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I ride bikes all day posted:SK/Pally or Rogue was pretty much what I was thinking. I have my bard up to 25 now, but I just don't see it bringing a lot of value to that class makeup. Stacking haste and battle songs are kinda wasted for 1 melee, and while clarity song is great, it just doesn't make up for the awful DPS. For Rogue you *always* want the highest damage *piercing* weapon you can manage in your main hand full stop, no matter the delay. Backstab has to be done with a piercing weapon and the damage is keyed off of the mainhand damage.It isn't normalized to weapon speed like WoW and beyond. From highest price suggestion to lowest: Crystalline Spear ~650pp (13!!! damage, 30 Delay, one of the better backstabbers before raid gear) Jade Chokidai Prod ~400pp (11 damage, 30 delay. +3 stamina gives you a bit more HP but the +6 wis doesn't really do anything for you unless you're tradeskilling) Fang of the Garou - This one I don't know how much it goes for (9 damage, 28 delay, procs Lifespike for a little bit of healing, probably won't help too much) Serrated Bone Dirk >100pp (8 damage, 27 delay, proc effect of engulfing darkness, which is pretty useful) Gloomwater Harpoon ~75pp (9 damage, 31 delay, +4 str +25 hp at the cost of a slower delay than the other 9 damage options) Jagged Chokadai Spine ~50pp (9 damage, 25 delay, +5dex) Scorpikis Claw Impaler ~50pp (8 damage, 25 delay, +4str, +10 sv poison, Poison proc) Offhand choice doesn't matter nearly as much. You can use blunt or slashing weapons here if you really want or if there's a proc you want to exploit, but generally just go with something that generally matches speed (or is a little bit faster) than your mainhand. If you start cheap, go with the Spine (or fang of the garou if you find it cheap) and Bone Dirk or Scorpikis and that should carry you really well. As far as race goes, start halfling. They start with innate sneak and hide so you don't have to worry about skilling it up as much in the initial levels, they get high innate dex and agi, wear small armor for lighter weight, and they require a lot less exp to level up at the expense that they eat faster. Halfling racial tradeskills are kind of poo poo, but nobody's racial tradeskilling is honestly worthwhile for a rogue. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Gnomes can see through zone walls, even if their stats are low at creation. Dwarves are popular rogue choices, and their running jump animation is a barrel roll. The female dwarves have beards. Halflings faces are great, in a "My Van has Candy" sort-of-way.
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I ride bikes all day posted:SK/Pally or Rogue was pretty much what I was thinking. I have my bard up to 25 now, but I just don't see it bringing a lot of value to that class makeup. Stacking haste and battle songs are kinda wasted for 1 melee, and while clarity song is great, it just doesn't make up for the awful DPS. Best budget rogue piercer: Thunder Runed War Spear 13/30 5ac 25hp 5mr - 500p (note: can put in range when you upgrade) Best twink rogue piercers if you can afford: Small Dragonbone Shard 13/26 - 1k (small races only) Frozen Shard 13/26 - 1k (has proc but not active until 44) For offhand and haste, if you can afford it I highly suggest: Velium Swiftblade 5/24 36% haste - 2k (offhand won't do much damage at lower levels, but that high end haste will speed up your main piercer and backstab refresh) Gearwise you want to focus on str and hp for rogue. Also, don't fret about your bard! They excel in twisting/mixing up song effects on the fly depending on the situation. You're two levels away from charming, which is awesome in groups both as cc and dps. Anarch fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Pillow Armadillo posted:First point is what every bard says before that Mana Regen song kicks in. Between Mana song and Selo's, You're already extremely useful in groups. Agreed. Not just useful, but pretty much required for some raids unless everybody is already super-geared.. They usually get to pull the dragon, and provide critical resists for groups. Gotta have em.
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DeathSandwich posted:Words The only race to go for rogue is barb. The high innate strength/stam trumps any innate skills because you level them up as you go, and it’s harder to cap that stuff out with leveling gear than it is to level sneak/hide while you sit around LFG/waiting for pulls. The only downfall is your starting area but you get a port to EC bind in FP and you’re good to go. Stats > everything, always. You can only gain stats from gear after you put your default points in. Strength is the only stat that really matters for Backstabs. iNteg fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Feb 21, 2018 18:04
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iNteg posted:The only race to go for rogue is barb. The high innate strength/stam trumps any innate skills because you level them up as you go, and it’s harder to cap that stuff out with leveling gear than it is to level sneak/hide while you sit around LFG/waiting for pulls. The only downfall is your starting area but you get a port to EC bind in FP and you’re good to go. But there is no stat for gnomish sex-appeal.
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wazu posted:But there is no stat for gnomish sex-appeal. Get you a mask of tinkering 
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iNteg posted:The only race to go for rogue is barb. The high innate strength/stam trumps any innate skills because you level them up as you go, and it’s harder to cap that stuff out with leveling gear than it is to level sneak/hide while you sit around LFG/waiting for pulls. The only downfall is your starting area but you get a port to EC bind in FP and you’re good to go. gently caress barbarians. By the time you get in spitting distance of endgame you're going to have so much strength anyways and have capped strength with buffs. Take the exp bonus and the ease of navigating dungeons and make your life better.
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Stat-wise for rogues you need to ignore the dex/agi suggestion and go str/sta. Str is top priority because that has a direct effect on your damage. Yes, you can easily reach 200+ str in gear and 255 with buffs, but the faster you reach that the more hp/resist/sta gear you can wear. Dex helps with procs (but most procs draw aggro which you don't want) and agi is mostly a concern if you drop below 75 (and all rogues start with at least 80 agi), so you can largely ignore those stats. For starting stat allocation, str is better if you're untwinked or a laughably weak race (like halfling or gnome). However, sta might be a better use of starting stats (especially if you're barb or dwarf) because it's harder to max sta, however you won't see returns immediately. My personal ranking for rogue races: 1. Dwarf - 2nd best in melee stats (str/sta), +5 mr, infravision, barrel roll. 2. Barbarian - 1st best in melee stats (str/sta), nightblind, polar bear hat. 3. Halfling - 4th best in melee stats (str/sta), infravision, exp bonus, furry feet. 4. Gnome - tied for 6th best in melee stats (str/sta), infravision, wallhack vision, cool factor (can wear skyshrine robe, velious watchman helm, etc). 5. Anything else - no, just no. Anarch fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Haven't played much of Velious before, but rogues can still get the dark elf mask right? That was the reason I always went barb.
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Anarch posted:Stat-wise for rogues you need to ignore the dex/agi suggestion and go str/sta. Str is top priority because that has a direct effect on your damage. Yes, you can easily reach 200+ str in gear and 255 with buffs, but the faster you reach that the more hp/resist/sta gear you can wear. Dex helps with procs (but most procs draw aggro which you don't want) and agi is mostly a concern if you drop below 75 (and all rogues start with at least 80 agi), so you can largely ignore those stats. I agree, though I’ll take barb over dwarf because you get illusion masks that change the night blindness and your overall size
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Nightvision doesn't matter on P1999 anyway, as they adjusted brightness on most zones so you can see in the dark just fine. Never once had to use my infravision spell as a Barbarian
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Dustoph posted:Haven't played much of Velious before, but rogues can still get the dark elf mask right? That was the reason I always went barb. This is correct. Super easy camp to babysit while the Light Burlap sacks, Mask of Deceptions drop (or don't drop). Racial choices are a red herring argument anyway? Want to be unique - pick whatever you want and choose a deity that sounds cool. Some choice options: Dark elf (Innoruuk) - Reaper of the Dead (instant cast 1 charge complete heal, quest item) Barbarian (Tribunal) - Icebelt
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Thanks guys. How far do I have to run to get out of Permafrost? Only times I ever went to that zone back in Live was for Vox raids.
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Night vision has to be one of the most terrible ideas in all of EQ Classic. I remember as a noob I created an Erudite necro and didn’t know what was wrong with my screen. My only experience had been playing an ogre, so didn’t even comprehend using a lantern. Don’t remember how I figured it out but think it involved begging people in zone for help.
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wazu posted:Night vision has to be one of the most terrible ideas in all of EQ Classic. I remember as a noob I created an Erudite necro and didn’t know what was wrong with my screen. My only experience had been playing an ogre, so didn’t even comprehend using a lantern. Don’t remember how I figured it out but think it involved begging people in zone for help. Night vision was a bad idea - the operation of the actual Blind spell was the most terrible of ideas. I can only imagine how many people closed their client because they thought it had crashed.
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I ride bikes all day posted:Night vision was a bad idea - the operation of the actual Blind spell was the most terrible of ideas. I can only imagine how many people closed their client because they thought it had crashed. I did this in 2000(?) several times when the the first Race PVP server came up. People would blind+fear you.
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The worst is whirl to you hurl. It literally makes me nauseous (even on modern client).
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xZAOx posted:The worst is whirl to you hurl. It literally makes me nauseous (even on modern client). There's a dragon in NToV with this as an AE. Can't recall the name, just remember that whenever it happened I lost 20 seconds of DPS to being turned the wrong way plus massive client lag.
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xZAOx posted:The worst is whirl to you hurl. It literally makes me nauseous (even on modern client). Gravity Flux is fun too.
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6:30pm PAST Dalnir stomp tonight. Loot up for grabs on a need before greed basis. Level 20+ recommended, level 12 minimum if you can invis or feign death and don't mind a 5% risk of dieing in a spectacular dungeon.
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Pillow Armadillo posted:6:30pm PAST Dalnir stomp tonight. Loot up for grabs on a need before greed basis. Is this just to gear characters or is this for exp or...?
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I ride bikes all day posted:Night vision was a bad idea - the operation of the actual Blind spell was the most terrible of ideas. I can only imagine how many people closed their client because they thought it had crashed. I remember in Luclin there were a ton of Blinding centipedes close to zone lines in some of the best mid level zones. gently caress those guys. [quote="“Pillow Armadillo”" post="“481515851”"] 6:30pm PAST Dalnir stomp tonight. Loot up for grabs on a need before greed basis. Level 20+ recommended, level 12 minimum if you can invis or feign death and don’t mind a 5% risk of dieing in a spectacular dungeon. [/quote] Damnit! I’m going to miss this one. Thanks grad school.
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DisgracelandUSA posted:Is this just to gear characters or is this for exp or...? Just to gear characters and scout a potential exp zone for Iksars/Kunark levelers at a later date. There are exp opportunities, if you can roam freely in the Firiona Vie Outpost and want to collect one or two stacks of Canines that will be rotting left and right. They've stackable and weightless. If time permits, I can escort folks towards the Grachnist camp (+FV,+CabilisTrooper faction) or the giant fort (exp/forest loops) Pillow Armadillo fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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I ride bikes all day posted:There's a dragon in NToV with this as an AE. Can't recall the name, just remember that whenever it happened I lost 20 seconds of DPS to being turned the wrong way plus massive client lag. Lady Nev. Worst fight in the game, esp on Phinny where our first kill took like 45 minutes due to motm.
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Where we're going, you won't need inner ears.   Whirl Til You Hurl is something scrub casters have only heard about and are so shook they'll Dodge endgame raids to avoid the experience. Don't get the hype? Magi Curse is a decent parallel experience and a 10 minute run from Iceclad rings. It gets so much worse than that. Pillow Armadillo fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Pillow Armadillo posted:Whirl Til You Hurl is something Whirl was complete LOL before Kunark dropped and it got nerfed. It was a single target perma stun basically. Could just stand there and let your animation/charm whack the mob down.
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Thanks to those who came out to Dalnir last night. Had a full guild group between 15-23 (Dalnir) and a couple vets pop onto the Blue server to see what the Kly Overseer had to offer. Saw Jainis, an inactive BDA ranger log on his epic cleric to assist in a total fumigation on the Kly and corrupted gnomes in this dungeon. Loot from named mobs was sparse during the full clear, but special props to the level 15 willing to pull the boss blocking the teleporter exit. I knew that AoE ice spell would kill someone, I wasn't expecting us to still be there chatting on the repop for an instant replay 14 minutes later. Thanks for the assist on rides, Mauzer. Let's do this again.
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xZAOx posted:Lady Nev. Worst fight in the game, esp on Phinny where our first kill took like 45 minutes due to motm. I think I just stood out of range and shot arrows for my entire run of killing that boss.
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iNteg posted:I think I just stood out of range and shot arrows for my entire run of killing that boss. Later on I started being able to stand with the casters just playing AE mana song which was so much better.
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Pillow Armadillo posted:Thanks to those who came out to Dalnir last night. Had a full guild group between 15-23 (Dalnir) and a couple vets pop onto the Blue server to see what the Kly Overseer had to offer. Awesome. I'd really like to do some stuff like this - I assume EQ has a few other similar dungeon type areas we could clear? Edmund the level 26 Shaman has spent a ton of time in like three places and I'd enjoy some exploration.
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Cazic-Thule (Antonica) Crystal Caverns (Velious) Highkeep (Antonica) Mines of Nurga (Kunark) Runnyeye Citadel (Antonica) Solusek's Eye (Antonica) Steamfont Montain Minotaur Caves (Faydwer) Swamp of No Hope (Kunark) Upper Guk (Antonica) All solid exp dungeons with loot potential. Keep in mind power creep into later expansions meant monsters generally have more hitpoints and take longer to kill, meaning old world dungeons are usually the most efficient places to group.
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Guk is also another interesting dungeon outside of the 3-4 things that are on permanent camped status. The Warrens is a lot of fun for ~10 lowbie types and The Hole is worth experiencing once you get 40 or so. There are a lot of dungeons where it's just kind of criminal how little use it gets outside of the Crushbone -> Unrest -> Mistmoore/CoM grind.
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Pillow Armadillo posted:Cazic-Thule (Antonica) Howling Stone. Najena. Tower of Frozen Shadow.
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I ride bikes all day posted:Howling Stone. Najena. Tower of Frozen Shadow. Got a tracker for keys, Trakanon named cycle would be some gross upgrades into level 50. This is a level 40 quest and time would be better spent gearing up new players while they get into the mid-20s. Najena is a fun key cycle, and there's a unique fight in the Rathyl room that I can lead a group on. 23 cleric LFG. I have a Master Key to Tower of Frozen Shadow, and will take any level 25+ on a tour on Skullmonkey or Hoborg. I usually get bored by Vhal Sera, so I'd split floors 1-6 and floor 7 for separate adventures.
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Notwithstanding the cooperative effort and general success of Unknown Guild in recent weeks, I want to give plenty of notice that the server, for me, has always been most satisfying through shared experiences with digital strangers. That being said, I recognize while this three year-old thread for an emulated game I've played for years has been full of fun, I want to warn new players that, by design, EverQuest is meant to encourage escape and compulsive gaming. That is the classic design element that the p99 coding team has imitated or preserved forever, free from a monthly subscription fee. tl;dr As a gesture of good faith, I've decided to spread as much of my droppable armor, weapons and account as possible to players I run into who bring a BYOB mentality to the server when I uninstall this summer. Don't treat the game like a rat race and play for however little or long as you'd like.
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I’m going to get on in an hour or so. Will anyone be available to give me guild invite, tonight? Druid so I can probably port and run to you.
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Pillow Armadillo posted:Thanks to those who came out to Dalnir last night. Had a full guild group between 15-23 (Dalnir) and a couple vets pop onto the Blue server to see what the Kly Overseer had to offer. I had a good time. The epic rez stick turned the deaths from frustrating to amusing. Thanks again for bringing us lowbies along.
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Pillow Armadillo posted:Got a tracker for keys, Trakanon named cycle would be some gross upgrades into level 50. This is a level 40 quest and time would be better spent gearing up new players while they get into the mid-20s. If you get bored enough, I have a baby enchanter that would love a robe from the boss on 7th floor of tower of frozen shadow. Can help camp with 60 warrior or bard, or 58 cleric. Also willing to help newbies get their feet wet with gear/spell money. Post here with names, I’m not usually on my higher level guys due to sever alt-it is.
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Pillow Armadillo posted:Notwithstanding the cooperative effort and general success of Unknown Guild in recent weeks, I want to give plenty of notice that the server, for me, has always been most satisfying through shared experiences with digital strangers. If you want to set something up on Saturday I'd be down to come assist on my 60 ench anywhere anytime.
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