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trotsky was such a huge figure, "whites" portrayed anti-semitic images of his fat naked body.
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Feb 21, 2018 04:16
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Dude responded with a rolling propaganda loaded cinema and information train.
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in many ways, the october revolution was the beginning of the reign of the soviets edits: nobody knew how to adjust to this economy and it showed. the production of factories gave stalin the feeling that the economy was on the rise the february revolution was kicked off by riots in the city of petrograph HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Feb 21, 2018 04:34
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the sieges of pantograd and telegrad left scars on the landscape that persist to this day
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Feb 21, 2018 04:56
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SRs (socialist republicans) harassment and masochism ran rampant
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Feb 21, 2018 05:04
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Alright, you can learn from Monty that milhist doesn't work, try telling the girl about your ideas for a video game, and on the second date, how you would reorganize politics https://youtu.be/ApslS7RKxYA
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Feb 21, 2018 06:32
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Rockopolis posted:Yeah, but where do the wives come from? Just born to the life? It helps if you think of these people like 1%er's or other gang-like organizations. This also isn't an era where personal autonomy is taken into consideration and many young women are prone to making the same stupid decisions that young men make.
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Feb 21, 2018 06:39
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Ithle01 posted:This also isn't an era where personal autonomy is taken into consideration if so, that's a choice within a number of lovely options. i'm not sure there's any good options, in the 17th century.
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Feb 21, 2018 06:51
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Was the money better than civilian life?
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Feb 21, 2018 06:57
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Night10194 posted:Was the money better than civilian life? some soldiers make a shitload more. i don't know why, who these dudes were, or what their lives were like. that's the long tail on the pikemen and halberdiers to the right. 
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Feb 21, 2018 07:04
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I don't see how you'd find difficulty meeting women while marching up and down Europe. Plenty of modern soldiers manage to meet somebody while on tour, and failing that, they can always try settling back into a community for long enough to do things in the normal way for the time. And also, prostitutes.
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Feb 21, 2018 07:07
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HEY GUNS posted:that's actually in the dissertation. tl;dr: in the 1620s most soldiers make something comparable to artisan work (the example i use in my diss is construction) when you're paid, but you are less likely to be paid regularly. if you are paid regularly it's once a month, not once a day or once a week. on the other hand you are paid whether or not you work, which nobody else is.png[/timg] Plus all the loot you can loot.
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The Lone Badger posted:Plus all the loot you can loot. sometimes the captain takes a cut
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't see how you'd find difficulty meeting women while marching up and down Europe. Plenty of modern soldiers manage to meet somebody while on tour, and failing that, they can always try settling back into a community for long enough to do things in the normal way for the time. Additionally people seem to generally forget that the concept of an army having it's own army-run logistics train is a relatively recent concept outside of (partial) outliers like Persia under Xerxes and the Roman military. For the majority of history, armies were supported by civilians following the army to sell goods and services and so on.
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Feb 21, 2018 08:07
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HEY GUNS posted:in my dissertation i theorize (but can never prove) that this might be one of the attractions of the military subculture for men and women, as one of the very few places that someone can exercise personal choice in life. Yeah from what I recall in that book on German small town life joining up can sound preferable to living in the hellishly restrictive world of the guild system.
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Feb 21, 2018 08:10
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Ithle01 posted:Yeah from what I recall in that book on German small town life joining up can sound preferable to living in the hellishly restrictive world of the guild system. In Sweden/Finland at the time service isn't voluntary and isn't for a set time, but still beats the borderline starvation conditions of the backwoods and you can loot your way into riches if you are lucky.
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Ithle01 posted:Yeah from what I recall in that book on German small town life joining up can sound preferable to living in the hellishly restrictive world of the guild system. That ~4 year life expectancy rate though.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The British Admiralty was very good at torching their own documents like they'd been hit during the Blitz even though they weren't. Several official files on War Planning and fleet exercises that involved 100+ ships got burned because some rando didn't decide that they looked interesting enough to preserve. The New Zealand Government shipped vast quantities of vital papers out of Wellington during the Great War in case the city was attacked by a German warship. No records seem to have been kept of where all this stuff actually went. We found the Treaty of Waitangi, the country's founding document, about forty years later being used as a doorstop in a country courthouse and there are still law and history PhDs being issued today essentially on the basis of "I found a box of documents".
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Feb 21, 2018 10:07
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Anyone read Panzer Gunner? I thought this guy's story was too interesting to pass up, so I picked it up. His parents were ethnic German Ukrainians, migrated to Canada where he was born, dad was a huge nazi, sent him to Germany by himself in 1939 when he was 15, drafted into the Wehrmacht in 1944, ends up being a Panzer IV and later Jagdpanzer IV gunner before returning to Canada in the 50s. That is weird enough to earn a look. But a lot of it, particularly the combat anecdotes feel kinda fishy. He claims to have knocked out a total of twenty or so tanks, which is pretty extraordinary. All of his combat is tank-on-tank with no infantry in sight. Most of the time his unit seems to have no mission whatsoever, and just freely roams around the countryside in groups of three tanks, just dunkin' on T-34s. The author is also kind of getting on my nerves. He seems to have absolutely no self awareness about the fact that he was a Nazi footsoldier in a genocidal war of aggression. At one point his tank gets knocked out, and he and his buddies are sent "foraging" while they wait around for replacements. "Foraging" involves going around the Lithuanian countryside and mugging farmers for their silverware and food. He acts all uppity about an incident where one of this pals threatens a farmer to shake the ham out of him, proudly declaring that he never used any threats or violence in his "foraging". I feel like when a troop of literal Nazis march up to your little hamlet, armed to the teeth, and politely ask you if they can just take all your food, there is absolutely no way you are saying no, threats or no threats. Because of the implication.
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:The New Zealand Government shipped vast quantities of vital papers out of Wellington during the Great War in case the city was attacked by a German warship. No records seem to have been kept of where all this stuff actually went. We found the Treaty of Waitangi, the country's founding document, about forty years later being used as a doorstop in a country courthouse and there are still law and history PhDs being issued today essentially on the basis of "I found a box of documents". With that and the Bob Semple tank, New Zealand's approach to WW2 seems to have been "we don't know what to do but by god we'll do something!"
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Feb 21, 2018 12:43
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GotLag posted:With that and the Bob Semple tank, New Zealand's approach to WW2 seems to have been "we don't know what to do but by god we'll do something!"  The Great War is usually used to mean WW1, especially in commonwealth countries
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Feb 21, 2018 13:01
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HEY GUNS posted:SRs (socialist republicans) They're not wrong, I saw that photo of Leather Daddy Trotsky
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Feb 21, 2018 13:10
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YEAH WELL WHAT WAS SO GREAT ABOUT IT?
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Feb 21, 2018 13:23
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It was great, terrible, pompous, and artificial
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Feb 21, 2018 13:34
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WW2 was greater  Any other Commonwealth pro-tips? GotLag fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Feb 21, 2018 14:44
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Jobbo_Fett posted:YEAH WELL WHAT WAS SO GREAT ABOUT IT? Fun fact: A literal (and somewhat liberal) translation of the Chinese phrase for "World War 2" is "Second Time Around World Big War."
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Feb 21, 2018 14:48
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Tomn posted:Fun fact: A literal (and somewhat liberal) translation of the Chinese phrase for "World War 2" is "Second Time Around World Big War." That's pretty great, actually.
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Feb 21, 2018 14:56
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I want one of those chinese news computer animations showing the history of ww2
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Feb 21, 2018 15:05
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Jobbo_Fett posted:YEAH WELL WHAT WAS SO GREAT ABOUT IT? Got Really Excited About Tanks
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Feb 21, 2018 15:06
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Tomn posted:Fun fact: A literal (and somewhat liberal) translation of the Chinese phrase for "World War 2" is "Second Time Around World Big War." How can a translation be both literal and liberal?
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Feb 21, 2018 15:20
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Geisladisk posted:Anyone read Panzer Gunner? I thought this guy's story was too interesting to pass up, so I picked it up. His parents were ethnic German Ukrainians, migrated to Canada where he was born, dad was a huge nazi, sent him to Germany by himself in 1939 when he was 15, drafted into the Wehrmacht in 1944, ends up being a Panzer IV and later Jagdpanzer IV gunner before returning to Canada in the 50s. That is weird enough to earn a look. OK, some different issues at work here. First off, if it's the one I'm thinking of (Stackpole books? Green cover with black borders and some kind of picture of a tank on the front?) you're into the kind of pulpy end of war memoirs. Those guys will publish pretty much any action filled war memoir. I don't know for a fact what their editorial process is, but it's a consistent enough thing that I wouldn't at all be surprised if the dude had an extra 50 or 100 pages of reflections on the other poo poo going on in his life that was edited down to make it more readable for the typical milhist enthusiast. That publisher targets the kind of reader who wants to read kick rear end WW2 stories, probably has a thing for the German armed forces (if it's the series I'm thinking of there is a gently caress off big iron cross as part of the cover art), and is choosing books to buy based on what he's seeing on the shelf in Barnes & Noble. So, just be aware of that. God knows i've read enough of those things in my time, but you have to be aware of what the market is and how that might have shaped the final form of what you've got. Another issue is one common to military memoirs and even just service member stories in general. Whether written or talking about the war with guys in a bar, recounting these kinds of things is a performative act. As such the people putting on the performance (i.e. the vets) will tune what they're saying to their audience. When your mother asks about the war you probably don't lead off with the time your best friend's brains got in your eyes or that other time you helped murder a village. By the same token the guys in the bar probably aren't interested in the maintenance headaches that your transmission posed or what kind of combined arms tactics you used with the local infantry. This comes into this kind of book because it's a tank memoir written (or edited with a view towards) people who want to read about tank combat. The author could just be emphasizing the parts he thinks people want to read about. You also have the issue that you're getting the view through one person's eyes, and if he's a gunner it's a rather narrow view indeed. His job was to be paying attention to slamming AP shells into tanks, not coordinating movements with local infantry or whatever else. It very well could be that a book written about the same actions by the commander of his vehicle would have a very different perspective, because that person is concentrated on a very different job. As far as war crimes etc goes that gets complicated but here's the short version: the dude could be sanitizing for telling a good story after the war. Most people don't want to talk about the horribly lovely things they did and then have to go into explaining why all that happened. The dude could also just be ignoring his own culpability in what was going on. The bit about how he never used overt threats of violence is kind of telling there. It's kind of like the guy who decides to go for a walk when a rape is happening. He's not participating, and he can still tell himself he's a good person and not a rapist, but all the rest of us can rightly ask why the gently caress he didn't do anything to try to stop it. German literature about wartime activities is rife with this problem. Is the author trying to cover up nasty poo poo he did or is he avoiding mentioning the poo poo that went on around him because it's traumatic and he really doesn't want to dig down deep into just what a poo poo hole the war really was while trying to tell his war story? Also the dude could just be an unrepentant Nazi or someone with a vested interest in the clean wehrmacht narrative. The dude's dad was a hard core enough Nazi to ship him off to Germany, alone, right before WW2? Chances are that the kid's political views weren't exactly super moderate either. Now, how much guilt you can hang on a 15 year old who gets fed nazi bullshit by his parents, teachers, etc is a long standing thing in German history circles, but at the very least you can understand why an older man writing a memoir might try to brush aside some of the awful poo poo that went on. Again, though, not impossible the dude's just an unrepentant nazi. ALSO, since he moved back to Canada, he's probably trying ot fit into the "soldier who did his duty" of all the vets of his generation who he's around up there, so there's some bleed over from that. tl;dr - it's complex.
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Feb 21, 2018 15:25
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Samuel Clemens posted:How can a translation be both literal and liberal? I took some slight liberties with the "second time around" part since I wasn't quite sure how to translate the individual characters (other than "two"). Also because I thought it'd be funnier. The rest is pretty much word for word unless you want to get picky about the literal meaning of the individual characters for "world".
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Feb 21, 2018 15:28
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Tomn posted:I took some slight liberties with the "second time around" part since I wasn't quite sure how to translate the individual characters (other than "two"). Also because I thought it'd be funnier. Its really hard to translate Chinese without either being overly flowery or going word for word and sounding like a caveman.
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Feb 21, 2018 15:43
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Tomn posted:I took some slight liberties with the "second time around" part since I wasn't quite sure how to translate the individual characters (other than "two"). Also because I thought it'd be funnier. 第二 - second 次 - time 世界 - world 大戰 - big/great war No idea how you stuck "around" in there. And it's impossible to properly translate Chinese without shifting word order around, so there really isn't any humor in "world big war".
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Feb 21, 2018 16:15
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GotLag posted:WW2 was greater Yes, but when people started calling it the Great War that one hadn't happened yet. I dunno, we do two minutes' silence on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month every year. I don't think America's ever made as much of a deal of its dead in WW1 since it lost so much smaller a proportion of its young men by percentage of population but it's still a pretty big thing over here.
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WWI was such a relatively smaller thing for Americans that after WWII Armistice Day was turned into Veterans Day to recognize everyone who served. Most US businesses don't even take the holiday off, though.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:39
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Also the U.S. had the massive bloodletting of the Civil War still in living memory during WW1. That was the war commemorated in a similar way to Britain remembers WW1.
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Trench_Rat posted:I want one of those chinese news computer animations showing the history of ww2 just play day of defeat and have someone yell the basic plot points at you in Mandarin. It'll basically fit up to and including the depiction of the battle of the bulge as primarily a sniper duel
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