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Sooo Ginger in a Pickle is bugged at the moment?
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Feb 21, 2018 14:13
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The game doesn't even have that much simulation in it, people were overracting about this aspect. There are some hand-picked elements that you have to take into consideration but they're only slightly more detailed than what is present in TW3 for example and you'll be getting rid of many of them with perks anyway. The game has more of a realistic edge to it but it's still more Oblivion than some survival-focused game like The Forest.
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Feb 21, 2018 14:43
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taels posted:
I think it makes a lot more sense when you notice they're promoting the fact that they have devs from the original Operation Flashpoint on board.
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Feb 21, 2018 14:51
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Alchenar posted:I think it makes a lot more sense when you notice they're promoting the fact that they have devs from the original Operation Flashpoint on board. along with tons of alt-righters
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Feb 21, 2018 15:14
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Themage posted:along with tons of alt-righters Just one ! the lead dev THough the more I see the more it sounds like he's on the "kinda dumb" end of the gamergate spectrum rather than the "militant nazi apologist" end -- most of his comments I've seen are more on the "stupid Social Justice Warriors being mean to my game!" or "My game is in Bohemia, so of course there wouldn't be black people!" lines, which strike me as more politically and historically ignorant than the deliberately malignant folks like Milo or whoever. Of course he may have said other poo poo I'm not aware of that's worse. I do think it's funny that his gamergatey fan base has gotten all angry at him because he stated he plans to include a playable female character DLC.
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Feb 21, 2018 15:22
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Just one ! the lead dev Didn't he consult with a historian about the presence of people of colour and the historians answer was basically "yes, that is correct for 1400s Bohemia"? So goes the stuff I have read at least.
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Feb 21, 2018 15:25
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evilmiera posted:Didn't he consult with a historian about the presence of people of colour and the historians answer was basically "yes, that is correct for 1400s Bohemia"? So goes the stuff I have read at least. It's one of those things that there's wiggle room in the historical record on to the point that "is it accurate?" is almost asking the wrong question. Bohemia was on a major trade route; there was trade with African and Asia; there are all sorts of historical incidents throughout European history where hired mercenaries from almost anywhere ended up somewhere in Europe. There have been items inscribed with muslim phrases found in viking graves and viking graffitti in Africa. So on, so forth. There's enough there that if the guy *wanted* to he could include a few people of color characters, maybe traders or even allied mercenaries, etc. Instead the overall game does have a kinda "raised eyebrow" dynamic where all the good people are white and all the bad people are scary and foreign. To be fair though the dev *can* make an argument that he's being historically accurate. Honestly I think part of it is that Varvra or whatever his name is is Czech and so he's coming into the Gamergate political debate as a partial outsider, from an Eastern Bloc country, where "left wing" and "right wing" have different connotations than they do here. The few times I've seen him get up on his political soapbox it's been mostly of the "My country survived socialism and it was bad, glorious free markets made my game possible" type stuff. Again though I haven't followed him all that closely apart from a few google searches so there could be worse stuff I've missed. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Feb 21, 2018 15:35
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The big army fights are surprisingly anticlimactic. All the mobs go after your npc allies so fighting mostly consists of going around the back and smacking dudes facing the wrong way in the head.
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Feb 21, 2018 15:39
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There's enough there that if the guy *wanted* to he could include a few people of color characters, maybe traders or even allied mercenaries, etc. Instead the overall game does have a kinda "raised eyebrow" dynamic where all the good people are white and all the bad people are scary and foreign. The only (implied) homosexuals are antagonists, too. Kinda weird.
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Feb 21, 2018 15:43
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No Pants posted:The only (implied) homosexuals are antagonists, too. Kinda weird. But enough about Hollywood.
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Feb 21, 2018 15:46
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No Pants posted:The only (implied) homosexuals are antagonists, too. Kinda weird. Yeah, and there's male gaze pretty heavily in the prologue and so forth. All told it's not good but I've played a bunch of games that were as bad or worse.
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Feb 21, 2018 15:47
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Upcoming patch notes say that they are going to be putting a Respec potion in, which is pretty cool. Definitely a couple perk choices that I regret.Gridlocked posted:Sooo Ginger in a Pickle is bugged at the moment? Looks like they hotfixed it in the patch today
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Feb 21, 2018 15:48
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What is the general opinion on warhammers?
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Feb 21, 2018 15:52
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Upcoming patch notes say that they are going to be putting a Respec potion in, which is pretty cool. Definitely a couple perk choices that I regret. Todays "Patch" was a rollback from 1.2.5 - which was patched yesterday - to 1.2.2
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Feb 21, 2018 15:54
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haldolium posted:Todays "Patch" was a rollback from 1.2.5 - which was patched yesterday - to 1.2.2 Well that's dumb
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Feb 21, 2018 16:09
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's one of those things that there's wiggle room in the historical record on to the point that "is it accurate?" is almost asking the wrong question. Bohemia was on a major trade route; there was trade with African and Asia; there are all sorts of historical incidents throughout European history where hired mercenaries from almost anywhere ended up somewhere in Europe. There have been items inscribed with muslim phrases found in viking graves and viking graffitti in Africa. So on, so forth. Looking at the game itself, I haven't really seen anything beyond stuff that is portrayed as obviously bad (beyond the whole serf thing and, well, that's accurate). I would say that the most obviously awful people are actually your racist neighbors who you can decide to help or not over the course of the game and they are always doing really lovely stuff (sometimes literally).The misogyny seems "realistic" in some cases, but not in others, in that it actually seems to be missing from a lot of interaction based on what I've read of the era. Though at the same time if they tried to replicate that you'd probably end up never meeting a woman without getting beat over the head for fraternizing. The racism portrayed seems like the sort of things that would actually exist at the time, especially if it is against the people currently setting entire villages on fire (Cumans). However, that does bring up a good point: I actually can't find records of Cumans being part of Sigismunds army in a big regular way. They were his subjects certainly, and I'd expect he'd be able to raise an army from them, but I can't find mention of them taking part in larger offensives during the 1400s. But then my searches haven't been that deep.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:09
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If the ingame Wikipedia is to be believed, women at that time in that part of the world had a lot more agency and rights than you would think.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:12
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Cumans would have just kinda been people already there afaik
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Feb 21, 2018 16:14
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, and there's male gaze pretty heavily in the prologue and so forth. Honestly I haven't had too much trouble with it, but some of the stuff - in particular, the buff you get from sleeping with women and taking the full "services" at the bath house - is a little on the nose and gross. There's no historical realism argument for why getting a handy makes me have +2 charisma so my only real interpretation is some weird issue of masculinity, here.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:14
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Not bathing makes you sexy
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Feb 21, 2018 16:16
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VanillaGorilla posted:Honestly I haven't had too much trouble with it, but some of the stuff - in particular, the buff you get from sleeping with women and taking the full "services" at the bath house - is a little on the nose and gross. There's no historical realism argument for why getting a handy makes me have +2 charisma so my only real interpretation is some weird issue of masculinity, here. Yeeeup. To be fair to him that wouldn't have even been remarked on ten years ago, t just would have been industry norm, but it isn't ten years ago.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:17
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, and there's male gaze pretty heavily in the prologue and so forth. Yeah, there was also the kind of silly situation where they'll happily throw a butt-naked woman at the player, but in another quest where the whole point is some dudes going bathing you have those guys sitting in the bathtub pretty much fully clothed. Where are my historically accurate bohemian dongs, Warhorse?! 
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Feb 21, 2018 16:18
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VanillaGorilla posted:Honestly I haven't had too much trouble with it, but some of the stuff - in particular, the buff you get from sleeping with women and taking the full "services" at the bath house - is a little on the nose and gross. There's no historical realism argument for why getting a handy makes me have +2 charisma so my only real interpretation is some weird issue of masculinity, here. I think the idea is that sleeping with a woman gives you a confidence/ego boost, but yeah, that and the "manly odor" perk (which might be a joke, honestly) are kinda  But like I said I was fully ready to hear a lot of terrible, gross misogyny and when it comes to that, it's not even on the level of like, Game of Thrones for crying out loud. corn in the bible posted:Not bathing makes you sexy i've known a lot of hippie girls who would agree with this 
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Feb 21, 2018 16:19
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precision posted:I think the idea is that sleeping with a woman gives you a confidence/ego boost, Not with my ex.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:23
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Re: male gaze gameplay, I have kind of avoided doing the courtship quest for that reason. Having a lady ride in and save your rear end repeatedly then going "I reward you with my dick" is kind of skeezy?
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Feb 21, 2018 16:32
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I'm from a former soviet (almost, but not quite) eastern bloc country that's culturally pretty close to czech. We're predominantly white and stuck up. These places have historically not had much diversity and roman catholic church had and still has a huge influence on the population. I think you'd honestly surprise a lot of authors here if you told them not including other races was racist as they are not a big part of our history or culture. Also, the terrain is gorgeous. I did some medieval sword fighting and lifestyle about 20 years ago and this game not only reminds me of the places here but how we'd gently caress around one of the castles in our pretend medieval clothes and have fun. So gently caress reshade and whatnot, the game already looks like my countryside.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:32
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They used to have more diversity than they do now actually
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Feb 21, 2018 16:37
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Even more relatively diverse places in western europe, like the UK, are something like 96% white today. While there's plenty of historical record to suggest people of colour weren't unheard of in medieval central europe, they were probably rare enough that you mightn't expect to see one throughout even vast swathes of the country. Now if it was on the mediterranean or in the balkans things might be somewhat different, but for central europe in the 15th century the lack of diversity's a bit of a weird complaint imo.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:39
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Re: male gaze gameplay, I have kind of avoided doing the courtship quest for that reason. Having a lady ride in and save your rear end repeatedly then going "I reward you with my dick" is kind of skeezy? I like that 1) you have an opportunity save her, but you don't really do much either way to help her, and 2) then she saves you in a very clear way. At least she's not a rescued princess. Overall the Theresa quest is written pretty well as far as I've taken it. It does seem to have the "sex happens we're done" video game issue though.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:40
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Ledenko posted:I It literally is your countryside, they used satellite scans to map the terrain.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:41
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I like that That's my only real big complaint about the game. You spend time courting women (or in the one case, essentially setting up an affair) and after sex NEITHER person mentions it again or any other kind of relationship. I guess Henry is just so bad at it both partners decide never to speak of it. Edit: I mean, you keep your former betrothed's ring in your inventory. What's to stop you from marrying again? Especially once you come into your lord's service? Edit 2: With all the weird costumes Henry gets into over the course of the game, now I'm imagining him with a golden medallion and a Leisure suit after all his screwups with ladies. Edit 3 (phew):: vv Funnily enough, they mention jews and how they were treated during the era, but I don't think you ever meet one in the game, or hear about them, ever. They get cursed out (well, usurers get cursed out, but you know) but beyond the cumans, a few germans and possibly polish fellows there's not much else going on. evilmiera fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Feb 21, 2018 16:44
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TomViolence posted:Even more relatively diverse places in western europe, like the UK, are something like 96% white today. While there's plenty of historical record to suggest people of colour weren't unheard of in medieval central europe, they were probably rare enough that you mightn't expect to see one throughout even vast swathes of the country. There's more diversity than Needs Black People though, like you can't pretend there wouldn't be Roma and so on
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Feb 21, 2018 16:45
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evilmiera posted:That's my only real big complaint about the game. You spend time courting women (or in the one case, essentially setting up an affair) and after sex NEITHER person mentions it again or any other kind of relationship. My *hope* is that there was more planned there that got cut. Maybe Theresa was the intended female PC DLC character.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:45
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No Pants posted:The only (implied) homosexuals are antagonists, too. Kinda weird. One of the monestary novices is gay
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Feb 21, 2018 16:46
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It literally is your countryside, they used satellite scans to map the terrain. I know, I'm just saying they made a drat fine job putting it in a game and made it very realistic. It's easy to mess up colors and whatnot but in this game it feels just right.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:47
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So how does binding/clinch attack actually work? I assume that the "special attack" button initiates it but once the animation starts do you spam left mouse button or keep hitting special attack? Is the outcome RNG based on stats or is there a way to win it with player input?
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Feb 21, 2018 16:54
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This has about the same level of jank as I would find in a Bethesda game, and I've played enough of those that I just find it second nature at this point. Actually, I've probably had LESS weird things happen to me playing this game. Also, jumping on top of the pile to say I wish there was just... anything after the courtship quest.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:55
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Unzip and Attack posted:So how does binding/clinch attack actually work? I assume that the "special attack" button initiates it but once the animation starts do you spam left mouse button or keep hitting special attack? Is the outcome RNG based on stats or is there a way to win it with player input? I haven't managed to confirm this but I suspect it's random, that your stats play a role, and that which attack key you spam during the clinch effects which clinch result happens if you win.
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Feb 21, 2018 16:57
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corn in the bible posted:There's more diversity than Needs Black People though, like you can't pretend there wouldn't be Roma and so on yeah that's a fair point
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Feb 21, 2018 16:58
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evilmiera posted:I guess Henry is just so bad at it both partners decide never to speak of it.
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Feb 21, 2018 17:00
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