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I mean, there did seem to be a master of the ceremonies who they could have asked about rule clarification, but Killmonger killed him. (re: Same topic as all the previous posts.)
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201.8M 3-day, tracking for $235 4 day. $404 global launch. 2nd highest Sunday ever. Jesus Christ those numbers.
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It probably doesn't really matter whether or not he technically lost the first fight; if he lost, then just consider it a rematch. There are no established rematch rules, after all.
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Feb 19, 2018 16:55
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:201.8M 3-day, tracking for $235 4 day. $404 global launch. 2nd highest Sunday ever. This (and Avengers 3) is why Disney probably won't lose too much sleep over Solo when it bombs. 
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I think something that gets lost in the discussion about W'Kabi is that aside from his issues with Klaw, dude's a border cop who whines about refugees earlier in the film. I'm sure he doesn't really care about Killmonger's cause and by the point he turns against T'Challa, simply sees it as the best way to keep the rest of the world out of Wakanda. He'd probably prefer to keep on keeping on with hiding, but it's pretty clear by that point that T'Challa, who's done poo poo like bring Ross into the country (and Bucky, but I'm pretty sure no one except T'Challa and Shuri know about that) is not going to do that. His choices by that point are either to let T'Challa keep that up, or to support an effort that will have those who might be interested in actually coming to Wakanda as refugees do their own thing elsewhere. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Feb 19, 2018 |
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:201.8M 3-day, tracking for $235 4 day. $404 global launch. 2nd highest Sunday ever. Highest MCU opening except for Avengers, beating out even Age of Ultron (and Civil War, which was Avengers 2.5 let's be real). Highest opening of any Marvel solo film by $27 million (over Iron Man 3). Highest opening of any Marvel solo debut by $103 million (over Iron Man, unless you count Homecoming as a debut movie, which I don't, but it's $85 million in that case). I'm sure Thanos is gonna gently caress up Wakanda at least a bit in Infinity War because giving them a setback is a good way to prevent them from going out and fixing with world with the Outreach Centers right away, but I wonder if Marvel isn't taking a second look at that footage today, especially if any of the supporting cast were slated to get killed off.
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I'm re-watching Spider-Man Homecoming for the first time since seeing it in theatres and I forgot just how good this movie really is. They hit almost all the notes perfectly. Only thing that I'd say isn't perfect is that I never really felt like Peter "screwed up" the arms deal on the ferry. The FBI was gonna close in, Toomes would've put on the Vulture suit, people would have died because he's way above what they were prepared to deal with. I'd say Spider-Man's involvement kept that from happening. Although I guess the argument could be made that Toomes only got to his suit in time because he was tipped off about Spider-Man. Not that big a deal. It's not important that Peter screws up so much as Peter and Tony feel like he screwed up, but it coulda been nice if there was a blatant moment of Peter being too wreckless and causing things to be worse than they woulda been, which I just didn't get from that scene.
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Nah the boat thing is definitely another example of Tony screwing up because he decided to do something and not clue in anybody even though he should've and when it blew up on him he shifted the blame to someone else like he always does
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Feb 19, 2018 19:10
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He told lots of people. Just not Peter.
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site posted:Nah the boat thing is definitely another example of Tony screwing up because he decided to do something and not clue in anybody even though he should've and when it blew up on him he shifted the blame to someone else like he always does No that's not really the takeaway there at all.
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He ignores Pete all the time and doesn't let him know he alerted the feds and when Pete shows up to do his thing, because he has no way of knowing the FBI was gonna be there, and things go south, Tony gets mad at him for not magically having perfect information about what was happening and blames him for it. seems pretty cut and dry to me
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Feb 19, 2018 19:29
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Tony gets mad that the teenager he told not to do something does it anyway. It might seem unfair that Peter is on a need to know basis but Tony consider him to be in training and with the bike thief and car jacker situations he doesn't have any reason to believe he's ready. And his actual gently caress up on the boat was causing the super gun to go nuts and almost kill everybody. Vulture probably would have evaded the feds because Tony underestimates him but the whole ship wouldn't have gone down.
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Feb 19, 2018 19:43
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Stark was near the ship in person, so I assume the plan was for the Vulture to take off and then have Iron Man swoop on him. The Vulture isn't fast.
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site posted:He ignores Pete all the time and doesn't let him know he alerted the feds and when Pete shows up to do his thing, because he has no way of knowing the FBI was gonna be there, and things go south, Tony gets mad at him for not magically having perfect information about what was happening and blames him for it. seems pretty cut and dry to me Because he's trying to keep him out of real danger. If Peter knows, he's not going to stay away. Lying is the only way that might work in that situation.
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Feb 19, 2018 19:51
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I dunno, if Pete knew Tony and the feds were doing a sting that's kinda good incentive not follow the boat
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site posted:I dunno, if Pete knew Tony and the feds were doing a sting that's kinda good incentive not follow the boat
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Yeah like the whole reason that Pete was in this in the first place was that when Pete tried to alert Tony so that he could do something about the vulture, Tony blew him off. I have a hard time believing Tony actually cares about Pete's welfare, i mean he lied to the kid and bought him off with a shiny suit to fight the avengers and then sent him home and never spoke to him again until that shocker fight... where he ignored Pete's plea for help
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Feb 19, 2018 20:16
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Fangz posted:I mean the rules do say that but there's gotta be a lot of times where the loser goes down the waterfall and they never find the body. Like if Killmonger went over the cliff instead and reappeared a few days later having used a stolen heart-shaped herb and donning royal armour, there would be no question that if the royal guard fights on T'Challa's behalf they'll be correctly fulfilling their duty. It's not that W'Kabi is right, it's that the rules are at least ambiguous, and arguably he follows their spirit better than the Dora Milaje. I mean, not really? The spirit of the rules is that the throne goes to somebody who has either the direct approval or at least the tacit acceptance of all five tribes. Erik doesn't have that because while the rules technically allow him to challenge literally nobody there knows who he is, and his policies are incredibly unpopular. Nobody actually wants him as king. The Trump comparison really is an apt one, since Trump won the electoral college and is the winner according to the rules, but lost the popular vote and doesn't have the kind of popular acceptance that the process is supposed to measure in the first place.
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Feb 19, 2018 20:26
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site posted:I have a hard time believing Tony actually cares about Pete's welfare, i mean he lied to the kid and bought him off with a shiny suit to fight the avengers and then sent him home and never spoke to him again until that shocker fight... where he ignored Pete's plea for help
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, not really? The spirit of the rules is that the throne goes to somebody who has either the direct approval or at least the tacit acceptance of all five tribes. Erik doesn't have that because while the rules technically allow him to challenge literally nobody there knows who he is, and his policies are incredibly unpopular. Nobody actually wants him as king. It's honestly just a really bad way to decide your monarchs.
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BrianWilly posted:I don't think the support of the tribes is going to help you all that much when you're fighting someone to the death at the edge of the waterfall. The whole challenge thing is obviously much more than "just" a ceremonial, technical process considering how seriously it ended up being taken. Like, what if M'Baku had really won the first challenge? Would everyone have gone "Nah, technically we don't like you so we're not gonna follow you just because you won" or would they have followed the rites to the letter? I think the fact that T'challa's family line has never lost probably affects expectations going into one.
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It's interesting how (Killmonger spoilers) once again an MCU villain's evil plan is to spread dangerous super-weapons around the world. Iron Monger, Vulture, and now Killmonger are all variants on that. Diamondback in Luke Cage too, and to an extent Yellowjacket. Anxiety about technology in the wrong hands is a theme they keep running with. Killmonger is more interesting because he's doing it for ideology rather than profit, though.
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Re: Black Panther's ending: they don't really have a choice but to change the rules of succession now given that there aren't any more heart-shaped herbs, because once they take away the current Black Panther's power for the trial by combat there's no way to give it back to the winner afterwards. I mean I'd like to think Wakanda is forward-thinking enough to keep a seed bank or something but given that the heart-shaped herb is a weird magic plant who knows how hard it might be to cultivate again.
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Yeah, Tony's shtick is "get stuck in his own head and don't give people feedback on things." His character arc hadn't really been fixing that, it's been realizing that it happens. So on the one hand he's trying to help Peter out of honest caring (that comment on the boat about the churro lady or whatever it was for example, that shows he was listening to Peter's messages), but on the other hand he realizes he's a bad influence and wants to keep him at arm's length. And then he still does the Tony stuff of "we'll wrap this all up and I'll swoop in to save the day, no need to tell Peter anything's going on" or "build him a suit! With a bajillion new features! And guns! It'll be cool! What, too much for a kid? I'll just stick it behind a password lock."
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BrianWilly posted:It's honestly just a really bad way to decide your monarchs. Better than "you're the son of the last guy" like in real life. Is it stated only T'Challa's tribe has ever been king? because after thousands of years it could have switched around depending on who won a challenge. The title of Black Panther is the leader/greatest warrior of the Panther tribe but the other tribes could have ruled Wakanda without changing the Black Panther's duty as protector
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#1 movie and #1 album. https://twitter.com/billboard/status/965335941769580564 
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Saw it today at last. I have nothing to add to this conversation that others haven't already. The film was 99% flawless and my only legit complaint is the first fight in the jungle was just a bit too dark but that may have been our theater. I have never seen a film take hold of the audience like that, such an incredible experience. 1:30 on a Monday and it was packed. Can we get an Odin/T'Chaka team up in the afterlife scene sometime? I feel like wise, ghost dad's could be fun.
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Extremely minor gripe but would it really have been so hard to get a Korean native speaker for the one Korean character who is introduced as a salty weathered Busan ajumma and speaks only in Korean It's so jarring that I needed the subtitles to tell what she was saying, and I hear that her lines were redubbed for the Korean release
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Rhyno posted:Saw it today at last. I have nothing to add to this conversation that others haven't already. The film was 99% flawless and my only legit complaint is the first fight in the jungle was just a bit too dark but that may have been our theater. Was your screening 3D? I can never get a screening in 3D that isn't at least partly dimmed. The jungle fight at the beginning was a pleasant surprise for me because it ended up better in the movie than in the footage I had seen before. The cuts were fast enough that it hid what used to seem like clunky moves.
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Ever since I saw the movie/ listened to the album I've been getting super into music with afrofuturist themes/ sounds. So not only was it a great film, with some great music, it's sent me off down this great musical rabbit hole leading into the world of contemporary African music as well.
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Lobok posted:Was your screening 3D? I can never get a screening in 3D that isn't at least partly dimmed. I saw it in 2D and the opening jungle fight was extremely dark for my showing as well. Everything else was fine, but that fight was basically pitch black except for the muzzle flashes.
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cptn_dr posted:So not only was it a great film, with some great music, it's sent me off down this great musical rabbit hole leading into the world of contemporary African music as well. Is there a thread for this on the forums?
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Lobok posted:Was your screening 3D? I can never get a screening in 3D that isn't at least partly dimmed. Nope, My glasses tend to get in the way of 3D so we always opt to skip it.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Is there a thread for this on the forums? Negrotown talks about afro-futurism a lot. As an added benefit we've been celebrating Black Panther for daaays. Edit: forgot, we also have a black art thread. Mostly paintings but some afro-futurist photography pops up too. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Feb 20, 2018 |
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The theater is supposed to raise the brightness a certain amount for 3D to compensate for the glasses. Many don't though, and it sounds like a lot of yours didn't set it correctly for 2D either.
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Km add me to the list of people who are interested in that costuming effortpost if you can find some spare time
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AnonSpore posted:Extremely minor gripe but would it really have been so hard to get a Korean native speaker for the one Korean character who is introduced as a salty weathered Busan ajumma and speaks only in Korean my wife and I joked that Lupita has better Korean than the ajumma
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They even shot those scenes in Korea.
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site posted:Km add me to the list of people who are interested in that costuming effortpost if you can find some spare time Same here!
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