|
simple question, oocc do you think its reasonable to not vote for the democrats in the presidential election because their candidate for president did not support a livable federal minimum wage among other things but lets stick with that one because its one that i, as a broke dude who works two lovely jobs to make ends meet in a state with a minimum wage that is fifty percent higher than the federal one, am very invested in seeing happen, because nobody should have to work without being able to support themselves at the end of the day BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Feb 19, 2018 |
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 00:47
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 00:48 |
|
|
We've a nasty word for people who do things that help them but gently caress over the rest of the working class. So opposing a local candidate on the basis that their national party opposes a livable minimum wage is not particularly odd.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:01
|
|
|
BENGHAZI 2 posted:do you think its reasonable to not vote for the democrats in the presidential election because their candidate for president did not support a livable federal minimum wage When one candidate is offering a 65% increase in minimum wage and trying to put it 15% above the poverty line and the other candidate is trying to reduce it to zero it's not really a vague "lesser of two evils" thing.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:04
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:We've a nasty word for people who do things that help them but gently caress over the rest of the working class. So opposing a local candidate on the basis that their national party opposes a livable minimum wage is not particularly odd. Also I literally don't have time for local politics because, as stated above I work sixty hours a week to stay afloat
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:05
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:When one candidate is offering a 65% increase in minimum wage and trying to put it 15% above the poverty line and the other candidate is trying to reduce it to zero it's not really a vague "lesser of two evils" thing. That wasn't what I asked you oocc, please answer my question
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:05
|
|
|
Anyone who says they are to the left of me are secretly a Republican and only I am a true leftist. Yes I think Uber is a great model for the future of America's economy, the minimum wage should not be raised, and am unable to understand the concept of empathy. Why do you ask? I mean poo poo, who used a monkey paw wish to bring their straw man to life?
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:06
|
|
|
Iron Twinkie posted:I am a true leftist. I'm sure you are the true leftist. That could not be convinced to vote one way or the other in a vote that was literally "raise the minimum wage over the poverty line" or "reduce it to zero"
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:16
|
|
|
hey poor people, I know you might like to have income above the poverty line but like, I'm sending a message, so hang in a few more years.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:17
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:I'm sure you are the true leftist. That could not be convinced to vote one way or the other in a vote that was literally "raise the minimum wage over the poverty line" or "reduce it to zero" I mean I'm the one arguing that twelve dollars an hour isn't a living wage and as such is a poo poo platform but also let's all giggle at the idea that it would have actually happened, because we all know starting from a compromise is great and good and doesn't end with more compromises So since you haven't actually answered my question it looks like we can safely surmise that you're in favor of the lesser evil. I think that is bullshit and I'm not going to support it.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:20
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:hey poor people, I know you might like to have income above the poverty line but like, I'm sending a message, so hang in a few more years. I like that you're sticking with above the poverty line and not livable you sycophantic piece of poo poo
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:21
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:hey poor people, I know you might like to have income above the poverty line but like, I'm sending a message, so hang in a few more years. hey poor people, I know you think it's worth fighting for a national minimum wage that's livable but you really should settle for a worse one or you're not true leftists.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:21
|
|
|
Also by the time you take out even the most meager taxes in states that don't take out much for themselves twelve an hour outs you JUST BARELY over poverty Thanks abuela now instead if starving I'm just mostly starving
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:23
|
|
|
Also if you think twelve would be a stepping stone to fifteen instead of a way for people to throw their hands up and say look you're not living in literal poverty anymore what more do you want I have several Bridges to sell you
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:24
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:Okay, so why didn't you vote for the democrats in your own state that were pushing for that? Like you are claiming you were so angry that the national democrat policy was 12 that that made you not support your local democrats pushing 15? You would give up yourself and everyone in your state getting 15 because someone else might only get 12 (and instead of 12 you favored them getting minimum wage lowered?) Owlofcreamcheese posted:So you are saying that 12 is bad but 15 is good so democrats are bad but ignoring that NY already signed it's 15 dollar an hour law that was written, voted by and signed by democrats? Not everyone in NY state is getting 15 an hour, that's for NYC and Long Island. The rest of NY will be getting minimum wage up to 12.50 by 2021, with a date for 15 per hour still yet to be decided. https://www.ny.gov/new-york-states-minimum-wage/new-york-states-minimum-wage https://www.govdocs.com/new-york-state-15-minimum-wage-paid-family-leave/
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:35
|
|
|
The sign of a true leftist is that they immediately compromise with rich people to accept the barest minimum concessions to their survival.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:39
|
|
|
Wow what a surprise oocc is a moron and I'm a bigger one for believing that I had missed hearing about the whole state getting fifteen an hour despite the fact that it would absolutely be the talk of everyone in retail hell gently caress yourself oocc, you don't even know what you're arguing about (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:42
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:The sign of a true leftist is that they immediately compromise with rich people to accept the barest minimum concessions to their survival. Twelve dollars an hour outs you just two grand over the poverty line Fifteen would be nine grand But no yeah going from poverty to subsistence is good enough
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 01:43
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:The sign of a true leftist is that they immediately compromise with rich people to accept the barest minimum concessions to their survival. The sign of a true leftist is pretending to reject "incrementalism" then telling people making 7 dollars an hour to just take a pay cut then wait a couple more years because you totally have a plan to put in zero effort then in 4 or 8 or 12 years maybe you can get them a better deal by letting republicans win every election.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 02:46
|
|
|
Where I live, Anaheim, the local democratic politicians on the city council are completely loving owned by Disney. I make it a policy in local elections to vote the exact opposite way that Disneyland’s local SuperPAC SOAR wants people to vote.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 02:51
|
|
|
BENGHAZI 2 posted:Also if you think twelve would be a stepping stone to fifteen instead of a way for people to throw their hands up and say look you're not living in literal poverty anymore what more do you want I have several Bridges to sell you The people living in poverty probably like the idea of not living in poverty instead of your principled stand to have trump reduce the minimum wage in some convoluted unexplained plan how that somehow gets you 15 dollars an hour.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 02:51
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:So you want the real purchasing power of minimum wage to be less for people in new york and california for some reason because it would make a number the same? Instead of recognizing that new york has a higher cost of living and you need a higher minimum wage to buy the same amount of things?   Hay guys we have the exact same goals and values honest, we just need to ~*pragmatically~* vote for neolibs because incremental progress is the only way to achieve our common goals! common goals like a living wage? ew no gently caress that and gently caress you, if you don't live in New York or California just die of diabetes already
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 02:55
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:The people living in poverty probably like the idea of not living in poverty instead of your principled stand to have trump reduce the minimum wage in some convoluted unexplained plan how that somehow gets you 15 dollars an hour. He says to person living in poverty.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 02:59
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:The people living in poverty probably like the idea of not living in poverty instead of your principled stand to have trump reduce the minimum wage in some convoluted unexplained plan how that somehow gets you 15 dollars an hour. Show where I supported that plan, please, and them swing back around to the part where NY State isn't going to have 15/hr as a whole by the end of 2019
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:04
|
|
|
Also I am not technically living in poverty but only because I work sixty hours a week,every week, including three fourteen hour days So I feel like I have a grasp on how people living on minimum wage feel here
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:05
|
|
|
Instead of being mad at voters who aren't supporting politicians that won't fight for the barest minimum on which they can support themselves, basic human rights, and dignity, maybe you should be mad at the politicians who view not fighting for those as an acceptable strategy.
Iron Twinkie fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Feb 19, 2018 |
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:07
|
|
|
Oocc given that new York state will not have 15/hr by the end of next year like you thought are you willing to apologize for treating me like a narcissistic rear end in a top hat and agree that perhaps I do have the interests of the millions like me at heart
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:09
|
|
|
BENGHAZI 2 posted:Also I am not technically living in poverty but only because I work sixty hours a week,every week, including three fourteen hour days Technicality aside that seems like some kind of poverty given that I'd literally die if I had to do that.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:13
|
|
|
12 dollars would literally be the highest national minimum wage of any country on earth except australia or luxembourg. There are numbers higher than 12, and all of them would be even better, but I literally can not comprehend of voting republican or not voting based on using THIS as some hard line you won't budge on. There is only two countries on the entire planet you could vote in an election if you could only vote for numbers higher than 12 without it being too much of a neoliberal compromise for your high standards.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:16
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:Technicality aside that seems like some kind of poverty given that I'd literally die if I had to do that. oh yeah no it absolutely loving sucks and i spend friday-sunday, every week, praying for death, monday and tuesday (hopefully) recovering, and then wednesday and thursday preparing to do it again while working my main job the only upside is that my air quotes side gig is absolutely mindless and i spend at least one of those shifts, cumulatively, loving around watching tokusatsu on my phone, and i get to catch up on a lot of podcasts downside is, i work 10 PM-6 AM so my body has stopped knowing what time or day it is
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:19
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:12 dollars would literally be the highest national minimum wage of any country on earth except australia or luxembourg. There are numbers higher than 12, and all of them would be even better, but I literally can not comprehend of voting republican or not voting based on using THIS as some hard line you won't budge on. god what do those countries have that we dont that drives up the cost of loving existing you stupid poo poo, and why are you settling for "barely above the poverty line"
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:19
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:12 dollars would literally be the highest national minimum wage of any country on earth except australia or luxembourg. There are numbers higher than 12, and all of them would be even better, but I literally can not comprehend of voting republican or not voting based on using THIS as some hard line you won't budge on. And if the people advocating for better wages lived in other countries then I'm sure they'd find lower wages more livable and that argument would float. Did you know that different countries have different costs of living? The truth may surprise you. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Feb 19, 2018 |
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:20
|
|
|
have you ever loving considered (you haven't) that perhaps minimum wage doesn't exist in a vacuum, that comparing the numbers in the hellscape that is america to any other developed nation is goddamn insane, that settling for just barely not starving to death is not loving acceptable? no of course you haven't it would require you to be a sapient human being instead of a fuckin dipshit with a fetish for science and you act like im immoral for not wanting to choose between "work to death" and "starve" gently caress you
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:24
|
|
|
OwlFancier posted:Did you know that different countries have different costs of living? The truth may surprise you. The US has a lower cost of living than 25 countries. It's okay to admit that if the US raised it's minimum wage by SIXTY FIVE PERCENT that it wouldn't be the worst country on earth. Like it currently is at 7.25 (soon to possibly be zero)
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:36
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:The US has a lower cost of living than 25 countries. It's okay to admit that if the US raised it's minimum wage by SIXTY FIVE PERCENT that it wouldn't be the worst country on earth. Like it currently is at 7.25 (soon to possibly be zero) no, but it would still be unacceptable to have an entire class of people working forty hours a week to just barely get over the poverty line also which 25 countries might those be sweetums
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:38
|
|
|
Owlofcreamcheese posted:12 dollars would literally be the highest national minimum wage of any country on earth except australia or luxembourg. WE ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY ON EARTH
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:41
|
|
|
i found the list he googled for and wouldn't you know it its a bunch of places where your taxes pay for actual social safety nets, and a few that don't but have Other Issues like for example japan being full of loving people hes right, everything is fine with people at the poverty line as a matter of fact (gently caress you)
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:42
|
|
|
hey oocc what do you do for a living? gimme a ballpark of how much you make, since you want to scoff at how other people are talking to people in poverty (even when they're only avoiding poverty by working nonstop), and i've been pretty open about my financial situation
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:45
|
|
|
A $12 minimum wage wouldn't make me feel very secure in a country where I can't even go to the doctor, lol. If I'm gonna die at age 40 might as well hold out for $15.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:48
|
|
|
Minimum wage should indexed to 3x the average rent for a 1b1br in a business’s location when averaged across 160 working hours in a month.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 03:58
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 00:48 |
|
|
This thread gives me a newfound respect for Republicans who at least understand the basic causality between winning elections and implementing policy.
|
|
#
?
Feb 19, 2018 04:01
|
|
