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SkunkDuster posted:I was wondering about the green stickers on the backs of QBs helmets and found that it was because they have a radio in the helmet and one person on offense and one on defense is allowed to have a helmet radio. What is the penalty if two people on offense or defense are wearing radio helmets? That would probably be handled by the commissioner, who could levy fines, suspensions, draft picks, or whatever else seemed appropriate.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 04:43 |
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# ? Apr 29, 2024 07:30 |
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Yeah that's not a flag on the field type penalty, that's a Spygate or Deflategate kind of scandal.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 04:44 |
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That system is run by league officials, not the teams. The back up helmets are kept under lock and key, and use is monitored. It's not really something you can exploit.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 06:02 |
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Volkerball posted:That system is run by league officials, not the teams. The back up helmets are kept under lock and key, and use is monitored. It's not really something you can exploit. Bluetooth is getting smaller and smaller.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 08:07 |
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Yeah you would probably just go to earpieces if you were looking to cheat. Doesn’t seem like it would be worth much even if you could avoid getting caught, not sure the benefits would outpace the logistical pain. Stuff like that would even have to be hidden from most players or you’re in trouble come free agency etc.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 14:08 |
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Although there's probably a half-dozen teams that would attempt to put radios in all helmets to gain an advantage but also put green stickers on 'em.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 15:35 |
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The wild-but-plausible-to-me cheating rumor that used to go around was that the radios sometimes mysteriously stopped working in away games before critical plays. Maybe they're just crappy systems or were back then, though, I don't know. Aside-on-aside here but a couple years ago Microsoft was really pushing their surface tablets on NFL sidelines, paying for commentators to say spots during games, etc. I wish I could remember the specific game but basically both teams' tablets (or their wireless network or something else) had failed and the commentators were awkwardly going through the motions of selling their amazing capabilities over shots of frustrated assistant coaches frantically ditching them for paper.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 15:48 |
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pangstrom posted:The wild-but-plausible-to-me cheating rumor that used to go around was that the radios sometimes mysteriously stopped working in away games before critical plays. Maybe they're just crappy systems or were back then, though, I don't know. Also, the announcers would constantly call them iPads.
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 16:04 |
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Lol. Was futilely googling to try to find the surface debacle game I had seen (it wasn't Patriots/Broncos), and evidently Jay Cutler called them "knockoff iPads" in some interview. $400 million for this kind of exposure seems a little steep. (lots of current coworkers love their surface pros, for what that's worth)
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# ? Nov 27, 2017 16:51 |
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Patriots stopped using them last season. https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/18/13320664/bill-belichick-patriots-microsoft-surface-tablet-nfl Impossibly Perfect Sphere fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Nov 27, 2017 |
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QB throws a 5 yard pass. Receiver gets 5 YAC then fumbles on the tackle which is recovered by the defense and returned for a 20 yard TD. Does the QB still get 10 yards passing and does the receiver get a 10 yard reception with 5 YAC? Does the fumble and return change anything for the offensive stat sheets?
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# ? Feb 20, 2018 04:37 |
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SkunkDuster posted:QB throws a 5 yard pass. Receiver gets 5 YAC then fumbles on the tackle which is recovered by the defense and returned for a 20 yard TD. Yeah, that's a 10-yard pass and 10-yard reception. Turnovers have no effect on the offense's stats, so the defender just gets credit for a 20-yard fumble recovery.
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# ? Feb 20, 2018 05:12 |
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Benne posted:Yeah, that's a 10-yard pass and 10-yard reception. Turnovers have no effect on the offense's stats, so the defender just gets credit for a 20-yard fumble recovery. With a caveat: If a receiver fumbles it then it gets recovered by the offense behind where they ran to... they lose that yardage on the reception. for example the play here becomes a -22 yard reception because the QB tries a shovel pass while falling down that the receiver then fumbles... very far backwards. (1 hour 33 minutes in if the timecode doesn't work) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsTNMSbZtDU&t=5580s
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# ? Feb 20, 2018 07:03 |
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Kalli posted:With a caveat: If a receiver fumbles it then it gets recovered by the offense behind where they ran to... they lose that yardage on the reception. You're also right, but when the offense recovers a fumble it doesn't count as a turnover, since they technically never lost possession. So hence, the offense gets credited with lost yardage on that play. There's also situations where the QB throws an interception, the defender fumbles, and the offense gets the ball back, but at that point we're getting into Football Follies territory where it's gonna look weird on the box score no matter what.
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# ? Feb 20, 2018 10:18 |
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The play summary for the time James Jones fumbled twice is probably pretty funny.
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# ? Feb 20, 2018 10:25 |
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Benne posted:There's also situations where the QB throws an interception, the defender fumbles, and the offense gets the ball back, but at that point we're getting into Football Follies territory where it's gonna look weird on the box score no matter what. 2nd and 6 at ALA 16 - Robert Bolden pass complete to Chaz Powell, fumbled, forced by Robert Lester, recovered by Alab Robert Lester at the Alab 9, Robert Lester for 89 yards, fumbled, recovered by PnSt at the PnSt 2, to the PnSt 2, tackled by Robert Lester. The ESPN stat line fails to mention that Chaz Powell is the PSU player that picked up the fumble on the 2. But, Alabama fumbled somewhere around the 15 and another Alabama player fumbled the recovery. The drive started on the PSU 23, got to the Alabama 9, restarts at the PSU 2, ends in a punt at the PSU 14 in six minutes time. Its one of the strangest sequences I've ever seen in a football game.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 05:04 |
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Kind of a silly question, but say LB sacks QB and causes a fumble. QB recovers the fumble and gets back up to throw and the same LB tackles him again behind the line. Does the LB get credit for two sacks in one play?
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# ? Mar 20, 2018 02:15 |
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No he'd get credit for a forced fumble and a tackle
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# ? Mar 21, 2018 21:09 |
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SkunkDuster posted:Kind of a silly question, but say LB sacks QB and causes a fumble. QB recovers the fumble and gets back up to throw and the same LB tackles him again behind the line. Does the LB get credit for two sacks in one play? iirc, a sack is a tackle. So if the QB fumbled before being down by the LB, it's not a sack. Although, if the fumble is recovered by the defense, the LB is awarded a sack.
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Ron Jeremy posted:iirc, a sack is a tackle. So if the QB fumbled before being down by the LB, it's not a sack. Although, if the fumble is recovered by the defense, the LB is awarded a sack. Pretty sure it would still be a sack if it was recovered by the offense. But I don't know if you can throw a recovered fumble.
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# ? Mar 22, 2018 23:05 |
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Henchman of Santa posted:Pretty sure it would still be a sack if it was recovered by the offense. But I don't know if you can throw a recovered fumble. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV2xZZLppbM Wisconsin would then lose because it was the '80s.
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# ? Mar 23, 2018 14:46 |
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How does compensation work during the playoffs? Does every player get a certain amount per game depending on what round they lose in?
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# ? Jun 8, 2018 19:10 |
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Yeah. it's like $25k per player in the wildcard round, a tiny bit more then that in the divisional, about $50k in the championship round, then a little above that for the SB loser, and double that for the winner. Players aren't paid for the bye week if they have one.
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# ? Jun 8, 2018 19:12 |
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Wow, that's not much (by NFL player standards, I mean).
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# ? Jun 8, 2018 19:15 |
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Depends on the player. Like yeah Stafford would wipe his rear end with a couple hundred grand (bear with me here as we imagine the Lions making a deep playoff run lmao). But for rando special teamers or the fullback or something reaching the Super Bowl amounts to like a 50% bonus.
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# ? Jun 8, 2018 19:31 |
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When talking about pass rushing DE's and OLB's, why is their designation EDGE written in all-caps? Is it an acronym of something, or simply that all the other positions are written in caps as well (due to being acronyms)?
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# ? Sep 2, 2018 09:22 |
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OperaMouse posted:When talking about pass rushing DE's and OLB's, why is their designation EDGE written in all-caps? Is it an acronym of something, or simply that all the other positions are written in caps as well (due to being acronyms)? I don't believe there is any acronym involved, and if you read articles about them they're often just referred to as edge rushers or Edge rushers. The term is generally used in pre-draft evaluations or maybe in free agency, once those players are on a team they'd usually be referred to as either a DE or OLB depending on how that team uses them. I think EDGE might be styled that way in some places because all other positions are all caps. QB, RB, WR, etc. I suppose we should be grateful they haven't just shortened a fake position name to ED or something to make things even more confusing. e: I suppose this might also come up when comparing pass rushers league-wide. I'd imagine it might come up if you play a version of fantasy football where you draft individuals on defense but I don't really know. I did see that some places do shorten EDGE to EDR, so I guess there is a shortened version out there. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Sep 2, 2018 |
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OperaMouse posted:When talking about pass rushing DE's and OLB's, why is their designation EDGE written in all-caps? Is it an acronym of something, or simply that all the other positions are written in caps as well (due to being acronyms)? I'm pretty sure that designation came about exactly because using the different nomenclatures for different defensive schemes makes it confusing. EDGE makes it clear what position they play, regardless of whether their team ran a 4-3 or a 3-4. Obviously there are differences between playing DE and OLB, but they're also similar enough that a general term for both makes sense. Then they capitalized it for the reasons above. This is kind of a guess though
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# ? Sep 2, 2018 21:14 |
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Yeah, there are pass rush guys who line up as DEs if you're playing a 4-3 and OLBs if you're playing a 3-4. I'm actually glad people are starting to call them EDGE (or anything, really) because it is annoying to say something like "3-4 LB or 4-3 DE" about the DeMarcus Ware type of players.
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