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Main Paineframe posted:If it we're just Carnymancy, it'd be okay. It's not like Jojo has done much of anything. The problem is that Charlie also has the Arkendish, which so far has exhibited more bullshit powers than all the other known Arkentools combined, and can easily mix those powers with his Carnymancy and his infinite juice (courtesy of his rigged portal) to just break whatever he wants. This is a very good write up. On the Arkenhammer, I wonder if it is truly attuned. Its definitely a piece of garbage compared to everything else. Oh here are these powerful but very mortal units you can tame but gotta pay upkeep for. But you have to find them first and they are rare. Oh it also gives sweet combat bonuses but you have to risk it on the front line to use that. I'm betting in the hands of some kinda CASTER with MAGIC which is SO loving IMPORTANT 90% of the comic now revolves around magic shenanigans, maybe a DOLLMANCER, suddenly it will be converting anything into anything, ala the walnut transmutation.
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John_A_Tallon posted:If you got store credit sitting around on your Erfworld account, now's probably a good time to spend it and at least get something for it. Lest you anger Rob in one way or another and he just delete your account. I guess the real advice here is... ... Don't be a Tool. 
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Yeah, think I'm in the same boat. Time to come back in a year and see how bad he hosed himself over.
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This is the last reddit post I'll quote here for awhile unless there's something really funny that happens next. Although this is a pretty lulzy post by Rob Balder.PartyRob on Reddit posted:
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Feb 22, 2018 05:12
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If this guy was actually going around to random industry people to tell them Balder is a jerk, Balder was honestly right to ban him. That doesn't make cryptocurrency less dumb, but you don't have to let people cast Dirtamancy in your swimming pool just because it's there.
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Feb 22, 2018 05:26
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The whole "woe is me, I couldn't write Erfworld today because some random nobody tweeted at my fellow webcomic creators" schtick is pretty eyebrow-raising, though, especially when coupled with the open admission that expressing negative feedback on any platform Rob controls will get you banned from said platform.
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Feb 22, 2018 05:43
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He's reminding me a lot of Chris Roberts. Quick, give him millions to make Erfworld a real game.
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Feb 22, 2018 06:16
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Feb 22, 2018 09:34
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Rand Brittain posted:If this guy was actually going around to random industry people to tell them Balder is a jerk, Balder was honestly right to ban him. It sounds like he did that after getting banned, and presumably because of it. Which really makes it seem like Balder doesn't understand how his own actions led to spending a day dealing with this poo poo.
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That is definitely one of the douchier and more self-important screeds I've read recently.
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Reene posted:Balder is now yelling at me on twitter, incredible
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Feb 22, 2018 11:03
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I like how Erfworld's buttcoin debacle got even worse since the announcement. 
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I'm feeling the 'come back much later' vibe as well. The wandering story and missed updates were annoying. Seeing time go into crypto farming when he'd make plenty of cash doing his job hasn't helped. The bans I find frankly unacceptable. On the bright side it'll mean that I am 100% free from checking webcomics for updates (down from like six several years ago). When I come back to check in a few months maybe there will be enough material that this months-long turn will have finally ended....
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I like the comic, but drat Rob Balder seems like a jerk with no sense of perspective. A long whiny screed about how much time two users made him waste because he banned them for disagreeing with him, coupled with this self-righteous accusation that by disagreeing with him and forcing him to ban them they have wasted his time and thus stolen Great Art from the universe, is not a good look.
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John_A_Tallon posted:PartyRob on Reddit posted: beyond parody
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Man this nonsense is more entertaining than the comic has been for years.
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Erev posted:On the bright side it'll mean that I am 100% free from checking webcomics for updates (down from like six several years ago). When I come back to check in a few months maybe there will be enough material that this months-long turn will have finally ended.... I figure in a couple of years time I might even have another panel of Dresden Codak to read. If I'm lucky.
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If this thread turns into another negativity festival, I'm just going to close it. One SFP thread is enough.
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Rand Brittain posted:If this thread turns into another negativity festival, I'm just going to close it. One SFP thread is enough. And then no one else will be able to make a new one?
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Rand Brittain posted:If this thread turns into another negativity festival, I'm just going to close it. One SFP thread is enough. Rob, is that you? For real though, that won't accomplish anything. When a creator has a huge, public meltdown like this people will to talk about it, especially if you try to suppress their ability to do so (as this whole banning kerfuffle demonstrates). It doesn't help that there frankly isn't much else going on with ErfWorld right now, what with the glacial plot progression, unnecessary tangent pages and frequent missed updates. If you can't stand the negativity then maybe just check out of the thread for a bit, because if you try to take your ball and go home someone else will just create a new thread and all you'll have done is push it further in the direction of being a dedicated mock thread.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:For real though, that won't accomplish anything. When a creator has a huge, public meltdown like this people will to talk about it, especially if you try to suppress their ability to do so (as this whole banning kerfuffle demonstrates). It doesn't help that there frankly isn't much else going on with ErfWorld right now, what with the glacial plot progression, unnecessary tangent pages and frequent missed updates. If you can't stand the negativity then maybe just check out of the thread for a bit, because if you try to take your ball and go home someone else will just create a new thread and all you'll have done is push it further in the direction of being a dedicated mock thread. I mean, people kept saying somebody should start a new Erfworld thread for a long time before somebody finally did, but you are probably right.
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People keep SAYING that someone should when it's merely the case that someone should, if you close the thread it becomes the case that someone HAS TO, and then someone will.
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So what is the deal with the cryptomining? Does it kick in every time you load up erfworld.com now? Does it go away as soon as you kill the tab?
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No, you have to deliberately install the app.
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Phenotype posted:So what is the deal with the cryptomining? Does it kick in every time you load up erfworld.com now? Does it go away as soon as you kill the tab? No, it's entirely voluntary. It's a separate program you can download discretionarily. It's a little weird, but it's not that bad. I think his response to criticism of the project is the actual objectionable element here. He seems to be attempting to do the whole mining thing in a responsible way - it's something users can choose to do if they want, and they get rewarded with store credit and a cosmetic minigame. That by itself seems fine. The, "if you criticise me and force me to ban you and erase your criticism, you are robbing the universe of my artistic genius by wasting my time," thing, though...
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Android Blues posted:No, it's entirely voluntary. It's a separate program you can download discretionarily. Oh well poo poo, that hardly seems like anything worth getting upset over. It sounds like its basically just another way to donate, then. In that case, both the "moral stance" objections and the ridiculous madposts and bannings from the author are even more stupid than typical internet slapfights.
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The objections were more about the hilarious wastefulness of Bitcoin in general (for $8 in electricity and 0.01% of your graphics card's lifespan, you can donate $11! Assuming the price of cryptocurrency stays stable!) and the weird slot-machine reward system (you earn "spins" which have a small chance of producing "gems" which you can trade to other players for their store credit), than the particular mining implementation. The marriage of a cryptocurrency scheme AND freemium game mechanics, all for a webcomic, is a recipe for objections and/or laughter. Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Feb 23, 2018 |
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The reason the crypto bit annoys me is that he's been working on that boondoggle when he already can't get pages out on time. If he'd just focus on not missing updates he'd probably make more than he will from this cryptomining venture. The fact that he then whined about his wasted art and 'creative genious' when he banned people just made it more annoying.
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I mean, he's not wrong when he says that the whole episode was a waste of his time, which he already doesn't have enough of to hit every update. He was wrong about thinking he could say that on the internet without being mocked, but the content of the speech is all true.
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He wasted his own time. There was no obligation for him to spend time banning users who thought his idea was dumb, obsessively following their social media presence, and then posting a lengthy screed about how he has dealt with the undesirables, who of course were useless leeches on him anyway. The users he banned weren't doing anything to him except disagreeing. It was Balder himself who turned it into a whole production. This makes his claim of wasted creative genius time even more ludicrously pompous.
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Also one of the banned guys was a patron with a bunch of store credit that got revoked without warning, so it kind of puts a tarnish on the whole, "Erfworld community funding this comic together!" thing. If you ban a long-time supporter for voicing disagreement with a new element of your business model, then the whole friendly community thing is really just so much marketing spin.
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The whole exchange just feels manufactured to dribble little bits of mechanics info for the people who desperately want to know more mechanics. It also does nothing to progress the plot, unless some offhand mechanics reference buried in the wall of text is suddenly Chekov's Gun. Basically another page of "things we already know but from someone else's perspective". 
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I mean, it also brings Skyy into play as a character who's going to do things (in particular, shoot any Gobwin Knob unit she happens to see), as opposed to just being a "oh yeah TV has units who aren't Caesar, Vinny, and Benjamin" background mob. It's also vaguely interesting that there's a ranking system based on Noble rank, and it triggers duty, but not actually enough that units necessarily have to obey orders if they don't think they ought to.
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, it also brings Skyy into play as a character who's going to do things (in particular, shoot any Gobwin Knob unit she happens to see), as opposed to just being a "oh yeah TV has units who aren't Caesar, Vinny, and Benjamin" background mob. Skyy has been around for a while. I'm not sure if we were given her name before, but she's been manning the Generic Translyvito Warlord post and making vaguely snide remarks about whatever she happened to be guarding ever since Parson arrived. Really, the entire point of this page was just to make extra-super-double clear (as usual) that it was in no way the fault of the Very Smart Person (Charlie) that they or someone under their command did a dumb thing, and to emphasize yet again that rifles are so incredibly powerful that any unit that doesn't have one literally doesn't matter because a single rifle-user can just mow down overwhelming odds. Other than that, it's just reiterating "Skyy Appletini is using the guns to shoot the molls", which was already covered over the last two pages, and spelling out a bunch of rules that aren't even particularly relevant right now. And I'm sure that before Skyy reaches the portal room, we're going to get yet another extended sidetrack dealing with the Makaleka, which already had ties to Maggie, Bill, Transylvito the side, Gobwin Knob, and Jeb. Now that Charlie, Shirley, and Temple Transylvito are all tied up in that mix too, I'm sure that particular bit of drama will take a good month to sort out. Main Paineframe fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Feb 24, 2018 |
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Main Paineframe posted:Really, the entire point of this page was just to make extra-super-double clear (as usual) that it was in no way the fault of the Very Smart Person (Charlie) that they or someone under their command did a dumb thing, The whole point of this comic is that the plans of Very Smart People are pointless if they don't account for the feelings of the people who actually have to execute the plan. Charlie decided to work with Bill; it's his fault if the plan fails because Bill is flexural. quote:and to emphasize yet again that rifles are so incredibly powerful that any unit that doesn't have one literally doesn't matter because a single rifle-user can just mow down overwhelming odds. There aren't overwhelming odds; the molls can't actually harm Skyy without triggering treaty penalties.
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Rand Brittain posted:There aren't overwhelming odds; the molls can't actually harm Skyy without triggering treaty penalties. These molls were being ordered around by Bill, though, who was sending Charlie messages like "Getting the rifle back has got to be worth a few treaty penalties," so they were almost certainly trying to kill the two warlords. I dunno, I liked this update. I'm still of the mind that Balder's issue with plotting is a real thing, but seems much worse than it really is because of the nature of webcomic updates (and skipping webcomic updates) and how frustrating it is to get trickles of story every week that don't progress anything. Like, whenever Erfworld is finished and you can sit down and read the whole thing at your own pace, I think this section will definitely be dragging a little bit but not nearly as bad as people are complaining now. This update was good because it actually DOES threaten plot movement -- these two are actually reacting to Charlie and Bill's attempted coup and might show up in the next few pages with an incredibly powerful weapon to save Caesar or at least gently caress something up spectacularly. And we get a little bit of worldbuilding too, sure. Feel free to call me an idiot if these two are unceremoniously blown up offscreen in the next few pages instead.
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