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JnnyThndrs posted:A Sprinter is quite usable as an RV though, the tall roof means you can stand up and there’s a lot of room inside. A Transit Connect is a useful little vehicle, but it’s low height and overall small size means it’s not something you can really live in. Yeah, even the work-spec Sprinters are still decent vehicles, aside from the known achilles issues with the drivetrain. The Transit on the other hand has all the build quality and soundproofing of an empty Beck's beer can, plus a horribly buzzy motor and a transmission made out of an old, poo poo-filled doghouse. Just look at the stupid promo pictures of their "SUV substitute". You can see all the steel on the back door. No one is going to trade in their Suburban or Land Cruiser on that pile. I'm not anti-Transit, I really like it for what it is. It's fine to work out of and haul poo poo, but it's not a nice vehicle to be in by a long shot. GlyphGryph posted:
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curried lamb of God posted:Sounds good, thanks! The Octavia 2.0 is about €1,000 more expensive than the Leon 2.0 (and conversely, €1,000 less than the Golf Variant 2.0), so I guess it depends on whether they think the extra room is worth it. Update: they ended up ordering a (fully loaded) Renault Scenic  Once they ended up actually looking at cars, my mom decided that she didn't like station wagons and instead wanted a small MPV. They tested the VW Sportsvan, Citroen Picasso and the Scenic, and liked the latter the most.
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GlyphGryph posted:I edited the post. Okay then at your price point and requirements, the last thing you want is a minivan. Cheap minivans, with almost no exceptions, have been absolutely HAMMERED their entire lives. If you want more cargo space than a sedan and more room for a car seat than either a sedan or a hatch, a crossover is a good choice. If you find a reasonably well maintained example, I'd expect a $4-6k Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV4 to be relatively inexpensive to run.
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GlyphGryph posted:I edited the post. Thank you. That last jumble was confusing and your avatar made me suspect you were in the UK. IOwnCalculus posted:Okay then at your price point and requirements, the last thing you want is a minivan. Cheap minivans, with almost no exceptions, have been absolutely HAMMERED their entire lives. Yeah, a 3K minivan is going to be a Dodge with a transmission that's on fire, so don't do that. I think OP's first step would be to drive some mid-sized Japanese sedans (Camry, Accord, ect.) and some small crossovers like a CR-V or a Forester. See whether they prefer the truck-ish driving position and height, or the lower-slung car style. Then the usual advice of maintenance history being more important for a car of that age. Unload My Head fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Feb 11, 2018 |
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curried lamb of God posted:Update: they ended up ordering a (fully loaded) Renault Scenic loving lmao I hate the Scenic so much
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Maybe this thread can help me. I recently got a job selling cars. Er... I say my job is selling cars, but since I have no prior sales experience and the only training I’ve gotten so far is “How to Greet People”, my list of responsibilities right now is basically “show up on time, greet people as they come in, gently caress around on SA and Wikipedia for 10 hours a day 6 days a week” because I haven’t been taught enough to actually sell anything... but that’s beside the point. Anyway—and keep in mind I have no frame of reference to know this for sure, but—I’m here because my dealership seems to be having an uncharacteristically slow month, and I’m wondering why that is. Is there something going on that’s making people not want to buy cars right now?
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Not that I can think of. We are getting sorta close to the point where the model year is going to switch though. 2019 MY cars can start hitting lots in June/July, but increased incentives on 2018 models should keep traffic up. Local economy has a lot to do with it. Anything change locally? When oil dropped the local fracking crews stopped buying 70,000 dollar Super Duty's as fast as they could make them, and inventory went up. There's a bunch of other factors that could be in play as well.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Maybe this thread can help me. So are you on commission or salary? Cause uh....
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devicenull posted:Proposed Budget: 25-30k max How terrible of a choice is a Focus ST? Drove one today, seemed pretty fun.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Is there something going on that’s making people not want to buy cars right now?
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devicenull posted:How terrible of a choice is a Focus ST? Drove one today, seemed pretty fun. They're pretty great. Get one, enjoy.
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Anybody know some good resources for reviews and specs on specific cars? Any particular YouTube channels or other websites I should check out? I’ve read the manufacturer sites, but I’m having a hard time remembering a lot of the stuff I saw on them, and I’m trying to learn enough about these cars to be able to sell them. Unfortunately I can’t say what cars I’m selling cuz I don’t want people to find out where I work, so I guess just give me a bunch of stuff.
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each brand has somewhere between 300 and 2000 franchise dealers in the USA so i think your lovely employer is probably safe. just say what brand(s) you are slangindevicenull posted:How terrible of a choice is a Focus ST? Drove one today, seemed pretty fun. I have a 2013 ST3. It's a fun car, and a good value since you can get one for pennies these days. If the GTI with the performance pack had been out at the time, I would have gotten the GTI instead because I preferred the interior and packaging and the LSD.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:each brand has somewhere between 300 and 2000 franchise dealers in the USA so i think your lovely employer is probably safe. just say what brand(s) you are slangin The problem is people on SA know where I live, and if I say what brands I’m selling then it’ll be pretty easy for some rear end in a top hat to narrow down what dealership I work for. I’ve had a Wiki slam page made about me and my forums activity, and even though that page is gone now (I think (I hope)), there are still people around here who find that funny, so I can’t take any chances anymore. Also my boss’s boss is a scary man who will probably fire and/or sue me if he finds out I’m a goon (possibly) divulging intimate dealership poo poo on SA.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:turnover in the industry is rampant and if you think anyone gives a gently caress about you or what you do at that store you are sorely mistaken maybe not his employer, but you don't know goons.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Anybody know some good resources for reviews and specs on specific cars? Any particular YouTube channels or other websites I should check out? I’ve read the manufacturer sites, but I’m having a hard time remembering a lot of the stuff I saw on them, and I’m trying to learn enough about these cars to be able to sell them. Don't you have detailed brochures at work? I know Ford prints out pretty multipage books about each model and goes over the differences of the various trims. I'm most familiar with Ford vehicles, so I'll use them as an example. Learning specifics isn't what I would focus on. You can always look up specific details. You do need to know broad options. Things I would focus on Vehicle Trim levels and the options that come with them. Many/Most manufacturers have a common set of trim levels across many of their vehicles. Going back to the Ford example, a common set of trim levels for their cars would be base, SE, SEL, Limited and/or Titanium. Knowing that you generally don't get leather seats on an SE, but you do on the SEL is helpful. Knowing the 2.0L Ecoboost engine is tuned for an extra 10HP and 20TQ in the Titanium is generally going to be less helpful. If you're selling trucks, know your trim levels and cab and box options. There's a lot to cars, if you're not a car guy focus on the stuff a non car person cares about. My wife cares less about our cars performance, and horespower, and more about the inflatable seatbelts, powerfold 3rd row, Apple CarPlay and the collision warning system. She cares not if it has 335 HP or 365HP. The problem with a lot of car reviews, is they're reviewed from an enthusiast standpoint. Enthusiast are a small part of the market. Pretend you're selling a car to you mom, focus on what your mom cares about. Also get in the cars, try to drive them if possible. Become familiar with your product.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Anybody know some good resources for reviews and specs on specific cars? Any particular YouTube channels or other websites I should check out? I’ve read the manufacturer sites, but I’m having a hard time remembering a lot of the stuff I saw on them, and I’m trying to learn enough about these cars to be able to sell them. Alex Dykes’s YouTube channel does detailed walkthroughs of cars, and most videos even have comparisons to similar models. Consumer Reports’s actual reviews are the most useful written resource, but CR is paywalled and have conservative tendencies w.r.t safety features, infotainment systems. Edmunds is similar to CR but more neutral and with less detail. Car and Driver’s reviews are also useful, with a strong driving enthusiast bias.
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Please help me pick a car! Proposed Budget: $25000ish New or Used: either or. It's got to be new enough to finance so probably 2013+ Body Style: at least 4 seats, not a sedan. How will you be using the car?: commuting about 20 miles a day. What aspects are most important to you? Fun to drive and comfortable. Decently reliable. Rear wheel drive and a manual transmission are a must. I've got two kids, a 12 year old girl and a 2 year old girl. The vast majority of time spent driving the car will be alone, but occasionally I'll have the rest of the family with me with the kids in the back. More kids are not in the current plans. I've had an RX-8 in the past and really liked it, but reliability and the fact that they haven't been produced since 2012 is a bummer. I have also owned an FRS in the past and wouldn't be opposed to another one if the newer models are more comfortable (I'm 38) Other cars I've owned: 3rd Generation Eclipse, VW Passat, NC Miata, Ford Fiesta ST, and my current VW Jetta GLI which will be going to my wife when I get whatever I get. Other cars available with my wants seem to be the Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, and Genesis Coupe, but I don't know much about many of these (I did test drive an Ecoboost mustang with a manual and liked it) and I might be overlooking some cars in this segment. Anyone have any insight in these or other similar cars? GutBomb fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Feb 17, 2018 |
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Thermopyle posted:I probably won't do anything with the information I glean from this thread with regards to the question I'm about to ask, but it's nice to dream... All of the cool options are either going to be terribly unreliable or terribly unreliable and out of your price bracket. An early NSX would fit the bill, but last time I checked they were hovering around $35-50k or so for an example that didn't have 150k miles on it. 911 prices are dumb for anything that isn't a 996 or 997 (930s have gone from 10k to well over 30k in the last few years, 964s have been creeping up, 993s from lol to "you.... can't be serious, right?"). Like honestly for a project, your best best would be an FD RX-7 and swapping in an LS3 when the 13B gives up the ghost.
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GutBomb posted:Please help me pick a car! If you're considering a Mustang, the Ecoboost is secretly the most terrible out of the group. The V6 isn't bad, but it's a Mustang get the 5.0. BMW 3 or 5 series wagon? Or any of the coupes, I guess.
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Hi thread, my wife and I wanna get another car. I'm not an informed car buyer, please help me make a good choice! We're in a 2010 Mercury Mariner now, and it's kind of a drag because it's FWD only, and we're in Colorado. It's not cutting it in winter, so we wanna trade it in. Proposed Budget: $25k New or Used: used Body Style: 4 door SUV. Examples: Highlander, Land Cruiser, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Nissan Xterra How will you be using the car?: City commuting, driving to the mountains Do you prefer a luxury vehicle with all the gizmos: nope What aspects are most important to you? * Longevity and reliability * AWD or 4WD * Same length as Mariner (176 in) or smaller (we have a small garage) * Bench seating in the back, room for camping paraphernalia * Doesn't look girly (her words) We might do a road trip to to see family in Illinois later this year, so we aren't necessarily constrained to buying in Colorado. She wants an SUV, I would be fine with some kind of hatchback as long as it has AWD and ample space.
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GutBomb posted:Please help me pick a car! Your kids are going to get bigger and none of the back seats of the cars you are considering are very spacious. You should probably test them out with the larger kid.
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Helianthus Annuus posted:Hi thread, my wife and I wanna get another car. I'm not an informed car buyer, please help me make a good choice! Do you have winter tires for your Mariner? They would cost about $1000 including a second set of wheels, and would fix the winter driving problem.
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Helianthus Annuus posted:Hi thread, my wife and I wanna get another car. I'm not an informed car buyer, please help me make a good choice! Something like a Subaru Forester or Outback would do the trick for you.
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Well I had an interesting experience with a customer today. First guy I’ve ever gotten to the finance phase with, even though I was watching another salesman actually do everything. Older dude, talked a lot and had some interesting stories but seemed a little... off. He told some jokes and one of them had the n-word* in it. Another one had the word “colored”. Then he told me one that started with “You know how a queer jacks off?” and he started yanking on the flap of skin under his chin, which...... I actually need some help with that one. Can someone explain that to me? * Obligatory “HEY REMEMBER THAT TIME YOU POSTED THE N-WORD IN A SUPER BOWL THREAD 10 YEARS AGO BOY THAT SURE IS STILL FUNNY TODAY” because some rear end in a top hat is gonna bring that up, they always do I can’t escape it 
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:he started yanking on the flap of skin under his chin, which...... I actually need some help with that one. Can someone explain that to me? quote:* Obligatory “HEY REMEMBER ... I'm thinking it may be time for "A/T: Stories from the Racist Grandpa Autogroup-- Will the Prius make me  "
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It looks like I may be moving to a more mountainous area (Switzerland) pretty soon and if it comes off I am going to need to buy a car there fairly rapidly. I've been living in London so haven't needed a car in 15 years but this is going to be a different situation. Proposed Budget: CHF25k (about the same as in USD) New or Used: used Body Style: coupe probably How will you be using the car?: Commuting, driving to the mountains Do you prefer a luxury vehicle with all the gizmos: I'd just like it to have a decent sound system and probably parking sensors What aspects are most important to you? I'd like it to be reasonably fun to drive though I go a lot more sedately than I used to. It's going to need to be a hard top because of getting loving cold in winter. Critically it needs to be able to get a bicycle in it, wheels off is fine but a key function will be getting my girlfriend to track races. No kids, really just the 2 of us and I would like a coupe or sports car style because why not. I think I basically want a previous generation Audi TT and probably a 4WD version. Cars and everything else are more expensive in Switzerland and it looks like a pain to import from the EU, but 25k looks to get a 5-6 year old quattro TT with 60000km on the clock. Further up the thread people were saying 4WD is a bit pointless but it seems like a reasonable idea in proper mountains and snow, is that correct? Are there other cars that would fit the bill that I should think about?
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You can fit a bike in a TT with the wheel off but not much else is going in there. If you get a convertible forget it. The Quattro on a TT is not a proper 4WD setup, it’s AWD and anything you encounter that would require 4WD would be impossible in a TT because of the low ground clearance. Short version, if it’s all paved roads in good condition, it’ll be a tight squeeze for the bike but otherwise doable. I’d just get a roof rack.
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Proposed Budget: ~$45,000 USD Financial info: My wife and I make around $200k a year combined and put a lot into savings and retirement plans. I have been student loan free for the last year and we're making a $30k payment this week to finish off my wife's loans completely. Our only debt is ~$200k on a mortgage. House value is ~230-250 so we're fine on that. New or Used: Prefer New Body Style: Sedan. Prefer full size as I am looking for the ability to fit 2 car seats and still fit in the driver seat (I'm 6'1", 6'2" on my tinder profile) How will you be using the car?: • I normally work from home, so the rare commute to the office(20 miles in traffic) • Picking up children from daycare(2 minute drive) • Longer roadtrips(100 miles ~6xYear, 350miles 2xYear) • Normal around town, I live in the suburbs of Minneapolis/St. Paul Minnesota What aspects are most important to you?: • Does not want to make me gouge my eyes out(Previous Fun Vehicles are AW11 MR2(Still own) and Mazdaspeed 3(Trading in)) - I also have ridden motorcycles for 15 years, currently own an FZ-09 • Automatic - I don't drive if I've had a drink and neither my wife nor my 6 month old daughter have an interest in driving a manual so we normally take the wife's car. • Heated/Nice seats - Minnesota • Can fit a family (Currently 3, will be 4 in the next 3ish years) We will not have more than 2 children. I'm looking currently at nicely optioned 2017/8 Charger Scat Packs. I've always driven more nimble cars, but I don't assume 2 adults and 2 car seats are going to fit into anything nimble. The wife will get an SUV, so I want to avoid it on my end. Is there anything glaring that I am missing? Should I look at a Giulia/3-Series/A4 or are they too small? I test drove a Fusion Sport but was unimpressed with how it drove(Mainly the transmission). What's in my blindspot because I'm either really missing something obvious, or I'm overestimating how long fiv hunnert horsepower will keep me entertained. I might also be underestimating interior feel in the long term, but I've never owned a nice car(I did own a 1984 Lincoln Towncar so not entirely true if i didn't own it in 2001) Edit: I also need to say, I am PERSONALLY OFFENDED by the Chevrolet Impala steering wheel. TheFonz fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Feb 19, 2018 |
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Get a Chevy SS with a manual (or an auto, i guess, but I bet the manual will have amazing resale). This will probably require going used, but if you find a new one you will either get an amazing deal or pay $texas. Dunno which. I'm not sold on Chrysler build quality, though the Charger may be better than most. I dunno how the 8-speeds are on the Chryslers for durability. Don't buy an alfa. At 6'4" I don't fit in an audi A3 without a child seat. Golfs are surpringly roomy though, and the Golf R is pretty interesting now that you get a 6 year warranty B2B on them (2018 and newer only). And despite it being a VW, probably more reliable than an STI (pistons) or Focus RS (headgaskets, which some people say are fixed, but I'm not sold) too. The golf is bigger inside too. I'd totally try it out with a baby seat. Also, you don't need AWD for winter, but it is fun as gently caress.
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knox_harrington posted:It looks like I may be moving to a more mountainous area (Switzerland) pretty soon and if it comes off I am going to need to buy a car there fairly rapidly. I've been living in London so haven't needed a car in 15 years but this is going to be a different situation. Your coupe requirement and fitting a bike requirement are diametrically opposed so you need to consider which one matters more to you. Since you say "probably" after coupe I will assume that matters less to you in which case you should consider, in no particular order: Golf R (or any of the other brand variants) Audi A3 BMW X1/X3 various Volvo XCs Subaru WRX It really depends on where you are living in Switzerland, as well. If you're just poking around Zurich or Bern or Geneva or the northern flatter bits or sticking primarily to motorways you don't need AWD for the daily commute. If you're traveling passes or on to A-roads with a lot of elevation changes, it's a good idea.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Your coupe requirement and fitting a bike requirement are diametrically opposed so you need to consider which one matters more to you.
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CannonFodder posted:Maybe a trunk mounted bike rack could work. Toodle around town in a zippy coupe without the rack and strap it on when needed. Trunk mount racks are a hassle, and although hitch mounts are better, your girlfriend will hate you forever if her track bike gets slathered in road dirt, and when wet, gets the bearings contaminated too. You need to fit it inside, plus other gear. If you're both short I can see a hatchback working, maybe? Did they really sell the Volco V70 R (P2) into 2010 in Europe?! https://m.autolina.ch/en/auto/volvo-v70/1610436
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Blitter posted:Trunk mount racks are a hassle, and although hitch mounts are better, your girlfriend will hate you forever if her track bike gets slathered in road dirt, and when wet, gets the bearings contaminated too.
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