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Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Cerebral Bore posted:

Maybe not handled the fallout from the hacks in the worst possible fashion? I'd also like to see the full quote, though.

Perhaps but I don't see how that relates to the first part about Russian bots. It seems like a bad paraphrase really, or like he said something weird because he wasn't working from a script.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:06

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 15:14

Elephant Ambush: Nov 13, 2012; ...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?; Nap Ghost

readingatwork posted:

I like that the youths of today are getting off their asses and trying to make positive change in the world. Their inevitable failure and subsequent disillusionment will lay the groundwork for an incredibly angry generation of socialists.

Boy I sure can't wait for another 20 years of reading "lol nothing matters gently caress everything" on these forums. That always helps to improve things and doesn't get old at all.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:12

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

https://twitter.com/RealBankReform/status/962039590906347520

With some extra input from over yonder:

axeil posted:

*sigh*

As a former bank regulator/guy who wrote Dodd-Frank regulatory policy let's take a look.

quote:
The bill would allow hundreds of smaller banks to avoid certain elements of federal oversight, including stress tests, which measure a bank�s ability to withstand a severe economic downturn. Under current law, banks with assets of $50 billion or more are considered �systemically important financial institutions� and therefore governed by stricter rules. The bill would raise that threshold to institutions with assets of $250 billion or more, leaving fewer than 10 big banks in the United States subject to the stricter oversight.

Here's a list of all those banks per the FRB (https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/lbr/current/):

1 JPMORGAN CHASE BK NA/JPMORGAN CHASE & CO
2 WELLS FARGO BK NA/WELLS FARGO & CO
3 BANK OF AMER NA/BANK OF AMER CORP
4 CITIBANK NA/CITIGROUP
5 U S BK NA/U S BC
6 PNC BK NA/PNC FNCL SVC GROUP
7 CAPITAL ONE NA/CAPITAL ONE FC
8 T D BK NA/TD GRP US HOLDS LLC
9 BANK OF NY MELLON/BANK OF NY MELLON CORP
10 STATE STREET B&TC/STATE STREET CORP
11 BRANCH BKG&TC/BB&T CORP
12 SUNTRUST BK/SUNTRUST BK
13 HSBC BK USA NA/HSBC N AMER HOLDS
14 GOLDMAN SACHS BK USA/GOLDMAN SACHS GROUP THE
15 FIFTH THIRD BK/FIFTH THIRD BC
16 CHASE BK USA NA/JPMORGAN CHASE & CO
17 KEYBANK NA/KEYCORP
18 NORTHERN TC/NORTHERN TR CORP
19 ALLY BK/ALLY FNCL
20 MORGAN STANLEY BK NA/MORGAN STANLEY
21 REGIONS BK/REGIONS FC
22 CITIZENS BK NA/CITIZENS FNCL GRP
23 MANUFACTURERS & TRADERS TC/M&T BK CORP
24 MUFG UNION BK NA/MUFG AMERS HOLDS CORP
25 CAPITAL ONE BK USA NA/CAPITAL ONE FC
26 BMO HARRIS BK NA/BMO FNCL CORP
27 HUNTINGTON NB/HUNTINGTON BSHRS
28 DISCOVER BK/DISCOVER FS
29 BANK OF THE WEST/BNP PARIBAS USA
30 COMPASS BK/BBVA COMPASS BSHRS
31 FIRST REPUBLIC BK/
32 SANTANDER BK NA/SANTANDER HOLDS USA
33 COMERICA BK/COMERICA
34 ZB NA/ZIONS BC
35 MORGAN STANLEY PRIV BK NA/MORGAN STANLEY

This proposal would remove SIFI status from everyone from TD down which is insane as you lose the 2 processing banks, the 2 ex-investment banks (Goldman + Morgan Stanley), and extremely large regional banks (Suntrust, Bank of the West, M&T, etc.).

This is not a wise idea.

What else is here?

quote:
Some industry lobbyists have pointed out that rules ushered in after the financial crisis have in some ways been beneficial for the big banks, acting as a barrier to entry for any bank without the resources to handle the additional compliance costs.

This is true! You should've seen some of the garbage I got from the smaller banks when they became subject to additional rules. Still don't think it warrants removing them from the extra scrutiny list though.

quote:
Under the bill, firms with less than $10 billion in assets would be exempt from the so-called Volcker Rule, which prohibits banks from making risky bets with federally-guaranteed deposits. Mortgage rules for small lenders would also be eased.

Eh. This is fine as the firms under $10B in assets are minnows and aren't likely sophisticated enough to have these sorts of trading desks. Disagree mightily on easing mortgage rules for small lenders though.

quote:
Efforts to loosen Wall Street regulations are already underway, even without legislation. The Office of Financial Research, which is supposed to spot red flags on Wall Street, lost its director last month and the Treasury Department is seeking to reduce its funding and staff. The Treasury Department has also issued a series of reports recommending changes to a number of other post-crisis rules, including rescinding a requirement that companies disclose the pay ratio between chief executives and workers.

OFR's main job is research and aren't really meant to act as a regulator so this isn't as worrying as the article makes it seem. The other stuff is worrying though.

Not much else jumped out at me. So in summary you have 1 or 2 ideas that aren't going to do too much and a whole lot that are dumb, naive, giveaways or all of the above. This is terrible and no one should be in favor of it.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:14

The Little Kielbasa: Mar 29, 2001; and another thing: im not mad. please dont put in the newspaper that i got mad.

The least-insane conservative columnist at the NYT (and I know that's not saying much) has a pretty reasonable take on Russiagate as it currently stands:

quote:

ROSS DOUTHAT

The Trolling of the American Mind
Feb. 21, 2018

There are two Russian scandals connected to the 2016 campaign. One deserves the attention that it’s getting. The other is closer to — what’s the term I’m looking for? — fake news.

The real scandal involves the Russian hacking operation against the Democratic National Committee. This was a genuine crime, a meaningful theft, which led to a series of leaks that were touted by the Republican nominee for president often enough that we can assume that Donald Trump, at least, thought they contributed something to his victory. The fact that members of his family and inner circle were willing and eager to meet with Russians promising hacked emails, the pattern of lies and obfuscation from the president and his team thereafter, and the general miasma of Russian corruption hanging around Trump campaign staff — all of this more than justifies Robert Mueller’s investigation, and depending on what his team ultimately reports it might even justify impeachment.

But alongside and around this real scandal you have the other Russian efforts to influence the election and its aftermath, the outlines of which have been apparent for some time, but which have earned a new wave of agitated attention thanks to Mueller’s battery of indictments against a Russian troll farm and the various goblins, kobolds and boggarts it employed.

Their efforts added up to a lot of social media activity and a few events in meatspace, in which the Russians had the clever idea to organize demonstrators on both sides of our great American divide. Memes were distributed, millions of dollars spent, fake accounts employed — all to encourage not just the specific political goal of elevating Trump (and Bernie Sanders) and discrediting both party establishments, but the broader ambition of widening our internal fissures, inflaming our debates, making our imperium more ungovernable at home and thus weaker on the global stage.

Such conduct is certainly worthy of indictment, legal and rhetorical. What it is not worth is paranoia and hysteria, analogies to Pearl Harbor and the Sept. 11 attacks, and an “America under attack”/“hacking our democracy” panic that give the Russian trolls far too much credit for cleverness and influence and practical success.

Because on the evidence we have, nothing they did particularly mattered. The D.N.C. hack was genuinely important because it involved a real theft and introduced a variable into the campaign that would not otherwise have been present. But the rest of the Russian effort did not introduce anything to the American system that isn’t already present; it just reproduced, often in lousy or ludicrous counterfeits, the arguments and images and rhetorical tropes that we already hurl at one another every day.

And the scale of the effort, set against the scale of campaign spending and online activity and political frenzy from domestic partisans, meant that any real influence was necessarily negligible, swamped by the all-too-American sources of our national derangement.

A scan through this newspaper’s accounting of some of the Russian operations should serve to illustrate the point. The pro-Trump ads the trolls sponsored during the campaign were just clumsy variations on ubiquitous right-wing themes (“Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is”). The protests and counterprotests they ginned up after the election were marginal imitations of the all-American crowds that showed up for Trump rallies and later for the Women’s Marches. And the operatives’ surprise at American credulity — “I created all these pictures and posts, and the Americans believed that it was written by their people” — was itself a testament to the essentially imitative quality of their work: People believed the trolls were real Americans because so many totally real, born-in-the-U.S.A. counterparts were saying exactly the same things.

And the people who believed them, by and large, were probably not the nearly 78,000 Midwestern swing voters who officially determined the election’s Electoral College outcome, since on the evidence we have most fake news is political pornography for hyperpartisans — toxic in its own way, deserving of concern, but something driven more by panting, already polarized demand than by nefarious, median-voter-manipulating suppliers.

In this landscape, the people obsessing about how Russian influence is supposedly driving polarization and mistrust risk becoming like J. Edgar Hoover-era G-men convinced that Communist subversives were the root cause of civil rights era protest and unrest. There were Soviet agents bent on encouraging racial conflict, just as there are Russian trolls today. But then as now obsessing over Russian influence can become a way to deny or minimize American realities that are far more important than some provocateur’s Hillary-for-prison meme.

And that is the danger for a liberalism (or an anti-Trump centrism or conservatism) that’s forever wringing its hands over how surely, surely Russian interference might have been enough to shift those crucial 78,000 votes and make Donald Trump the president. Because even if you believe that the interaction between the F.B.I. investigation of Hillary Clinton, the hacking and the WikiLeaks drip-drip did swing those votes (I’m quite sure the memes and fake accounts did not), the proper question should still be: How was it that close to begin with?

A new Cold War is not an answer to that question. (Especially since, for all the talk of Trump-the-traitor, he has moved our military posture somewhat closer to the policies the Russia hawks demand.) Neither is a theory that obsesses over tens of thousands of voters when the Americans who switched from Obama to Trump, in the Midwest and elsewhere, probably number in the millions.

The bottom line is that liberal mandarins in the West — not just in America — face a hard choice when it comes to the populism that gave us Trump, Brexit and right-wing parties and governments in Central and Eastern Europe. Should this re-emergent nationalism be conciliated and co-opted, its economic grievances answered and some compromises made to address its cultural and moral claims? Or is it sufficiently noxious and racist and destructive that it can be only crushed, through gradual demographic weight or ruthless polarized mobilization?

The Russia fixation, at its worst, is a way to make the second choice without admitting that you’re making it — to pretend that in trying to crush your fellow countrymen you’re really fighting traitors and subversives and foreign adversaries, to further otherize the domestic out-group by associating them with far-off Muscovy.

Trump’s election was, indeed, a sudden shock in a long-running conflict. But it does us no good to pretend the real blow came from outside our borders, when it was clearly a uniquely hot moment in our own cold civil war.

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GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

freckle posted:

https://twitter.com/vprnet/status/966364337781837824

That's an incredibly suspicious place to put an end closing quote.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:24

Kokoro Wish: Jul 23, 2007; Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4iDh3NRXKI

# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:37

The Muppets On PCP: Nov 13, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

Chomskyan posted:

https://twitter.com/kasiakovacs/status/966013187295535106

Holy poo poo

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/query.p...numrows=10#OCC1

good thing the only people who still wear oversized, ill-fitting pants are middle-aged white guys

# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:44

D.N. Nation: Feb 1, 2012

More context to that Bernie quote:

# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:11

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

https://twitter.com/blagojevism/status/966384833705529349

# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:14

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Hm. It's a little bit of word salad, but it's about what you'd expect from an unscripted response to a viewer question. I'm not exactly sure what he's trying to assert though, I suppose that it was up to Hillary to push the "Russian interference" angle once she won the nomination?

# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:16

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

D.N. Nation posted:

More context to that Bernie quote:

So it turns out to be completely uncontroversial. Shocker.

Lightning Knight posted:

Hm. It's a little bit of word salad, but it's about what you'd expect from an unscripted response to a viewer question. I'm not exactly sure what he's trying to assert though, I suppose that it was up to Hillary to push the "Russian interference" angle once she won the nomination?

That seems to be it, yes. Like, how else would you do it? Isn't the nominee supposed to run the general election campaign?

# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:17

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Lightning Knight posted:

Hm. It's a little bit of word salad, but it's about what you'd expect from an unscripted response to a viewer question. I'm not exactly sure what he's trying to assert though, I suppose that it was up to Hillary to push the "Russian interference" angle once she won the nomination?

my read of it is "we didn't know about it until after the primaries so if the hillary campaign supposedly knew about this during the primaries why didn't they say anything"

# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:18

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Cerebral Bore posted:

That seems to be it, yes. Like, how else would you do it? Isn't the nominee supposed to run the general election campaign?

I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm just having trouble parsing the answer. The questions were hostile and looking for a specific answer and his response is a bit garbled to me.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

my read of it is "we didn't know about it until after the primaries so if the hillary campaign supposedly knew about this during the primaries why didn't they say anything"

This seems like the most likely reading actually.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:19

Azhais: Feb 5, 2007; Switchblade Switcharoo

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

https://twitter.com/blagojevism/status/966384833705529349

Next, witness his stirring karaoke rendition of Brown Sugar

# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:27

Zil: Jun 4, 2011; Satanically Summoned Citrus

Azhais posted:

Next, witness his stirring karaoke rendition of Brown Sugar

Then he brings out a soft serve machine and only uses the swirl handle.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:32

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/966386912780083205

Things May Be Beginning to Matter.

Edit:

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/966403606332178432

They said vote for the teens, and that we are the generation we've been waiting for.

They should've said, don't gently caress with the teens.

Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Feb 21, 2018

# ? Feb 21, 2018 21:53

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Lightning Knight posted:

They should've said, don't gently caress with the teens.

As nice as that feels to say, teens don't vote and don't have any money so no one gives a poo poo what they think.

If you think this will make a difference in FL you're high. Governor Skeletor is running for Senate and everyone else in the state is being more-conservative-than-thou to get his job.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 22:39

GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Lightning Knight posted:

Hm. It's a little bit of word salad, but it's about what you'd expect from an unscripted response to a viewer question. I'm not exactly sure what he's trying to assert though, I suppose that it was up to Hillary to push the "Russian interference" angle once she won the nomination?

There was also a bit in the middle this seems to be leaving out where his campaign manager at least identified bots and stuff posting to the Bernie pages and him saying they were actively passing that information on to the Clinton campaign and expressing concern (with the implication being that it was being ignored)

So it's "we were telling them everything we knew which wasn't a whole lot and they never got back to us"

# ? Feb 21, 2018 22:39

Hieronymous Alloy: Jan 30, 2009; Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!; Morbid Hound

Rent-A-Cop posted:

As nice as that feels to say, teens don't vote and don't have any money so no one gives a poo poo what they think.

If you think this will make a difference in FL you're high. Governor Skeletor is running for Senate and everyone else in the state is being more-conservative-than-thou to get his job.

Teens gonna vote

# ? Feb 21, 2018 22:48

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Teens gonna vote

Unless they can outvote the never ending tide of shithead snowbirds it won't matter.

FL utterly lacks anything even resembling a functional opposition to the GOP. Our state Dems are loving worthless.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 22:55

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Bill Nelson was one of two sitting members of congress that NASA flew on the Space Shuttle back before Challenger when they were being really stupid about how they flew it.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:10

Motto: Aug 3, 2013

https://twitter.com/cbschicago/status/966407848497303553?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E2

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:18

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Instant Sunrise posted:

Bill Nelson was one of two sitting members of congress that NASA flew on the Space Shuttle back before Challenger when they were being really stupid about how they flew it.

there was no good way to fly the shuttle as the concept itself was stupid

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:23

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

there was no good way to fly the shuttle as the concept itself was stupid

Counterpoint: The good way to fly a Shuttle with Bill Nelson on it is "into the ground" as ejecting him into space runs the risk of inflicting a bad Dem on aliens, who would then be totally justified in annihilating us.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:25

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Counterpoint: The good way to fly a Shuttle with Bill Nelson on it is "into the ground."

i'll accept this

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:26

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Unless they can outvote the never ending tide of shithead snowbirds it won't matter.

FL utterly lacks anything even resembling a functional opposition to the GOP. Our state Dems are loving worthless.

Gotta start somewhere.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:30

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Lightning Knight posted:

Gotta start somewhere.

Well we managed to elect a not entirely poo poo mayor here, so that's something.

Really though our entire national representation in this state needs to be primaried because they are all geriatric fucks and closet Republicans. Corrine Brown went to jail though, which is nice.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:41

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Well we managed to elect a not entirely poo poo mayor here, so that's something.

Really though our entire national representation in this state needs to be primaried because they are all geriatric fucks and closet Republicans. Corrine Brown went to jail though, which is nice.

Are you talking about Tallahassee or somewhere else?

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:44

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Lightning Knight posted:

Are you talking about Tallahassee or somewhere else?

St. Pete.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:45

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

there was no good way to fly the shuttle as the concept itself was stupid

You're not wrong.

# ? Feb 21, 2018 23:57

B B: Dec 1, 2005

I am sorry if this is a repost, but I dont want to risk anyone missing this:

https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/966317833675264001

# ? Feb 22, 2018 00:16

Wales Grey: Jun 20, 2012

B B posted:

I am sorry if this is a repost, but I dont want to risk anyone missing this:

https://twitter.com/RossMcCaff/status/966317833675264001

Post Publisher Pulling Planned Printing, Pro-Pederasty Pundit Peddles Paranoia Pills Perniciously?

# ? Feb 22, 2018 01:32

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

https://twitter.com/DaviSusan/status/966078532169453569

https://twitter.com/AthertonKD/status/966107307464540160

# ? Feb 22, 2018 01:55

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

https://twitter.com/DaviSusan/status/966078532169453569

https://twitter.com/AthertonKD/status/966107307464540160

This is something that I realized back in 2016. 2020 is going to have the first cohort of voters who were born after 9/11.

People who are turning 18 this year and voting for the first time, the post-9/11 security state and endless wars in the Middle East is all they've ever known. To put that in perspective, this is an Onion headline from 2012: 18-Year-Old Fighting In Afghanistan Has 9/11 Explained To Him By Older Soldier. This is literally true today.

But not only that, the Lehman bros meltdown is going to be 10 years old this year. The people turning 18 this year and the people turning 18 in 2020, are going to have very little memory of a time before the crash, and their only real memory of the state of the world is going to be after the sabotaged recovery that sent all the gains to the top. That's the only system they've known.

# ? Feb 22, 2018 02:14

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

They are the first generation to have lead free paint chips to eat.

# ? Feb 22, 2018 02:53

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Mr Hootington posted:

They are the first generation to have lead free paint chips to eat.

And Millennials are also the first generation not to grow up breathing aerosolized lead from car emissions.

# ? Feb 22, 2018 03:01

Pablo Nergigante: Apr 16, 2002

Mr Hootington posted:

They are the first generation to have lead free paint chips to eat.

Instant Sunrise posted:

And Millennials are also the first generation not to grow up breathing aerosolized lead from car emissions.

Thank god for Tide pods

# ? Feb 22, 2018 03:02

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

I know this is not a debate but boy howdy i need to debate you people

# ? Feb 22, 2018 03:26

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

DC Murderverse posted:

I know this is not a debate but boy howdy i need to debate you people

no you don't!

# ? Feb 22, 2018 03:29

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 15:14

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

whoops, wrong topic.

# ? Feb 22, 2018 03:45

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