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Endorph posted:galaxy brain: im ignoring that post because you gendered astolfo Is Astolfo nonbinary? I haven't looked at apocrypha nor do I plan to, but any discussions on him I've seen have always used gendered pronouns, unlike with D'eon. (And my question still stands regardless. I'm not sure there's a single teamcomp Astolfo is good in that Mary doesn't outperform him at by a ton. And if you need survivability marie is more reliable too.)
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Transient People posted:Is Astolfo nonbinary? I haven't looked at apocrypha nor do I plan to, but any discussions on him I've seen have always used gendered pronouns, unlike with D'eon. No, he's male. He pretty much dressed up as a joke to cheer up his friend, and they went out to gently caress women forcefully.
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its just a joke about how the game considers astolfo neither male nor female. that said the game and the extra material are all over the place in regards to how astolfo IDs, mostly as a function of having so many different writers and nobody really caring enough to lay things out plainly. the game itself considers astolfo nb in terms of mechanics, some of their dialogue leans one way, some leans the other, so on. its pretty much the same thing deon has going on, where one minute they're loudly saying they're a guy and then the next people are using female pronouns for them without them piping up. enkidu's sort of in the same boat but nobody cares about them because they dont wear a tiny skirt i guess
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Transient People posted:Is Astolfo nonbinary? I haven't looked at apocrypha nor do I plan to, but any discussions on him I've seen have always used gendered pronouns, unlike with D'eon. Astolfo is male, but some fans treat him as nonbinary and his behavior is androgynous enough. Fate/GO exaggerates it and counts him as neither male nor female for any game mechanics that target either. Fate doesn't really approach that subject with the same sensitivity as the West generally does... Mordred refusing to be called female is haha funny because she's obviously a girl, not "oh wow I guess she identifies as male therefore I better not gently caress up my pronouns."
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Dee Ehm posted:Astolfo is male, but some fans treat him as nonbinary and his behavior is androgynous enough. Fate/GO exaggerates it and counts him as neither male nor female for any game mechanics that target either. 
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Feb 22, 2018 22:11
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I don't know who or what Astolfo is but they're cute as hell so I'm gonna spend a lot of money.
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Feb 22, 2018 22:13
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The barbarians in the East know not of gender like the West does, and the West treats it with the utmost respect
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Feb 22, 2018 22:14
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i mean on the one hand there are some weird lines about da vinci but on the other hand she's a drat sight better than  quote:The real strength of this burly duelist comes not from her unrivaled brawn, but from her tender heart. She's just bursting with affection for all living things, and she never stops cherishing each and every creature within arms' reach. quote:Ladiva's gender attribute is neither male nor female in terms of gameplay mechanics.
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Feb 22, 2018 22:15
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Dee Ehm posted:Fate doesn't really approach that subject with the same sensitivity as the West generally does... Mordred refusing to be called female is haha funny because she's obviously a girl, not "oh wow I guess she identifies as male therefore I better not gently caress up my pronouns." Mordred doesn't want to be called a girl because otherwise she felt she couldn't be a King, because she thinks she's the equal of her father. But she also gets pissed if you ignore her femininity and treat her like a man. On the other hand she hated it if you praise Artoria, and hate it if you insult Artoria too.
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Feb 22, 2018 22:16
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you: they're male because they have a dick me, enlightened: there are many flavors of dick
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Feb 22, 2018 22:19
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Dee Ehm posted:Fate doesn't really approach that subject with the same sensitivity as the West generally does... dude this is basically racism or at least it reads like every racist take I've seen recently
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Feb 22, 2018 22:23
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the warring states period wouldnt have happened if they understood gender better
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Stairmaster posted:the warring states period wouldnt have happened if they understood gender better
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Feb 22, 2018 22:27
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astolfo likes being cute and femme while being a somewhat coolish knight too. sometimes the way they're handled in fate differs depending on the writer handling them or the characters involved. sometimes they're an otokonoko. sometimes i call astolfo 'he' and I'm like "does this sound right to me? maybe not" but then is "they" perfect either? not quite. gender is confusing. Higashide says they don't know what gender astolfo is anymore. Meteo, who helped design Astolfo, liked this image on twitter in between hundreds of lewd images of mysterious heroine x alter a few months ago and I chuckled at it. I think a lot of characters in type moon are meant to be explorative of gender and it's cool to share opinions and your perspectives on them and look at what other people are reading with an open mind. also it's not cool or fun for anyone in the thread to entrench your position and say "actually history books say i'm right, also they raped a lot" as if that argument's going to serve anyone in a fate thread Endorph posted:i mean on the one hand there are some weird lines about da vinci but on the other hand she's a drat sight better than please don't draphshame in this household!!
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Feb 22, 2018 22:32
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FGO at least has better rates than GBF  I want that game to get a FGO-like/proper mobile client so bad. The web-interface look is so average for such a highly grossing game.
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Feb 22, 2018 22:40
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EPIC fat guy vids posted:FGO at least has better rates than GBF extremely untrue
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Feb 22, 2018 22:40
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Until I get my fuckin Black knight and SSR Kat then the rates in GBF are booty
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Aurora posted:extremely untrue Then I guess I've been lucky in FGO and unlucky in GBF - or I just didn't get the SSRs I wanted in GBF to get my dark team going. Or both. My water/light teams are pretty top notch though. My #1 complaint with GBF is the web-client and the game not having a full mobile interface. Captain Baal posted:Until I get my fuckin Black knight and SSR Kat then the rates in GBF are booty Same but Zooey, Dark Jeanne and Narumeya.
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Feb 22, 2018 22:45
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EPIC fat guy vids posted:Then I guess I've been lucky in FGO and unlucky in GBF - or I just didn't get the SSRs I wanted in GBF to get my dark team going. gbf is 3% for ssrs and every month has a double rates SSR period. fgo has always been 1% for 5*s.
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FGO is superior to GBF simply because Fou is far cuter than that lizard, Vryn. Also our Jeanne's are better.
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Feb 22, 2018 22:47
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also it's incredibly lol to me that anyone in a fate thread would thing "duhhh who would expect anything good related to gender in this series" when saber has a fwiggin whole backstory devoted to how she had to surpress herself as a girl to be a king
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Feb 22, 2018 22:48
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Dryzen posted:dude this is basically racism or at least it reads like every racist take I've seen recently If it sounded like I was saying something like that then that's absolutely not what I meant. I just don't think modern gender identity politics really fit onto these characters cleanly. Edit: I like Fate and really don't want to get into any arguments on this subject because I don't even have a really strong opinion on the matter. How about that Dante event coming up?
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Feb 22, 2018 22:48
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"gender identity politics" jesus
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100 degrees Calcium posted:I don't know who or what Astolfo is but they're cute as hell so I'm gonna spend a lot of money. This, except I do know who they are, and I don't have any money. Endorph posted:actually, if you read my manga about kenshin being a crossdressing woman, you'll find out - I ain't mad at this: 
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Endorph posted:actually, if you read my manga about kenshin being a crossdressing woman, you'll find out - Sengoku Rance ftw
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Feb 22, 2018 22:50
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Aurora posted:gbf is 3% for ssrs and every month has a double rates SSR period. fgo has always been 1% for 5*s. It's probably that I started GBF really late and the pool of SSRs is huge. But yeah you're right. Galaga Galaxian posted:FGO is superior to GBF simply because Fou is far cuter than that lizard, Vryn. Very true to both. Though Dark Jeanne in GBF is pretty neat and pretty strong too if I recall.
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Feb 22, 2018 22:53
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Dee Ehm posted:I just don't think modern gender identity politics really fit onto these characters cleanly. you mean all these characters that were created after the year loving 2000? gently caress off with this weak poo poo
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taser rates posted:Rider Ishtar is okay but not amazing. Rider Kintoki gives 5* riders a run for their money though. Nah, I'd say she's pretty great. Really good NP gain and crit rate, decent skills, with a fairly crucial first skill that gives the Buster/Quick/NP gain up for the whole party. Her NP, despite being quick AOE hits really, really hard. Her limitation is having low HP and kind of flimsy when hit which is why her other two skills depend on evasion and invulnerability.
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Stairmaster posted:you mean all these characters that were created after the year loving 2000? stair ive seen your discord posts you do not get to do this
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Endorph posted:i mean on the one hand there are some weird lines about da vinci but on the other hand she's a drat sight better than I don't have much interest in GBF, never going to probably, but I feel like if I did then getting Hypermax Ladiva as my accounts main offering of support would be a wonderful goal.
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What's with the daily <Class> Training Ground quests? I've been doing ember gathering for xp so I'm assuming the training grounds are for something else.
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Ashsaber posted:I don't have much interest in GBF, never going to probably, but I feel like if I did then getting Hypermax Ladiva as my accounts main offering of support would be a wonderful goal. There is a guy that eats ramen all the time and attacks you with giant chopsticks. He has a swimsuit version to. The characters are really good.
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100 degrees Calcium posted:What's with the daily <Class> Training Ground quests? I've been doing ember gathering for xp so I'm assuming the training grounds are for something else. Materials, like pieces, monuments, and gems for that class. Along with the materials from the enemies that show up like amazons and wyverns.
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100 degrees Calcium posted:What's with the daily <Class> Training Ground quests? I've been doing ember gathering for xp so I'm assuming the training grounds are for something else. They are for monuments, pieces and other ascension/ability upgrades. Events give you so many mats that the only reason you'd run these are if your really need one or two more pieces/monuments to get a good unit to the next ascension e- Well at half rate they become pretty good to farm if you are low on master levels and for skill gems.
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100 degrees Calcium posted:What's with the daily <Class> Training Ground quests? I've been doing ember gathering for xp so I'm assuming the training grounds are for something else. You get one class each day of the week. Today is Riders, so it runs through them. All the enemies are of that class. Servants enemies can drop pieces and monuments for ascension, while normal enemies can drop skill gems and ascension materials. Higher AP cost ones are more difficult and are more likely to drop higher tier items and skill gems. You'll mostly be using it for skill gems to level up Servants' skills or occasionally for ascension materials... Saber / Archer / Lancer dailies have a decent chance at Phoenix Feathers for example, while Snake Gems can be gotten during Caster dailies. If you need a Heart of a Foreign God, 40 AP Caster is the only place currently that has a (really bad) chance of dropping them.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:They are for monuments, pieces and other ascension/ability upgrades. Events give you so many mats that the only reason you'd run these are if your really need one or two more pieces/monuments to get a good unit to the next ascension
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if you dont have your second archive full of hands and a jeanne you are playing the game wrong
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