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Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer

cptn_dr posted:

Why on earth do you think it wouldn't have Wedge?

He was in Rebels, surely they wouldn't just ignore his existence in a show set when he's already a big shot.

Edit: different characterisations of Wes and Tycho would be sad and lame though.

I don't watch the cartoons, hence I have no actual way of knowing Wedge is in rebels?

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cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


Then maybe don't just assume the worst of something you've never seen?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Wedge is in Rebels as a guest character in a handful of episodes.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

cptn_dr posted:

Then maybe don't just assume the worst of something you've never seen?

I don't think you understand how fandom works.

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer

cptn_dr posted:

Then maybe don't just assume the worst of something you've never seen?

Wheat Loaf posted:

I don't think you understand how fandom works.

Yeah, being told not to assume the worst after 2016 is kinda laffo if you ask me.

Sorry I don't watch a cartoon that has a guest appearance of someone I liked in a comic and novel series 20 years ago and I'm not 100% up to date on the latest therein.

But really, any excuse for you to smugdog me.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
Dave Filloni really seems to be a big fan of the expanded universe and has incorporated things from it into Clone Wars and Rebels countless times. If he were the showrunner to a cartoon set between ROTJ and TFA I'm sure he'd include stuff Wedge, Tycho, Rogue Squadron, etc. this if corporate will let him and it doesn't contradict other material.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Is there a place to stream Rebels now? I've missed the last couple seasons.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Gammatron 64 posted:

Dave Filloni really seems to be a big fan of the expanded universe and has incorporated things from it into Clone Wars and Rebels countless times. If he were the showrunner to a cartoon set between ROTJ and TFA I'm sure he'd include stuff Wedge, Tycho, Rogue Squadron, etc. this if corporate will let him and it doesn't contradict other material.

He's a fan, but I'd rather he didn't do references because anytime he tried it in TCW it was pretty bad or nothing like the eu at all

pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Casimir Radon posted:

Is there a place to stream Rebels now? I've missed the last couple seasons.

Not that I know of. I keep on hoping they throw it on Netflix so I can marathon it.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Arcsquad12 posted:

He's a fan, but I'd rather he didn't do references because anytime he tried it in TCW it was pretty bad or nothing like the eu at all

His Thrawn stuff on Rebels has been good, but Zahn has been consulting, so that might help.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
I wish they’d done the Vong episode in TCW to grandfather them into Disney and cause all manner of rage, confusion, and terrible Snoke theories

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Casimir Radon posted:

Is there a place to stream Rebels now? I've missed the last couple seasons.

Not for free, but you can buy it on Amazon Prime.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
You were deafened.

"You could hear."

You were broken.

"You were whole."

You were blinded.

"And, at last, you saw."

Goddamn still as incredible as the first time I played Kotor 2 and now it's even better with the restored content.

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


Yeah, it's still one of my favourite bits of Star Wars ever. I love it so much. Especially with the restoration mod.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Arcsquad12 posted:

You were deafened.

"You could hear."

You were broken.

"You were whole."

You were blinded.

"And, at last, you saw."

Is that New Testament?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Kreia's Testament

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

The Last Temptation of Meetra.

Teek
Aug 7, 2006

Whatever.
A bunch of Han and Lando book merch incoming:

http://ew.com/movies/solo-star-wars-book-connections/solo-but-far-from-alone/

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I've had KOTOR 2 sitting on my Steam account uninstalled for a while. I seem to be subscribed to the Sith Lords restored content mod. If I install KOTOR 2, will the restored stuff be in it, or is there anything else I need to do?

Edit: Hmm. Daniel José Older is actually an author I have read and, for the most part, enjoyed.

Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Feb 16, 2018

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

As long as you're subscribed to the restored content entry on the Steam Workshop, it should automatically install with the game. I think it will download the game first, then you'll see a separate download start for the Workshop content, but it should be automatic.

Looking forward to that three-era Han and Lando book. Will be good to get some post-ROTJ stuff, especially with Lando.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I'd actually recommend not using the steam workshop version of TSLRCM. The installer version works just as well with steam and more importantly, it uses the tslpatcher tool to install, which is pretty much vital for allowing compatibility due to so many mods changing the appearance.2da file in the override folder.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Arcsquad12 posted:

I'd actually recommend not using the steam workshop version of TSLRCM. The installer version works just as well with steam and more importantly, it uses the tslpatcher tool to install, which is pretty much vital for allowing compatibility due to so many mods changing the appearance.2da file in the override folder.

Is that this one?

(Sorry, all of this electronic stuff remains beyond me.)

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I wish I hadn't installed the droid planet stuff, it's a real slog. I think I put it down 6 months ago and haven't gone back.

Looking forward to the new novel. Hopefully it's out soon.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I probably haven't played either KOTOR game in about 12 years. I remember not enjoying all the G0-T0 stuff because I left Nar Shaddaa to last (or near enough) and I think G0-T0 represents a fairly heavy plot dump right when the main storyline has tapered down into the endgame.

Other than that, the one thing I always remember bugging me about KOTOR 2 far more than any sense of incompleteness was that one side mission on Nar Shaddaa where you run into a Bith scientist whose detected a mysterious signal and he sends you to a nearby building to collect something from one of his friends, then when you get there you find his dead body and have to fight a droid, then when you get back to the Bith scientist's lab you have his severed arm, his droid assistant gone and a datapad revealing that the signal had caused droids to turn on their masters. I felt like there should've been more to that.

Does the restored content mod have Sleheyron?

Lord Hydronium
Sep 25, 2007

Non, je ne regrette rien


Wheat Loaf posted:

Other than that, the one thing I always remember bugging me about KOTOR 2 far more than any sense of incompleteness was that one side mission on Nar Shaddaa where you run into a Bith scientist whose detected a mysterious signal and he sends you to a nearby building to collect something from one of his friends, then when you get there you find his dead body and have to fight a droid, then when you get back to the Bith scientist's lab you have his severed arm, his droid assistant gone and a datapad revealing that the signal had caused droids to turn on their masters. I felt like there should've been more to that.
There is more. Talk to G0-T0 sometime about the weird droid happenings on Nar Shaddaa.

Looking forward to the Lando stuff. I never thought Legends did right by him post-ROTJ, so hopefully he can be taken in a more interesting direction this time.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The Bith sidequest is working as intended. It ties into GOTO's story. Goto was sending out frequencies across Nar Shaddaa to mess with Droid programming and act as his surveillance arm of The Exchange. The Bith got too close to the truth so Goto had the droids murder him and his twilek associate.

Also on Nar Shaddaa you can come across a Droid programmed to lose at Pazaak and messing around with its circuitry results on you finding more surveillance devices. Finally, there is a Droid in Vogga the Hutt's warehouse that t3m4 can talk to who says that he has been programmed to transmit the transponder codes of all Vogga's freighters to an unspecified location, but doesn't know why. GOTO uses these codes to intercept Vogga's shipments and ruin his business.

When you get Goto as a party member, you can bring these issues to his attention and then with a bit of influence you can accuse him of being a rogue Droid intelligence rather than a human crime boss.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

Arcsquad12 posted:

The Bith sidequest is working as intended. It ties into GOTO's story. Goto was sending out frequencies across Nar Shaddaa to mess with Droid programming and act as his surveillance arm of The Exchange. The Bith got too close to the truth so Goto had the droids murder him and his twilek associate.

Also on Nar Shaddaa you can come across a Droid programmed to lose at Pazaak and messing around with its circuitry results on you finding more surveillance devices. Finally, there is a Droid in Vogga the Hutt's warehouse that t3m4 can talk to who says that he has been programmed to transmit the transponder codes of all Vogga's freighters to an unspecified location, but doesn't know why. GOTO uses these codes to intercept Vogga's shipments and ruin his business.

When you get Goto as a party member, you can bring these issues to his attention and then with a bit of influence you can accuse him of being a rogue Droid intelligence rather than a human crime boss.

Which ties into an earlier plot point on Talos On Talos you are tasked with escorting the replacement droid responsible for overseeing the world's rebuilding. G0-T0 was the original. He went beyond the scope of that project and realized that the only way was to heal the republic itself and his entire crime operation is a means to do so.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Oh, sure, absolutely, it's probably just because I didn't enjoy much the G0-T0 or Nar Shaddaa main plot (I liked the Nar Shaddaa side quests better). All that running back and forth between different bars, the Exchange base, G0-T0's ship etc. was a bit tedious to me.

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


thrawn527 posted:

I could actually totally see them doing a show that takes place between RotJ and TFA. They did Clone Wars for prequel era, then Rebels for the pre-ANH era. Starting to fill in the 30 years post RotJ with the next TV show seems like a no brainer.

What that show will look like, of course, is anyone's guess.

Knights of the New Republic. :getin:

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Well, I finished my KOTOR 2 Restored Content playthrough. I don't know what makes me sadder; that this is the best version we can get of what could have been, or that The Old Republic MMO utterly wastes the potential that both KOTOR games accumulated.
I've been reading a lot of Arthurian legend stuff lately and it is hard not to see the parallels between Revan and Arthur with regards to their disappearances. Revan goes off to battle the Dark Side in the unknown regions, Arthur goes to Avalon, only to return upon England's greatest time of need. The thing is though, that Arthur was never intended to return, because that immediately puts a value upon crises that affect England. The greatest time of need for England to have Arthur return would be something apocalyptic like a literal biblical judgement day, which is why Arthur cannot return and have a satisfying conclusion to his story. Because his story is already over. It has been told in the legends of King Arthur and it ends with him going to Avalon. Anything beyond that just reads like bad fanfiction.

The same thing applies to Revan and the Exile. The thing about Revan, which a lot of people don't get, is that he is not an interesting character when he is onscreen. There is an exception to be made when you play as him in KOTOR 1, but that is not the same thing as him being an established character. What makes Revan so fascinating in KOTOR 2 is that he is never physically present, leaving anything said about him up to conjecture and anecdotes. He is way more interesting to think about when he's not there to disprove theories, which is why his appearance in the MMO is so lackluster bordering on terrible. You really can't walk back from the myths and legends surrounding a character like Revan or the Exile and not end up a little disappointed in the reality. You could very well make a compelling story about how the man fails to live up to the legend (See Luke in The Last Jedi), but the route that Bioware took Revan in for the MMO was just terrible. They fell into their own hype for the character, and he just ends up as this pseudo-intellectual dumbass screaming about his destiny and how he will save the universe BECAUSE I'M REVAN AND I'M SPESHUL! Incidentally, the two page draft of KOTOR 2 that Bioware worked on before jumping away to develop Mass Effect was pretty bad. You're being trained by a Sith Yoda species to become an assassin and take over the galaxy. Maybe it would have been best if Bioware had just never come back to the KOTOR setting.

If a KOTOR 3 was ever going to be made, it should not have focused on either Revan or the Exile, but on a new character. The series is called Knight(s) plural, not Knight singular. By all means reference the events of the previous games, but use them to spin a new story, rather than a sequel that cannot hope to live up to the fan and in-universe expectations alike. It doesn't matter how Revan and the Exile defeated the Sith beyond the galaxy, only that it happened. The how of the matter is irrelevant, only that the threat was stopped, allowing the galaxy to progress as it did towards the films. New protagonist, new plot, maybe even a new threat that isn't Sith related. Dark side, sure, but the Sith suffer from overexposure at times. It's something I respect Bioware for doing with the Dragon Age games. They might not be the best versions of the games they are, but I respect that each game goes off in a different angle rather than one long chronicle of the "insert epithet here" protagonist.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Feb 17, 2018

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Also this is on a completely different tangent, but I wonder what would be gained if one of the Inquisitors in Star Wars Rebels had been Jerec.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Arcsquad12 posted:

Also this is on a completely different tangent, but I wonder what would be gained if one of the Inquisitors in Star Wars Rebels had been Jerec.
Jerec had a more distinct personality than most of them did. They could have gotten his actor to voice him too. Bring Rahn in too, that would be cool.

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


Arcsquad12 posted:

I've been reading a lot of Arthurian legend stuff lately and it is hard not to see the parallels between Revan and Arthur with regards to their disappearances. Revan goes off to battle the Dark Side in the unknown regions, Arthur goes to Avalon, only to return upon England's greatest time of need. The thing is though, that Arthur was never intended to return, because that immediately puts a value upon crises that affect England. The greatest time of need for England to have Arthur return would be something apocalyptic like a literal biblical judgement day, which is why Arthur cannot return and have a satisfying conclusion to his story. Because his story is already over. It has been told in the legends of King Arthur and it ends with him going to Avalon. Anything beyond that just reads like bad fanfiction.

Yeah, I've always liked the joke "if the Spanish Armada, Napoleon, and Hitler weren't enough to make Arthur come back, what ungodly thing is Britain still in for?"

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

ninjahedgehog posted:

Yeah, I've always liked the joke "if the Spanish Armada, Napoleon, and Hitler weren't enough to make Arthur come back, what ungodly thing is Britain still in for?"

Oh, but it was Napoleon. The Duke of Wellington's name was "Arthur Wellesley". :v:

Cross-Section
Mar 18, 2009



Just a mockup cover commissioned by Kevin Rubio, there's no actual T&B comic announced... yet

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Cross-Section posted:



Just a mockup cover commissioned by Kevin Rubio, there's no actual T&B comic announced... yet

So THAT'S how Maz got the lightsaber.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
You know, if it had turned out that Valkorion was actually just a shell possessed by Marka Ragnos the whole time, I'd have been a lot more forgiving of TOR's Sith Emperor being super overpowered.

I mean, it wouldn't make up for how terrible the Eternal Empire concept is, but it would be a start in the right direction.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Arcsquad12 posted:

You know, if it had turned out that Valkorion was actually just a shell possessed by Marka Ragnos the whole time, I'd have been a lot more forgiving of TOR's Sith Emperor being super overpowered.

I mean, it wouldn't make up for how terrible the Eternal Empire concept is, but it would be a start in the right direction.

i tried reading the wookiepedia articles about events/people in old republic, but my eyes glazed over and i felt sad. i miss old kotor and Kotor2. yeah i liked the idea that revan was supposed to be arturian legend type, but then he becomes a god and then the sith emperor is basicaly some warhammer 40k type eternal mother fucker? idk. i liked the idea of the sith empire and all the sith trying to gently caress each other over. idk. is the game even worth the price?

Der Luftwaffle
Dec 29, 2008

Dapper_Swindler posted:

idk. is the game even worth the price?

Well, it lets you do stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxT-51DNGQY

So kind of?

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Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Der Luftwaffle posted:

Well, it lets you do stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxT-51DNGQY

So kind of?

This was good.

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