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That Works posted:It's like the last 8 words of my post didn't specifically state it was a big deal. Except the whole post was about how it wasn't. You "even felt pissed off at the disproportionate response". And it wasn't just you I was talking about.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Except it was a massacre that's still on the top 10 list of mass shootings in the US. Two dudes with guns and nothing to do but murder trapped students for 45 minutes. We were lucky it turned out as well as it did. If Klebold hadn't hosed up the propane tank bomb timers, it would've been over 600 dead.
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BigDave posted:We were lucky it turned out as well as it did. If Klebold hadn't hosed up the propane tank bomb timers, it would've been over 600 dead. Yeah, I remember that, too. Thank God they were legitimately incompetent when it comes to explosives.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Except the whole post was about how it wasn't. You "even felt pissed off at the disproportionate response". Well yeah, lots more died that year just back in my hometown than in Columbine and it's like 'this has never happened before' except it happened in chunks of 1, 2 or 3 at a time like every month and doesn't make the news and that is frustrating to be a part of. We were upwards of 300-350 murders per year in the city at that point also and it didn't get a lot of national attention.
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Feb 15, 2018 22:49
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Terrorists kill people all the time if you ask me people really got bent out of shape about 9/11!!
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Except it was a massacre that's still on the top 10 list of mass shootings in the US. Two dudes with guns and nothing to do but murder trapped students for 45 minutes. Obviously it wasn't if people forgot about it and are claiming this kind of poo poo didn't happen twenty years ago.
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kupachek posted:Obviously it wasn't if people forgot about it and are claiming this kind of poo poo didn't happen twenty years ago. I don't know if this is a serious post or not but if it is it's pretty fuckin dumb That Works posted:Well yeah, lots more died that year just back in my hometown than in Columbine and it's like 'this has never happened before' except it happened in chunks of 1, 2 or 3 at a time like every month and doesn't make the news and that is frustrating to be a part of. We were upwards of 300-350 murders per year in the city at that point also and it didn't get a lot of national attention. Hmm yes those are the same thing you're right Las Vegas should just get over it too I mean they've had more people killed and injured in the city per year than happened at that one event
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mods change my name posted:if you ask me people really got bent out of shape about 9/11!! unironically
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Feb 15, 2018 22:58
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:I don't know if this is a serious post or not but if it is it's pretty fuckin dumb I remember with extreme clarity it occurring. The problem is there was a delay between hitting post and it actually posting so the context of the comment was lost.
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Feb 15, 2018 23:01
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Everyone knows that school shootings are all about “what have you done for me lately?”
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:I don't know if this is a serious post or not but if it is it's pretty fuckin dumb Yeah more people died in school shootings consistently over one year in one city vs one day in an entire state that had nearly zero before or after. But let's act like it's the singular event that is an important cultural shift and ignore that it had been happening all the time previously. Las Vegas didn't have an equivalent non mass shooting body count for the year so that's a false composition. Edit: last comment I'll make on it. People act like Columbine was a big turning point and to me it was slightly worse poo poo different day. That Works fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Feb 15, 2018 |
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Feb 15, 2018 23:07
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That Works posted:Yeah more people died in school shootings consistently over one year in one city vs one day in an entire state that had nearly zero before or after. But let's act like it's the singular event that is an important cultural shift and ignore that it had been happening all the time previously. Hrm in five seconds of googling I found that Las Vegas in 2016 by October was at 138 homicides. Columbine was a huge shift in certain things: like the bell tower sniper in the 50's was the catalyst for the creation of SWAT teams, columbine was one of the first catalysts for active shooter training for police and other first responders. I. E. "don't lock the loving students inside with the shooters"
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This is really dumb, the entire point was that a minority group has had to deal with x thing for years at a given level of intensity but a high intensity event occurs for white people and it warps the national narrative to be specially about that big event that affected white people and those minorities who suffered the same kind of thing get the same amount of attention before or after. The existence of minority kids shooting each other at or around school does not invalidate the tragedy of white kids getting shot up by other white kids. There is no zero sum sadness going on here. The complaint, as usual, is that no one cares that minority kids get shot. Note: X can be getting shot at school or drug epidemics
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“Columbine? Meh.” Is the spicy hot take I never knew I needed in my life.
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Eej posted:This is really dumb, the entire point was that a minority group has had to deal with x thing for years at a given level of intensity but a high intensity event occurs for white people and it warps the national narrative to be specially about that big event that affected white people and those minorities who suffered the same kind of thing get the same amount of attention before or after. The existence of minority kids shooting each other at or around school does not invalidate the tragedy of white kids getting shot up by other white kids. There is no zero sum sadness going on here. The complaint, as usual, is that no one cares that minority kids get shot. Thank you for summing it up better than I could
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:“Columbine? Meh.” Is the spicy hot take I never knew I needed in my life. I don't think that's what anyone meant.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Hrm in five seconds of googling I found that Las Vegas in 2016 by October was at 138 homicides. Woah that's more than I expected for LV.
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Goodbye Manafort. You could've rolled first, you didn't, and now Gates rolled on you. https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/964277512212803584
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Eej posted:This is really dumb, the entire point was that a minority group has had to deal with x thing for years at a given level of intensity but a high intensity event occurs for white people and it warps the national narrative to be specially about that big event that affected white people and those minorities who suffered the same kind of thing get the same amount of attention before or after. The existence of minority kids shooting each other at or around school does not invalidate the tragedy of white kids getting shot up by other white kids. There is no zero sum sadness going on here. The complaint, as usual, is that no one cares that minority kids get shot. While I don't disagree with this, you also have to look at the root cause factor. Parents were used to hearing about drug related shootings in schools. This was true even for white neighborhoods (my small rural city had a heroin epidemic in the late 90s which included plenty of white drug violence). Regardless as to the truth of it, parents felt they still had some control over this by making sure their kids weren't caught up in this stuff. Having pissed off teenagers randomly kill a bunch of kids for the gently caress of it? That was a completely new and terrifying, because how do you prevent that despite your best parenting skills.
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psydude posted:While I don't disagree with this, you also have to look at the root cause factor. Parents were used to hearing about drug related shootings in schools. This was true even for white neighborhoods (my small rural city had a heroin epidemic in the late 90s which included plenty of white drug violence). Regardless as to the truth of it, parents felt they still had some control over this by making sure their kids weren't caught up in this stuff. That's a good point and is a different look at it than I normally give it.
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yeah school violence wasn't unknown it just wasnt as random, good point. I mean loving inner city schools basically had a genre of movies for awhile with Dangerous Minds and that movie with SSG Barnes in it after he got back from Vietnam
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I think we've all gotten on a similar page This is okay Also everyone go find a good dog to pet it makes your day better
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Also everyone go find a good dog to pet it makes your day better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN9cENdM27I
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And now for the finest of liberal takes hot off the finest minds of the NYT https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/964254626139828226 psydude posted:While I don't disagree with this, you also have to look at the root cause factor. Parents were used to hearing about drug related shootings in schools. This was true even for white neighborhoods (my small rural city had a heroin epidemic in the late 90s which included plenty of white drug violence). Regardless as to the truth of it, parents felt they still had some control over this by making sure their kids weren't caught up in this stuff. Good point, I don't disagree.
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mods change my name posted:yeah school violence wasn't unknown it just wasnt as random, good point. I mean loving inner city schools basically had a genre of movies for awhile with Dangerous Minds and that movie with SSG Barnes in it after he got back from Vietnam The Substitute. Basically Kindergarten Cop but in highschool. Pretty sure Tom Berenger had the same makeup scars from Platoon too.
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psydude posted:While I don't disagree with this, you also have to look at the root cause factor. Parents were used to hearing about drug related shootings in schools. This was true even for white neighborhoods (my small rural city had a heroin epidemic in the late 90s which included plenty of white drug violence). Regardless as to the truth of it, parents felt they still had some control over this by making sure their kids weren't caught up in this stuff. Yeah, this is what frightens me as a parent.
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Mister Sinewave posted:It's hard to appreciate to what extent drug dealers, gangs, and drug violence were the big bad guy in the late 80s and 90s. poo poo, even videogames and hollywood movies were all about evil drug dealers. And occasionally a Libyan terrorist.
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I am reality.
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The more time passes the less I want to bring kids into this world.
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CommieGIR posted:I'm guessing "Get out" is going to be the most picked option. It was probably the AF thread, but someone posted a link to retention data on pilots. Since the fighter pilot bonus was boosted to over $430k, the take rate has continued to drop. I think it's hovering in the 25% range. Fighter pilots. Being offered almost half a mil to stay. Walking.
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The fear of school shootings and the fear of terrorists are very linked. It’s he randomness of lightning but with a human mind guiding it. That level of definite malevolence is something that scares people, because most of us live our lives in a safe and rational developed society bubble.
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:I am reality. Tom Berenger and Ed Harris should have starred together in some 90s cop vs drug empire action movie.
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when that 18 year old kid is just lying there, dying to senseless retarded violence and Berenger is just like TAKE THE PAIN YOU FAT rear end
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Except it was a massacre that's still on the top 10 list of mass shootings in the US. Two dudes with guns and nothing to do but murder trapped students for 45 minutes. 3 of the top 5 have been in the past 2 years (Vegas, Pulse, Sutherland Springs), and the odd ones out were the VT shooting in '07 and Sandy Hook in '12. It's a big deal but it's like old sports records that were set before everyone started juicing, poo poo's in a new age now and the old stuff just doesn't measure up.
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FAUXTON posted:3 of the top 5 have been in the past 2 years (Vegas, Pulse, Sutherland Springs), and the odd ones out were the VT shooting in '07 and Sandy Hook in '12. We're already chilled out here itt
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