inferno titans and Basically Plague Wind that also damages your opponent and things like that. If the "land destruction and sort of efficient threats" plan is good enough, i think the best version exists in something like Blink Riders Yeah I want to cascade into cool cards with BBE but the cards that help Ponza ramp up and be Ponza are decidedly uncool, at least for Cascade. BBE into Blightning or mana denial like Blood Moon or Stone Rain sounds rad though... BaronVonVaderham posted:I just took what I already had and jammed in some BBEs and tweaked my creatures (as I expected to, I saw an uptick in aggro so need to drop the curve a little and add more early lifegain). You're off the four Stormbreath train? I'm actually trying to figure out if I can do FNM tomorrow and I was going to take Ponza out for the first time if so. C-Euro fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Feb 15, 2018 |
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You'd be surprised. Turn 2 or 3 Cascading into another Utopia Sprawl or Birds to let me play 2 spells the next turn or go Monstrous with Stormbreath sooner isn't the worst thing in the world. It's not the most broken thing you can be doing with BBE, but it upped the consistency of finding my mana denial cards for sure. Plus, I've already faced down two JTMS, and both times they dropped him on an empty board and thought it was safe to Brainstorm. So nice to sneak in a haste threat after they tap out instead of inevitably getting my dragons hit with Cryptics. Working on Jund, though, and BBE into Blightning is what I want to be doing there. EDIT: No, I'm still running 3 Stormbreath. I cut Thundermaw, though he could come back if I see a ton of Linging Souls (I haven't seen a single copy of that in weeks).
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Elvis_Maximus posted:So, is the most expensive part of most modern combo decks still the manabase? Putting aside I guess the super chase cards like Tarmogoyf and JtmS which I understand is legal again? Shocklands are actually the cheaper lands, the fetches, especially Scalding Tarn, are where the real money costs are. Although with people playing more modern now, shocks have been going up a bit.
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So I've been watching a lot of people streaming new modern brews. So far, the decks I've been most impressed by are the Lotus Cobra / Jace decks that move quickly, and then lock out the game. I'm still watching various brews; but so far theyve impresed me the most. Anyone caught anything interesting / appealing? UW Miracles is my dream; but I'm not convinced is the ideal path forward at this point.
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Thisuck posted:Shocklands are actually the cheaper lands, the fetches, especially Scalding Tarn, are where the real money costs are. Although with people playing more modern now, shocks have been going up a bit. Dang, that's crazy. I thought paying like $20 per land was already pretty pricey. I guess that's just the shallow end of the cardboard yacht pool.
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my friend, let me tell you about the Old School 93/94 format,
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Dang, that's crazy. I thought paying like $20 per land was already pretty pricey. I guess that's just the shallow end of the cardboard yacht pool. Where are you buying your cards? I just checked TCGplayer and Steam Vents is only like $15. I mean, I'm up for supporting LGS, but when you're saving like $5 per card, I'd just buy them online.
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Walked posted:So I've been watching a lot of people streaming new modern brews. What's the cobra jace deck? I'd like to see that. This is probably a boring suggestion but I've been wondering if now is a good time for the traditional blue moon decks (not the UR breach ones). Jace is obviously a shot in the arm for it and blood moon is probably pretty good right now considering the expected influx of greedy jund decks and tron decks, plus it can likely fight UW control pretty well.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:What's the cobra jace deck? I'd like to see that. This is one version I've seen floating around (Sorry; dont have a copyable list - snagged this from a stream)  I caught another version on stream that another player was running that was BUGr and looked SUPER POTENT and would love to find a list, but nothing yet on that front. (Also a Lotus Cobra / Jace list) edit: https://twitter.com/Bahra01/status/964192886299463680 That's the list I saw on stream; although not Hoogland's stream. The deck he's toying with looks great Walked fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Feb 15, 2018 |
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Fingers McLongDong posted:What's the cobra jace deck? I'd like to see that. I had a similar thought as well- people are going to be trying to force Jace into a lot of decks and stretching their mana to do so, so I think mana denial strategies are going to be good for a little bit. I'm probably going to stick with Ponza or Blue Moon (Breach version) for a while until people figure out the mana for new Jace decks. I actually don't remember what the old version of Blue Moon looked like before the Breach and Madcap Experiment combos made their way into the deck. Do you have a list in mind? Weren't they running stuff like Teferi? C-Euro fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Feb 15, 2018 |
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Walked posted:This is one version I've seen floating around (Sorry; dont have a copyable list - snagged this from a stream) I'm bored, Deckstats.net is easy, and I wanted to learn the cards so I made it clickable: Deck: Jace Cobra from SA   //Lands 2 Breeding Pool 5 Forest 1 Island 3 Lumbering Falls 4 Misty Rainforest 4 Tectonic Edge 2 Verdant Catacombs 4 Windswept Heath //Spells 4 Explore 4 Jace, the Mind Sculptor 4 Utopia Sprawl //Creatures 4 Arbor Elf 3 Avenger of Zendikar 4 Courser of Kruphix 4 Lotus Cobra 4 Oracle of Mul Daya 4 Tireless Tracker //Sideboard 2 Carnage Tyrant 1 Entrancing Melody 2 Nature's Claim 3 Negate 2 Obstinate Baloth 3 Relic of Progenitus 2 Thrun, the Last Troll  Display deck statistics
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That lotus cobra deck is... interesting. Might be a fun try.C-Euro posted:I had a similar thought as well- people are going to be trying to force Jace into a lot of decks and stretching their mana to do so, so I think mana denial strategies are going to be good for a little bit. I'm probably going to stick with Ponza or Blue Moon (Breach version) for a while until people figure out the mana for new Jace decks. I forgot about the madcap versions. The old versions just won with bolts, snaps, and clique's mostly, iirc. Madcap might actually be pretty good since you can use jace to put an emperion that's stuck in your hand back into the deck for madcap. I need to get some emperion's and give that a whirl one day, except k-command might be more popular than before and jund has a million ways to kill the big dude.
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Yeah I'm running the Breach version instead because I not only had the Emrakuls and Breaches already, but Empirion seems too easy to kill these days. You mentioned K-Command but I'm also seeing certain decks running Abrade in the maindeck. I agree that Jace will be pretty good in either form of the deck, I kind of regret not getting one last weekend as a just-in-case sort of thing.
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Aren't most of those decks capable of boarding out of the madcap plan and into something else? I seem to remember some having transformative sideboards. Could just jam some jaces into turbo turns.
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I've seen Breach decks running 2 Empirion and 4 Madcap in the sideboard. Maybe for longer games where you need to get in a few swings with Empirion and are less likely to run into removal? Or against Burn? Emrakul is rad though and I'd rather just run people over with her.
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C-Euro posted:I've seen Breach decks running 2 Empirion and 4 Madcap in the sideboard. Maybe for longer games where you need to get in a few swings with Empirion and are less likely to run into removal? Emrakul is rad though and I'd rather just run people over with her. Yeah I guess I've been playing taxes decks too long to care about breach much. Last time someone tried to cast TtB I just vialed in big Thalia and he scooped. Time before that I just flickerwisp'd it before he could attack.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Yeah I guess I've been playing taxes decks too long to care about breach much. Last time someone tried to cast TtB I just vialed in big Thalia and he scooped. Time before that I just flickerwisp'd it before he could attack. OK yeah that sounds like a good time to run Madcap instead. Fortunately there aren't any Taxes players around here... Speaking of which, and because we've kind of commandeered the thread, what's your Taxes list look like these days? I think I'm finally going to suck it up and get a playset of Vials.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Yeah I guess I've been playing taxes decks too long to care about breach much. Last time someone tried to cast TtB I just vialed in big Thalia and he scooped. Time before that I just flickerwisp'd it before he could attack. What list are you running Mr. LongDong?
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C-Euro posted:OK yeah that sounds like a good time to run Madcap instead. Fortunately there aren't any Taxes players around here... I've been hot on mono-white eldrazi taxes for the last while, while is actually what I took to 9th place at the last regionals in Atlanta. That very well might change with metagame shakeups like if Jund takes over though, and I might switch to a more GW hatebears list if that happens. Meanwhile here's what I've been doing: 4x Aether Vial 4x Path to Exile 3x Thraben Inspector 4x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 4x Leonin Arbiter 1x Phyrexian Revoker 1x Selfless Spirit 4x Flickerwisp 4x Eldrazi Displacer 2x Blade Splicer 1x Thalia, Heretic Cathar 4x Thought-Knot Seer 1x Restoration Angel 7x Plains 4x Eldrazi Temple 4x Ghost Quarter 4x Shefet Dunes 2x Horizon Canopy 1x Cavern of Souls 1x Eiganjo Castle SB: 3x Stony Silence 2x Relic of Progenitus 2x Mirran Crusader 2x Dismember 2x Kor Firewalker 1x Phyrexian Revoker 1x Settle the Wreckage 1x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar 1x Grafdigger's Cage Some of my SB choices were based on meta calls, like the firewalkers are interchangeable with Burrenton Forge-Tender. Adjust your graveyard hate accordingly as well. I might switch to GW if jund/control get too popular for a while just so I can play loxodon smiter, maindeck crusaders, voices, and sideboard Gaddock Teegs. Fingers McLongDong fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 15, 2018 |
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Have you guys managed to activate Eiganjo castle to any noticiable affect yet? I'm finding it more and more to just replace that thing with another Sheft Dunes or Plains. I run 2 Dunes and 4 Horizon Canopies normally.
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Thisuck posted:Have you guys managed to activate Eiganjo castle to any noticiable affect yet? I'm finding it more and more to just replace that thing with another Sheft Dunes or Plains. I run 2 Dunes and 4 Horizon Canopies normally. Honestly I can't remember the last time I did. Theoretically it's great against something like grim lavamancer, which pops up locally, but I haven't had a chance. Could probably replace it with another canopy or basic. I run the 4 dunes because they are basically dual lands in the eldrazi version and they've been fantastic. Last time I tried traditional mono-white I ran 4 canopy and 2 dunes like you mentioned.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I've been hot on mono-white eldrazi taxes for the last while, while is actually what I took to 9th place at the last regionals in Atlanta. That very well might change with metagame shakeups like if Jund takes over though, and I might switch to a more GW hatebears list if that happens. Meanwhile here's what I've been doing: Every now and then I'll see a GW Bears list and save it, but almost none of them have been running Vials. From your experience, is that normal?
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C-Euro posted:Every now and then I'll see a GW Bears list and save it, but almost none of them have been running Vials. From your experience, is that normal? Either way works. Usually without vials it's a bit more aggro/big creature centric iirc. With vials you are still more inclined to use arbiter and get a little tricky, or keep things down to 22 lands. Also those lists are probably running CoCo I'm guessing? GW with vials can play coco but I'm iffy on it and don't like playing a full 4. Haven't tried GW in a while.
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If memory serves they've been GW CoCo lists that also happen to run a few Hatebears mainstays like Thalia, Flickerwisp, and Blade Splicer. I've been running that GW Ramunap deck for a bit to some success and that has CoCos, but that's a lot different and I think I would try a more Hatebears-y deck with 4 Vials and no CoCos if the mood struck me.
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Thisuck posted:Where are you buying your cards? I just checked TCGplayer and Steam Vents is only like $15. I mean, I'm up for supporting LGS, but when you're saving like $5 per card, I'd just buy them online. Oh, I was just converting to CAD funny money, $15 USD. $15 USD is about $19 CAD. Any suggestions on where to get cards in Canada, now that I'm thinking about it? I suppose I should actually check the LGS in the area now that you mention it. There's a bunch in Toronto, one of them have to sell singles.
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C-Euro posted:If memory serves they've been GW CoCo lists that also happen to run a few Hatebears mainstays like Thalia, Flickerwisp, and Blade Splicer. I've been running that GW Ramunap deck for a bit to some success and that has CoCos, but that's a lot different and I think I would try a more Hatebears-y deck with 4 Vials and no CoCos if the mood struck me. If I wasn't expecting everyone that has GB cards to start playing jund, I'd probably keep playing mono-white too. That jund matchup just feels super lovely sometimes. GW poops on jund though and I know for a fact that locally a few people will be on jund after next week. Probably looking at something like this for the next few weeks: 4x Aether Vial 4x Path to Exile 2x Collected Company 4x Noble Hierarch 4x Leonin Arbiter 3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 3x Voice of Resurgence 2x Qasali Pridemage 2x Scavenging Ooze 4x Loxodon Smiter 3x Mirran Crusader 1x Aven Mindcensor 1x Eternal Witness 1x Flickerwisp 4x Ghost Quarter 4x Razorverge Thicket 4x Horizon Canopy 4x Temple Garden 2x Stirring Wildwood 2x Plains 1x Forest 1x Gavony Township SB: 3x Stony Silence 3x Rest in Peace 2x Kor Firewalker 2x Dismember 2x Gaddock Teeg 1x Selfless Spirit 1x Thrun, The Last Troll 1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant 1x Settle the Wreckage The three stony are because there are multiple people around here that have been on affinity or lantern lately, otherwise I'd go to 2 unless it seemed right to keep 3 based on larger metagame. Could actually probably make those firewalkers Kitchen Finks instead just to gently caress with jund even more but I'm not sure. This is basically my idea of a "gently caress with the new unbans" build.
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I've had Thalias for a long time and am just looking for an excuse to play them lol. Smiters too! I don't know if it's as good in a deck without fetches, but Tireless Tracker does work in the GW Ramunap deck. Might be worth a tryout if you already have some.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I've been hot on mono-white eldrazi taxes for the last while, while is actually what I took to 9th place at the last regionals in Atlanta. That very well might change with metagame shakeups like if Jund takes over though, and I might switch to a more GW hatebears list if that happens. Meanwhile here's what I've been doing: 5 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben is pretty spicy
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BBE + K-Command is a good start for a shell and all but BBE + K-Command + Snap is *chef kissing fingertips*
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// 60 Maindeck // 26 Creature 4 Knight of the Reliquary 4 Noble Hierarch 3 Birds of Paradise 3 Voice of Resurgence 2 Qasali Pridemage 2 Courser of Kruphix 2 Scavenging Ooze 4 Spell Queller 1 Selfless Spirit 1 Tireless Tracker // 1 Enchantment 1 Retreat to Coralhelm // 8 Instant 4 Path to Exile 4 Collected Company // 23 Land 4 Misty Rainforest 1 Breeding Pool 3 Forest 1 Plains 4 Windswept Heath 1 Temple Garden 1 Hallowed Fountain 1 Ghost Quarter 1 Horizon Canopy 1 Gavony Township 2 Flooded Strand 1 Botanical Sanctum 1 Sejiri Steppe 1 Island // 2 Planeswalker 2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor // 15 Sideboard // 10 Creature SB: 2 Kitchen Finks SB: 2 Izzet Staticaster SB: 1 Eidolon of Rhetoric SB: 3 Geist of Saint Traft SB: 2 Reflector Mage // 1 Enchantment SB: 1 Stony Silence // 4 Instant SB: 2 Negate SB: 2 Unified Will Since I want to talk Jace lists, I'm testing this out currently. Any thoughts?
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OK, bought an esper list on MTGO and have been doing some modern Jace testing. Test results so far, bearing in mind I'm just in free play tournament prep games on MTGO. Also bearing in mind that I have not actually played more than a dozen games of modern in my life, and have no idea what my opponents are playing and that I'm also extremely bad at magic.  So far I've played against what seem like mostly real decks, with one exception being some megrim style mill deck w/ an owl in it. Ashiok update! I have had 3 separate opponents instantly concede to turn 3 ashiok into empty board. I have had 1 opponent instantly concede the entire match to it. So far she feels way way way stronger than Lilly. I think I need to add 1 or 2 more lands and at least one more wrath.
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I like that list. I'm currently trying to figure out if u want to be BUG or Esper for my next build. Hit me up if you want to jam some games later
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For modern D&T, I've seen some lists that run Smuggler's Copter. Have anyone tried that yet and how good does it feel with those? Also the mono-white Eldrazi list looks pretty good. I'll give that a try when I get home later, and unsleeve my SFM that I put in there in hopes of an unban 
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Thisuck posted:For modern D&T, I've seen some lists that run Smuggler's Copter. Have anyone tried that yet and how good does it feel with those? Copter is... a cute addition sometimes. I playtested 2 copies for a while and actually took 1 copy to an IQ I got 2nd in last fall, but this was with traditional monowhite, not eldrazi. It's better in traditional taxes because you have more blade splicer and a 4th thraben inspector, plus it's easier to keep alive with angel. T1 vial, t2 copter, t3 splicer and vial in dudes, attack with copter does feel great, so it can definitely fit into one of the flex spots.
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Copter shines in a format with Jace because it's a really easy way to constantly threaten a swing at him and it dodges sorcery speed removal.
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Cool thanks guys, I'm playing mono-white right now and I'll throw 2 copies in there to try it out.
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