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alex314
Nov 22, 2007

I just want to recognize characters from that crazy Koei games.

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Is Rome II good? Didn't really like Attilla since once you get over the initial hurdles (which to be fair are interesting) it just turns paint your map again, the factions are boring and the rosters stay basically the same the whole way through. I like Shogun because it's more of a tight race to the finish the whole game through and Warhammer just because the rosters are cool (which also means MP is good)

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

Rome 2 is pretty much fine nowadays, especially with the updated diplomatic options they added last year.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

StashAugustine posted:

Is Rome II good? Didn't really like Attilla since once you get over the initial hurdles (which to be fair are interesting) it just turns paint your map again, the factions are boring and the rosters stay basically the same the whole way through. I like Shogun because it's more of a tight race to the finish the whole game through and Warhammer just because the rosters are cool (which also means MP is good)

It seems that people who didn't like Attila liked Rome 2, and vice versa. I'm a weirdo who liked both, and liked different things about each.

Based on the things you say you liked/disliked in other games, Rome 2 doesn't sound like a great fit for you.
In my opinion:
The rosters are just straight upgrades of everything. Spear dude becomes better spear dude. Sword dude becomes better sword dude. Attila's brutal unit upkeep keep constraints on your army size and composition, but in Rome 2 your dominant strategy is to just fill a stack with the highest quality stuff and then steamroll the AI with their chaff armies. This is especially noticeable if you play as rome, because they start with a good heavy infantry (Hastati) and real quickly get access to Legions which are super good. Heavy sword infantry just chews through everything.
The factions are kinda neat, but there's not a big variety within archetypes. One Greek state faction is going to be pretty much the same as another (hope you like spears!)

I am a big evangelist of the campaign packs in Rome 2. They're really great, tight little mini campaigns that keep up the challenge throughout. Caesar in Gaul and Hannibal at the Gates are real fun.

Theswarms
Dec 20, 2005

Tomn posted:

If the spergy historical mods for Three Kingdoms on TWC uses Wades-Giles because it "feels older" I'm gonna be so mad, you guys.

So mad.

I demand that ridiculous translation with the double-barrelled western names (that I can't find).

blindwoozie
Mar 1, 2008

Me seeing the new Rome 2 DLC: cool, these factions don't ever see the spotlight and the Empire of Sand DLC for Attila was a really great DLC.


Total War players seeing the new Rome 2 DLC: divide et impera already did this, gently caress u ca money grab, unhistorical tank top chainmail, who cares about boring tribes people!!!!!

Mans
Sep 14, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
So many people complaining about CA making DLC for a dead game and at the same time breaking mods that everyone is using.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

MilitantBlackGuy posted:

Me seeing the new Rome 2 DLC: cool, these factions don't ever see the spotlight and the Empire of Sand DLC for Attila was a really great DLC.


Total War players seeing the new Rome 2 DLC: divide et impera already did this, gently caress u ca money grab, unhistorical tank top chainmail, who cares about boring tribes people!!!!!

it is a simlme fact that women did bit have lower in an ient world ca. More typical sjw pandering instead of histroical accuarxy. Never match flory of eb

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
I don't want to play as Pontus.

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


What CA needs to make is Pontus: Total Pontus, the game where you only play as Pontus

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I'm hankering for some good Attila mods, specifically some for Age of Charlemagne. Any recommendations from the workshop? I'm seeing Sebidee's Unit Roster Overhaul.

Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Feb 21, 2018

Washin Tong
Feb 16, 2011

canyoneer posted:

The factions are kinda neat, but there's not a big variety within archetypes. One Greek state faction is going to be pretty much the same as another (hope you like spears!)
This is only true for a small part of the Greek factions really, like Athens and Sparta, which admittedly are super boring.

The Seleucids for example have one of the most varied rosters in the game, right behind Rome. You get greek phalanxes and skirmishers, sure, but you can also field good swords, chariots, elephants, cavalry, camels, etc. Pontus and Egypt get a pretty decent roster as well. Epirus gets special doggos, War Elephants from the start and the burning hatred of the entire world falling upon you from turn 1. The Black Sea colonies get to play with a mix of horse archers which is alright I guess. Baktria gets a successor+eastern mix. And I think that's about it.

I mean, we're not talking TW:W level of variety here but for a historical title it's pretty alright after all the content updates. Install an Auxiliaries for Everyone mod and you basically get even more possibilities.

As for the other culture groups, eastern kingdoms are good, barbarians can be pretty samey though, aside from some specific gimmicks like chariots for the Iceni or the ninja spaniards.

Oh, and the nomadic tribes are the loving worst. Don't even bother.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Epirus is my favourite total war faction and everyone should play as them. Also, their roster rules. Especially in DeI with all the regional recruit units, you’re basically mediterranean seleucids. Solid pike blocks, spears, and skirmishers from Epirus proper, then spartans, italian faux-legions, syracusan crossbows, cretan and rhodian missile troops, spaniards, gauls, companion cav for the charge, numidians and tarentines for javelin murder. It is the roster of all rosters. And it’s very rewarding because beating Rome at the start is pretty difficult, and from there you’ve still got Carthage and Macedon hating your guts.

Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Feb 22, 2018

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Theswarms posted:

I demand that ridiculous translation with the double-barrelled western names (that I can't find).

It came up earlier: http://www.e-reading.club/book.php?book=93594

blindwoozie
Mar 1, 2008

Epirus was my first Rome 2 campaign because I was super pumped to have Pyrrhus and a unit of War Elephants to start. I was ready for glory and Roman blood, but then I spent the next 30 turns getting creamed by the entirety of Greece and restarted the campaign like 7 times, decreasing the difficulty even, before giving up.

Good times, Epirus.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I also remember really hating the building system in Attila, so I'll probably wait for a free weekend or deep discount

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Also this is a super specific thing but does anyone know if theres a shogun 2 mod that makes it so the autoresolve doesnt destroy castles in super one sided sieges

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

quote:

Emperor Henson paid no heed to the good people of his court, but gave his confidence to the Palace eunuchs. He lived and died, leaving the scepter to Emperor Bonner, whose advisers were Regent Marshal Hood-Dickson and Imperial Guardian Derrick-Kane

What the ever-loving gently caress is this?

lurksion
Mar 21, 2013

Tomn posted:

What the ever-loving gently caress is this?
Some unknown person went and did a find and replace of this older translation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
https://www.amazon.com/Romance-Three-Kingdoms-Luo-Guanzhong/dp/1517191270

At first I had misattributed to someone actually putting effort into a joke rewrite of a more modern translation, but the above is a better fit and makes more sense :effort:

lurksion fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Feb 22, 2018

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I do love how the faction screen in Attila let's you assassinate generals and governors you don't like. King Widukind turned into a crazy tyrannical Medieval 2 faction leader so I deposed him with his adopted heir and then had him eliminated.
I hope thrones of brittania streamlines the faction screen a little bit because there were so many options that all amounted to a confusing mess while trying to grab as much control as possible.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
Was Epirus really public enemy number one during that time period? Felt kinda odd having everyone hate your guts for some reason in that start.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Phyrrus was the Frederick the Great of the age. He was a skilled general who took a backwater nation and gave it an advanced military and was able to play on the main stage with all the other powers. The Romans had to beat him by grinding him down with their superior economy and manpower as they could never achieve a conclusive battle against him.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Though he was a terrible strategist who never really accomplished anything because of how bad he was at it.

Good commander tho.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
Oh yeah, I know about Phyrrus's military exploits, but I just wondered if he was such a particular bastard or whatever that Epirus starts off being hated by drat near everyone.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Chomp8645 posted:

I don't want to play as Pontus.

Man somebody with money and patience should wait until TWC's domain is up for sale, buy it out and turn it a flash FACTS ABOUT PONTUS website for the ultimate post mortem sick burn.

Theswarms
Dec 20, 2005

Thank you, it's wonderfully terrible.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

toasterwarrior posted:

Oh yeah, I know about Phyrrus's military exploits, but I just wondered if he was such a particular bastard or whatever that Epirus starts off being hated by drat near everyone.

A lot of times the locals ended up hating him for getting them stuck in foreverwars, so then he'd just hop across the sea to one of his other stomping grounds and try another ill-defined campaign. Then of course Rome hates him for invading their sphere, Carthage hates him for invading their sphere, Macedonia hates him for trying out the whole "King of Macedonia" thing, and the greek cities, his last potential friend, hate him because boy howdy he tries conquering various cities down there too. Then an old lady throws a roof tile at him and clocks him dead.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Epirus is my favourite total war faction and everyone should play as them. Also, their roster rules. Especially in DeI with all the regional recruit units, you’re basically mediterranean seleucids. Solid pike blocks, spears, and skirmishers from Epirus proper, then spartans, italian faux-legions, syracusan crossbows, cretan and rhodian missile troops, spaniards, gauls, companion cav for the charge, numidians and tarentines for javelin murder. It is the roster of all rosters. And it’s very rewarding because beating Rome at the start is pretty difficult, and from there you’ve still got Carthage and Macedon hating your guts.

I love DeI but haaate regional recruitment, it just feels like tedious micro.

DiHK
Feb 4, 2013

by Azathoth
Is this thread ignoring TW:Arena?

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
After playing the beta, I know I am ignoring it.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Then an old lady throws a roof tile at him and clocks him dead.

The Roman way of reminding victorious generals they were only mortal sounds far more pleasant than this :ohdear:

Edit: Though now I remember that Saturnius got pummelled to death with roof tiles.

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Feb 22, 2018

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Beamed posted:

I love DeI but haaate regional recruitment, it just feels like tedious micro.

I can see that, it really depends on how exacting you want to be with army comp. If I'm already recruiting in an area with cool units I get some, but I'm not having generals prance around the map ferrying units from far-off areas.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

so is dei worth playing because i dig regional recruitment but am not a fan of overly spergy mods

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

I had fun with it, makes progress slower, since you need more time to add province to your empire. You get to pick the level of integration. Just get a "faster battles" mod, otherwise they take A LONG time.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Yeah, it's spergier than the base game but it's not full-on madness like the classic rome/medieval sperg mods of yore.

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp
There's also a bunch of submods for DeI and submods for those submods and if you're willing to bloat your install size by 6 or 7 times you can custom tailor it to exactly the amount of spergin you want in only the places you want it.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
You know what I don't get about TWC among many things is the utter unhelpful nature and bad organization of the sub-forums of bigger mod projects. Want to find information about the mod? sub mods and what they do? the last time they updated or patched?

Tough poo poo, enjoy browsing and trying to parse what you are seeking. And no, the mod isn't on Mod DB or anywhere outside TWC.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLS6faCrHQc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE46BWFTBLE

Really up for Thrones of Britannia. It looks extremely My poo poo in every video.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
It seems to be sort of like the modern TW successor of the Viking Expansion of Medieval 1 with the neat focus of Kingdoms and quality of life/new improvements. I am pumped for it myself.

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toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
Got this theory in my head that CA learned a lot about movie cinematography from getting details obsessively right in Alien Isolation, because that Gaelic trailer is loving badass.

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