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https://twitter.com/rt_com/status/964621454158557184
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Feb 17, 2018 02:26
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gently caress Turkey. gently caress Erdogan.
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Feb 17, 2018 02:26
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Lmao at anyone who actually believes Turkey is literally using chemical weapons on Kurds. Yes, let's trust RT on this one guys.
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Feb 17, 2018 02:27
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OctaMurk posted:Lmao at anyone who actually believes Turkey is literally using chemical weapons on Kurds. Yes, let's trust RT on this one guys. My post is independent of that post.
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Feb 17, 2018 02:28
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I don't give much credit to RT, but if some other, less blatantly propagandish outlet confirms, I won't have much trouble believing Erdogan would stoop that low.
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Feb 17, 2018 02:32
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Honestly if Assad was dumb enough to use it (or let it be used) then Erdogan is def dumb enough too.
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Feb 17, 2018 02:54
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Cat Mattress posted:I don't give much credit to RT, but if some other, less blatantly propagandish outlet confirms, I won't have much trouble believing Erdogan would stoop that low. https://twitter.com/HosengHesen/status/964604241762553856 quote:Artêşa #Tirk gundê Erende yê navçeya şiyê bi gazên kîmyewî bombebaran dike, 6 birîndar gihan nexweşxaneya Avrîn 
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Feb 17, 2018 03:06
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Cat Mattress posted:I don't give much credit to RT, but if some other, less blatantly propagandish outlet confirms, I won't have much trouble believing Erdogan would stoop that low. Yeah looking at the actual report they got it from it’s not that credible. I don’t know. Wouldn’t suprise me if they used tear gas.
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Feb 17, 2018 03:12
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Can't wait for the truther crew to tell us that the kurds gassed themselves.
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Feb 17, 2018 05:15
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I'm anti-Turkish invasion, but this was probably just a false alarm, like the one last week when the TFSA accused the YPG of gassing them, though obviously if they do come up with some evidence to the contrary I'll be interested to see it. Chemical weapons have absolutely been used during the civil war, most notably by the regime (I'm not a truther), but also by rebels, including against the Kurds in Aleppo. That said, the knowledge that chemical attacks have occurred in the country provides incentives for other actors to make exaggerated or mistaken claims when the reality may just be that something unpleasant was bombed, or that air quality after bombing in general may not be wonderful.
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Feb 17, 2018 05:58
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Yeah we get fake stories out of Syria all the time and we should know by now that rt has no scruples. Let's wait and see.
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Feb 17, 2018 07:05
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Most US News sources are being gaggled by Trump Russian election FBI stuff; we wont see a real news outlet put something on the front page until monday at the earliest. Its presidents day. Maximum exposure isnt guranteed until after the 3 day for 25% of america
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Feb 17, 2018 07:28
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LeoMarr posted:Most US News sources are being gaggled by Trump Russian election FBI stuff; we wont see a real news outlet put something on the front page until monday at the earliest. Its presidents day. Maximum exposure isnt guranteed until after the 3 day for 25% of america If it's real, someone somewhere (Reuters, graudinad, idk) will pick it up. I've just seen a lot of "stories' vanish mysteriously over the years.
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Feb 17, 2018 07:54
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Sometimes reports of poison gas originate from people getting sick when they breathe in smoke from fires ignited by a bomb, that's what the YPG gas attack alleged earlier supposedly was, too.
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Feb 17, 2018 08:44
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https://twitter.com/MHJournalist/status/964604751047462912?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1 Maybe CS or some sort of fumes. Looks like they will survive.
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Feb 17, 2018 08:50
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Video from the hospital which pro-Turkish types are using to claim it's a fake attack https://twitter.com/Malikejder47/status/964645637580115968 Turkey demands evidence https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/964800610792067074 The symptoms seem pretty mild, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was a crowd control agent.
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Feb 17, 2018 10:59
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Saladin Rising posted:Huh, the UK's actually going to go ahead with charging two people who went and joined the YPG: So does this mean the UK government is admitting to being a state sponsor of terror, what with the sending planes to help the YPG fight ISIS and all?
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Feb 17, 2018 16:31
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https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/964860142876545025
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Feb 17, 2018 16:46
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Extreme cosplay is kinda cool
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Feb 18, 2018 14:45
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https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/965206072779780097?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1
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Feb 18, 2018 21:24
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The proposed conditions (particularly mandatory regime conscription in the region) seem harsh enough that Turkey could reasonably declare victory, even if they won't get to resettle tons of refugees in Afrin as they'd hoped, since they'd do a lot to nullify the YPG as a military force in the area. Presumably Turkey would also hold the SAA responsible for ensuring there are minimal cross border incidents. I wonder if acceptable terms for the YPG's surrender have already been discussed through Russia.
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Feb 18, 2018 22:14
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Ahrar and Zenki have merged. Now called Jabhat Tahrir Souriya. https://twitter.com/badly_xeroxed/status/965292985268174851
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Feb 19, 2018 02:35
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Eh that's the point, but they're still protected simply by virtue of being Russian nationals. Make no mistake whatsoever: this is the most Russian nationals directly killed by the US in decades and decades. That's a big deal. It's absolutely been an international norm to not kill PMCs. As someone above points out, yeah the US would throw a shitfit if some American PMCs got killed (you kind of have to to keep people from targeting your citizens). Behind closed doors, everyone is sick of dealing with all the PMC bullshit on every side. Speaking cynically af for a moment, PMCs dying more often is about the only thing that's going to slow the growth of the bullshit, shady af contractor economy.
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Feb 19, 2018 03:54
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Sinteres posted:The proposed conditions (particularly mandatory regime conscription in the region) seem harsh enough that Turkey could reasonably declare victory, even if they won't get to resettle tons of refugees in Afrin as they'd hoped, since they'd do a lot to nullify the YPG as a military force in the area. Presumably Turkey would also hold the SAA responsible for ensuring there are minimal cross border incidents. I wonder if acceptable terms for the YPG's surrender have already been discussed through Russia. And as humiliating as this is, things won't get any better than this for the YPG. They are being subjected to ongoing massacres for the foreseeable future, and Turkey will ethnically cleanse the area. Conscription and forced disarmament down to the light weapons is especially brutal conditions though. The Syrian government sure wants everyone to know that it doesn't have any lessons to be learned from anything.
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Feb 19, 2018 09:17
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https://twitter.com/p_zalewski/status/965511535182393345 https://twitter.com/THE_47th/status/965511976645529600 Some people are having complicated and conflicted feelings this morning.
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Feb 19, 2018 10:05
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So what exactly is expected to happen if Assad and Erdogan get into a border scrap?
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Feb 19, 2018 11:01
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https://twitter.com/DailySabah/status/965540828436410369?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1
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Feb 19, 2018 12:01
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I'm skeptical. Everyone talks a big game about what they'll do if their troops are blocked from advances they want to make, but when it's come down to it the major sides have tended to back down from confrontation. The regime's certainly proposing to do more to defang the YPG than Turkey's done to defang HTS, which they're at least kind of defending in Idlib with their outposts standing in the way of a regime advance (though it does appear as if the balance of power may be shifting against HTS). I don't think the SAA is necessarily going to be free to march right up to the Turkish front line, because I think Turkey's at least going to want to finish clearing a border zone ringing the province, but I kind of doubt Turkey's going to fight the regime to capture the interior. Obviously Putin has a pretty heavy say in this too, so I guess we'll have to see where Russia lands on everything.
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Feb 19, 2018 14:35
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Sinteres posted:Obviously Putin has a pretty heavy say in this too, so I guess we'll have to see where Russia lands on everything.
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Feb 19, 2018 15:17
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Rent-A-Cop posted:If Erdogan decides to say "gently caress it!" and go ham on the Kurds and the SAA/Assadists Russia isn't going to be able to just cluster bomb the Turkish Army is submission. They have real AD capability. Russia and Turkey fighting would be unbelievably stupid for everyone involved, which is why Putin and Erdogan talk with one another regularly now, including today. Even if Putin can't openly dictate terms to Erdogan, Erdogan obviously can't just do whatever the gently caress he wants either.
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Feb 19, 2018 15:30
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Sinteres posted:unbelievably stupid for everyone involved
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Feb 19, 2018 15:58
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I guess we finally get to see just how much influence Russia genuinely has over the two. If both of them back down after a lot of mean words exchanged, I'd say - enough to tilt the outcome to the benefit of one of its allies (more power for Assad by ending Kurdish autonomy in Afrin by using the threat of Turkey). If they devolve into open warfare, tho, absolutely none of the aforementioned will benefit from it.
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Feb 19, 2018 17:12
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This will probably stop the Turkish invasion, at least until the Kurds start fighting pro-Assad forces.
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Feb 19, 2018 17:42
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Meanwhile https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/965600832828919809 https://twitter.com/SyriaCivilDef/status/965592323492077570
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Feb 19, 2018 17:58
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Yeah the situation in Ghouta right now is a nightmare. It's the children doing the suffering as per usual. That's putting it a bit lightly. My Twitter feed is about the most soul crushing it has ever been.
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Feb 19, 2018 18:00
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There's a video doing the rounds, reportedly from Ghouta, of a young kid who has survived having the front of his/her face being pretty much destroyed, I'd recommend you skip.
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Feb 19, 2018 18:12
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It autoplays.
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