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Khorne
May 1, 2002

ArbitraryC posted:

So would a super lopsided prenup actually hold up? I feel like we've seen similar stories where it didn't.
No. It's extremely difficult to get a prenup to hold up. If you didn't have a separate lawyer for each party it's likely to be thrown out. And no lawyer in the world would sign off on what he presented in that story, not even his own lawyer that he didn't actually get.

If it's lopsided like "protect pre-existing assets and their growth, protect retirement savings, protect inherited assets during the marriage" then it will probably hold up if you aren't trying to actively hide things in them. If it's lopsided like what that guy described, hell no.

Khorne fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Feb 16, 2018

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Sloth Life posted:

So, do we believe that Wifey said "oh no honey, please go ahead and bed the stranger you brought home" ?

I believe that he was drunk and parsed something she said that way, I do not believe that's actually what she said and certainly not what she meant

Ham Sandwiches posted:

Like it 100% sounds they shouldn't have been married, dude was absolutely serious about wanting a poly bride and she said she was on board with it and then it turns out she wasn't and now the narrative is that he's suddenly a dick for being serious about it in the first place.

I think poly people are total loving idiots but if people express clearly they want [x] for 5 years and you pretend you're on board with it but really not, then how else is it going to end?

Again, having a threesome was not a thing he did

loving a rando on the couch because of something his wife mumbled while half asleep is the thing he did

Sloth Life
Nov 15, 2014

Built for comfort and speed!
Fallen Rib
I mean, I can understand how frustrating it is when someone expects you to be psychic and realise what they said is not what they actually think or feel. Don't loving play mind games people, be honest. On the other hand, I really don't buy the story babes telling.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Power Khan posted:

In addition to giving away the furniture like the others suggested, the dude should have shat on a plate, placed it in the middle of the livingroom and planted the charm on top.

This is all too high effort stuff folks it reveals that you really do care.

The guy should come over and just be hit with an air of such crushing indifference that it makes him question why there is some dude in the apartment chilling and relaxing and it makes the woman question her very world views in that moment in time. Let *her* stutter and try to explain to her date, don't make it easy for her to write you off as a nutcase which you will deffo come across as if you poo poo on a plate and leave it out for them to find.

You have to get in their minds.

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Sloth Life posted:

So, do we believe that Wifey said "oh no honey, please go ahead and bed the stranger you brought home" ?

I suspect he heard what he wanted to hear and ignored what he didn't want to hear.

quote:

Now, polygamy was something I've always thought about, and I'm not going to pretend that over the past 5 years I haven't fantasized about loving someone other than my wife, so when the chance presented itself to me, I'll admit I may have been a bit too enthusiastic.

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

loquacius posted:

Again, having a threesome was not a thing he did

loving a rando on the couch because of something his wife mumbled while half asleep is the thing he did

She spent 5 years of her life married to a poly dude who wanted threesomes for the marriage to come crashing down when, 5 years later, he decided to act on her suggestion to bring a lady to their place and do a threesome :confused:

Again, the dude is an idiot, but I don't quite understand why the lady went through this rigamarole when the dude was fairly clear from the getgo, like, laid it out the he was serious and that he wanted to act on it.

And sorry but being in bed with all the crap turned off after the dude returns with another person and not even being willing to talk about it, is probably, not a good way to express "i've changed my mind"

It genuinely seems like she felt bad that she couldn't be ok with doing the thing she said she would be ok with and told him to do it that night, as a sort of decision that would move things forward to the obvious conclusion.

Ham Sandwiches fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Feb 16, 2018

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Ham Sandwiches posted:

She spent 5 years of her life married to a poly dude who wanted threesomes for the marriage to come crashing down when, 5 years later, he decided to act on her suggestion to bring a lady to their place and do a threesome :confused:

I keep saying this: you can be mad at her for lying or changing her mind about the threesome or whatever, but under absolutely no circumstances should he have gone out and hosed the girl without her. That's not what they'd discussed, it's not what he'd asked for, and he deserves whatever he gets for doing it.

Like, I could keep quoting my own post here but I don't wanna do that

dudeness
Mar 5, 2010

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Fallen Rib
The part where he says he found an attractive enough girl who was a "bit sloppy" makes me think this guy is kind of a creep.

Also the part where she was still on the couch in the morning is pretty hilarious.

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

Ham Sandwiches posted:

And sorry but being in bed with all the crap turned off after the dude returns with another person and not even being willing to talk about it, is probably, not a good way to express "i've changed my mind"

It genuinely seems like she felt bad that she couldn't be ok with doing the thing she said she would be ok with and told him to do it that night, as a sort of decision that would move things forward to the obvious conclusion.

It's not a good way to do that but it's a pretty fuckin' obvious way to do it.

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

loquacius posted:

I keep saying this: you can be mad at her for lying or changing her mind about the threesome or whatever, but under absolutely no circumstances should he have gone out and hosed the girl without her. That's not what they'd discussed, it's not what he'd asked for, and he deserves whatever he gets for doing it.

Yeah I'm not really disagreeing with what you're saying, I'm just bewildered about the whole story really. In terms of the permission thing, she did explicitly tell him to do it, from her hiding spot under the sheets.

quote:

She kissed me and said she was tired, that I could go on without her and she'd just rather sleep.

Andy Dufresne
Aug 4, 2010

The only good race pace is suicide pace, and today looks like a good day to die
I mean I don't think it's an accurate retelling of the story to call him a "poly dude" when he's had a single sexual encounter with a person other than his wife in 5 years.

It's kind of interesting to me that "threesomes are a requirement for my relationship guy" couldn't move that ball forward for 5 years. I wonder if there's a lot more to his wife's side.

girl pants
Sep 21, 2006
I feel a great disturbance in my pants
On the other hand, that dude is now free to pursue all the threesomes he could ever want! Yay!

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

The wife was super passive aggressive - yet entirely obvious- at every step and he was deliberately misreading and misinterpreting her

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

Why would you marry someone that wants threesomes if you don't want to participate in threesomes :psyboom: :psyboom:

Congrats on the 5 year long con to see if he'd grow out of it, apparently not, RIP those years for both parties

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

My (25/m) girlfriend (25/f) says she wants to sleep with other girls

quote:

We've been together about 6 months, I was a virgin before her. She brings up wanting an open relationship sometimes but I always tell her I am not cool with it. She told me she is bisexual and it's hard for her and she wants to sleep with other women. I agreed to do a threesome with her. But she keeps saying she's concerned I'll get jealous of the other woman, that I wont want to do threesomes as often as her, or I will cum too fast (I was a virgin before her).

tl;dr: Gf wants open relationship. Told her I'm not cool with it but I will do a threesome. Now she says she's concerned I'll get jealous or cum too fast, or I wont want to do threesomes regularly.

The greatest trick a cheater can pull is convincing their partner that opening the relationship isn't cheating.

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties

blarzgh posted:

Look, I'm really sorry about this...

WELL ACTUALLY

They're generally called "premarital agreements" now, and their enforceability is dependent on what state the parties are in - as a rule, there is no requirement of consideration for a prenup to be enforceable, other than the mutual promise to be married.

I think about half of the states have adopted the standard code for premarital agreements where this is the case, and most - if not all - of the rest have substantially similar laws to the same effect.
Yeah. Prenups are generally enforceable if they were created per statute.

Laws vary by state, but requirements may include both parties needing to be represented by separate counsel, various waiting periods, and etc. Also, child support generally cannot be negotiated in a prenup. Alimony certainly can though, and barring exceptional circumstances, as long as all the statutory requirements are met courts will enforce prenups.

sincx fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Feb 16, 2018

girl pants
Sep 21, 2006
I feel a great disturbance in my pants

Ham Sandwiches posted:

Why would you marry someone that wants threesomes if you don't want to participate in threesomes :psyboom: :psyboom:

Congrats on the 5 year long con to see if he'd grow out of it, apparently not, RIP those years for both parties

It sounds more like she wanted to try but then realized she couldn't go through with it to me. Realizing you're incompatible and ending the relationship is the best possible outcome.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Inescapable Duck posted:

Plan 9: Go to the moon and get drunk.

Uh, no. Plan 9 is to reanimate the corpses of Earthlings for reasons.

I Was The Fury
Oct 19, 2012

Always stop to smell the flowers, just in case they're weeds

Doggles posted:

My (25/m) girlfriend (25/f) says she wants to sleep with other girls


The greatest trick a cheater can pull is convincing their partner that opening the relationship isn't cheating.

"Well we COULD have threesomes, but I'm afraid your pathetic weiner would cum too quickly and you'd get jealous of how I'm ignoring you completely so you should probably just give up on that and let me gently caress ladies whenever I want without you"

Caganer
Feb 15, 2018

blarzgh posted:

Look, I'm really sorry about this...

WELL ACTUALLY

They're generally called "premarital agreements" now, and their enforceability is dependent on what state the parties are in - as a rule, there is no requirement of consideration for a prenup to be enforceable, other than the mutual promise to be married.

I think about half of the states have adopted the standard code for premarital agreements where this is the case, and most - if not all - of the rest have substantially similar laws to the same effect.

ya know you're sorry but i'm a big fan of the "listen to actions not words" school of thought ;)

yes, many states have legislation specifically on premarital agreements and specify what is / isn't allowable and some may allow different degrees of "lopsidedness".

but all contracts require consideration, this is a basic concept that applies to all contracts (a subset of which include pre-marital agreements)

barring specific legislation allowing for one sided (no consideration) pre marital agreements, what i said in my original post stands.

i'm extremely confident no court would hold a contract written in a person's non native language, demanded to be signed immediately, without access to independent counsel to evaluate would be upheld

tldr: premarital agreements are contracts and you are not actually sorry

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

girl pants posted:

It sounds more like she wanted to try but then realized she couldn't go through with it to me. Realizing you're incompatible and ending the relationship is the best possible outcome.

yeah. even if wife was being unclear in her communication husband pretty clearly set out to get his dick wet that night one way or another and showed a shocking lack of regard for his wife's feelings or even basic loyalty to her, if he couldn't bother clarifying whether or not she was ok with him nailing a drunk bar hookup on the couch

i mean, me personally, if my wife texts me and asks me to pick up chicken breasts for dinner i text her back and clarify the amount she wants. communication is important, especially if you're about to have extramarital sex

Caganer
Feb 15, 2018

Galaxy Brain posted:

What does "consideration" mean here?

consideration means you get something out of the deal.

for example, if leonard j crabs signs a contract he will provide you 1 hour of legal love in a court of your choice, both parties get a benefit. leonard gets money for pickled eggs and you get legal help.

Caganer
Feb 15, 2018

sincx posted:

Yeah. Prenups are generally enforceable if they were created per statute.

Laws vary by state, but requirements may include both parties needing to be represented by separate counsel, various waiting periods, and etc. Also, child support generally cannot be negotiated in a prenup. Alimony certainly can though, and barring exceptional circumstances, as long as all the statutory requirements are met courts will enforce prenups.

yes, and admittedly i'm muddling consideration in the "getting something" sense and consideration in the "ability to have a legal professional not owned by your redpilled manchild husband review the documents"

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

Doggles posted:

My (25/m) girlfriend (25/f) says she wants to sleep with other girls


The greatest trick a cheater can pull is convincing their partner that opening the relationship isn't cheating.

lmao what a loving loser.

BadSamaritan
May 2, 2008

crumb by crumb in this big black forest


Also it kind of sounds like he was out super late- much more so than expected, by his own accord- and didn’t keep her updated. Like, even if you’re down for it, eventually you want to go to bed.

And yeah, dragging some sloppy drunk chick home at 4 in the morning after ghosting your wife isn’t a great look. It didn’t sound like he really did anything to get his wife involved, and was like “welp, your loss!!”.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Alternate theory: She actually was willing to try a threesome but he was out past god knows what hour and she fell asleep, and when awoken just didn't even know what the hell was going on and mumbled something and happy Valentines so she could go back to sleep. Then woke up to find some very "sloppy" woman on her couch with some brand new cum stains. Or woke up to hear loving she had no idea about. Got the gently caress out of there.

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

BadSamaritan posted:

Also it kind of sounds like he was out super late- much more so than expected, by his own accord- and didn’t keep her updated. Like, even if you’re down for it, eventually you want to go to bed.

And yeah, dragging some sloppy drunk chick home at 4 in the morning after ghosting your wife isn’t a great look. It didn’t sound like he really did anything to get his wife involved, and was like “welp, your loss!!”.

Can you imagine how terrible the threesome would have been if they actually went through with it?

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

Torn over whether I (M/45) should reveal that I've done porn to GF (F/45).

quote:

I (M/45) am torn over whether I should reveal to my partner (F/45) of four years that I've done porn. We are without doubt into the "real" relationship, and although it's still relatively early, there is a growing awareness that this could be the best relationship of our lives. It's wonderful in all respects: it's supportive, it's exciting, the sex is phenomenal, and we really like each other. We have become trusted friends. We often speak about a distant future together, and she has said to me "This is it for me, I don't think I could ever be with anyone else."

She is a very attractive woman with her own resources and uncommonly good looks. It's not at all unusual for a man 20 years younger than her to hit on her (which doesn't bother me). She does not depend on me for resources, and it would not be that difficult for her to find another man who is interested in her. On some level, though, I'm confident that I could never be replaced. I believe this woman actually loves me. I mention this to underscore my belief that pretty much all relationships are day-to-day; we are not married, do not have children together, and though we more or less live together, we also maintain separate residences. I am not in a "Don't worry, your wife will forgive you" situation.

I did straight porn for about two years when I was young and in school, in the waning days of the VHS era, right before DVDs became the medium. I'm reasonably confident that nothing I did (and I was very busy for those two years) has passed through the gate of the Internet. There is a woman with whom I performed who retired from porn just as things went to DVD, and some of her material has been translated to digital (you can find some of her scenes on major porn sites). Over the years, I've looked for myself and I do not believe that any of my scenes are on the Internet. I think it would require me running for public office for someone to dig up any VHS that I'm on.

My GF has revealed to me a few significant and -- depending on your viewpoint -- possibly shameful things in her past. I don't believe that these things are shameful at all, but I think she felt compelled to tell me them because they are so culturally charged, and maybe she believed that omitting them would be to omit some material fact of her life and who she is. So, she has revealed to me what she regards as secrets. One of the two things she told me, she did not reveal even to the man who was her husband of many years.

No one in my life has any idea that I did porn. I was married for years, and my ex wife (still a friend) hasn't a clue. I never told a friend. To my knowledge, the only people who know that I did this are my fellow performers and the handful of production people involved, and I doubt they'd even remember me or could recall my name. Arrangements with male performers tend (or at least tended) to be a bit less formal.

I have felt for some time that me not telling her this is omitting a material fact of my life. I have also felt that, even though she is the most sexually confident woman I've ever known, she might be repelled by it because hearing it might feel to her like a major revision of who I am ("I feel like I don't know you at all," that sort of thing). At other times, I think that she might not like the initial revelation, but after a week think to herself "That's actually sexy." Most days I feel like it is entirely irrelevant, at its worst comparable to getting a speeding ticket, if even that, and not something I need to tell anyone.

So in my view revealing this is a gamble. But it might also be a very good idea...it might be the right thing to do. It could usher in a feeling of even greater closeness. It could be the hottest, most exciting thing anyone has revealed to her (she does have a minor fascination with the industry, though she doesn't really consume porn). It could also be entirely unnecessary.

TL;DR: Torn over whether I should reveal porn past to SO of four years. Minus, plus, dealbreaker, irrelevant?

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Vargatron posted:

He has it strung upside down.

That’s just how mandolinists string their planq when hitting the mean streets to engage in mandolin battles for street cred. Coohoolin can back me up on this.

girl pants
Sep 21, 2006
I feel a great disturbance in my pants

boner confessor posted:

yeah. even if wife was being unclear in her communication husband pretty clearly set out to get his dick wet that night one way or another and showed a shocking lack of regard for his wife's feelings or even basic loyalty to her, if he couldn't bother clarifying whether or not she was ok with him nailing a drunk bar hookup on the couch

Well you see relationships are legal documents so if the wife agrees to do something she's legally obligated to not change her mind or get all mad about it I mean she already said yes GOSH

dudeness
Mar 5, 2010

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Fallen Rib
It was a poorly planned threesome from the get go, why did he have to go hunting through bars when they could've used a dating app and looked together?

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

BadSamaritan posted:

Also it kind of sounds like he was out super late- much more so than expected, by his own accord- and didn’t keep her updated. Like, even if you’re down for it, eventually you want to go to bed.

And yeah, dragging some sloppy drunk chick home at 4 in the morning after ghosting your wife isn’t a great look. It didn’t sound like he really did anything to get his wife involved, and was like “welp, your loss!!”.

He asked her to come with him to pick the girl and she said no, you do it, I'll be waiting for you when you get home, and they don't text in general but this time he did text her that he was on the way, and got no response, and the hint that he was supposed to understand is that she took the time to put stuff away (candles etc) instead of just going to bed, which meant she wasn't actually still on board with it, but she didn't want to deal with any of the weirdness that comes with changing your mind halfway through something like that and what do you know there's another person here now so you get what we had here

a fuckin

big trivia FAIL
May 9, 2003

"Jorge wants to be hardcore,
but his mom won't let him"

dudeness posted:

It was a poorly planned threesome from the get go, why did he have to go hunting through bars when they could've used a dating app and looked together?

he didnt actually want a 3some he wanted to bang another broad

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

dudeness posted:

It was a poorly planned threesome from the get go, why did he have to go hunting through bars when they could've used a dating app and looked together?

because he's a stubborn idiot who really wants to rules lawyer his way into loving another woman without technically cheating on his wife, and his execution was so hasty that he ended up cheating so obviously he left the other woman passed out in the living room for his wife to discover when she woke up

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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girl pants posted:

It sounds more like she wanted to try but then realized she couldn't go through with it to me. Realizing you're incompatible and ending the relationship is the best possible outcome.

Also if they had a good sex life and he didn't bring it up for 5 years, she probably thought the threesomes were more of a bucket list item than an absolute requirement. Since, you know, they were happy for 5 years without one.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

big trivia FAIL posted:

he didnt actually want a 3some he wanted to bang another broad

She probably would have just fallen asleep too early or gotten jealous of the other girl, so clearly he should have been allowed to just gently caress other women on his own

that's right, this is what they call a "crossover post"

it is very witty

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Ham Sandwiches posted:

He asked her to come with him to pick the girl and she said no, you do it, I'll be waiting for you when you get home, and they don't text in general but this time he did text her that he was on the way, and got no response, and the hint that he was supposed to understand is that she took the time to put stuff away (candles etc) instead of just going to bed, which meant she wasn't actually still on board with it, but she didn't want to deal with any of the weirdness that comes with changing your mind halfway through something like that and what do you know there's another person here now so you get what we had here

a fuckin

yeah it's definitely the person who didn't gently caress a stranger who is to blame here

Caganer
Feb 15, 2018

girl pants posted:

Well you see relationships are legal documents so if the wife agrees to do something she's legally obligated to not change her mind or get all mad about it I mean she already said yes GOSH

this isn't england relationships are at will - they can be terminated without cause or for no reason at all ("it's not you it's me")

Rat Patrol
Feb 15, 2008

kill kill kill kill
kill me now
How could me ruining my life have happened to me??

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Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

boner confessor posted:

yeah it's definitely the person who didn't gently caress a stranger who is to blame here

In this case, yes, I think they are, 100%, for marrying a person that was clear they wanted to gently caress a stranger, and then bringing it up of your own volition and telling that person "hey that thing you wanted, it's been 5 years now, so that's cool with me, let's do it" and then suddenly turning into a corncob and saying nothing past that point, is actually pretty crappy to both people involved, sincerely

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