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spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Shirec posted:

How normal is it to have only two weeks

That's loving stupid but also pretty common at stupid companies that don't have a technical sales staff to prevent impossible things from being sold

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Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Fututor Magnus posted:

what i mean is that you give off the impression that you have a drive to work on the code, which should require the same sort of language regardless of gender to articulate that. even if you don't care that much about coding.

for example, you mention your physically enthusiastic nature and interest in code as separate things, when it would be in your best branding interest to smash the two together, say something like "i love coding and coming up with creative solutions so much that it makes me GIDDY with excitement", that you bring your enthusiasm with you when you code, and for all they know it is coding that drives your physical expressions of excitement and enthusiasm.

if you can pull that off being physically excited about anything, you have an edge over most of the puppets who interview for coding jobs. just make your cover letter convincing enough that the reason you're enthusiastic is code, you could easily go into the interview and sell it, if i'm right in assuming you're talking about being enthusiastic in your body language.

also, give yourself an impressive title based on the work you do and the languages you know, and bold it, like "i am a title fluent in X and Y" and so on.

I tried to tweak it a bit but I didn't want to go too crazy here. It's really easy for me to kind of overwhelm people, especially if they are introverted, so I try to scale back on the enthusiastic presentation until I know where they stand. Any last feedback? I really appreciate all the help from everyone, thank you!!


fantastic in plastic posted:

I think it's improved, and I like how you convey your personality in your writing.

You could polish it a little further by breaking apart some of the sentences that contain two ideas into two sentences. Compare "I am a developer, specializing in Node and AngularJS, and believe my skills will contribute greatly to your team." vs "I am a developer, specializing in Node and AngularJS. I believe that my skills will contribute greatly to your team." The second takes the two points you're trying to make and conveys them a little more clearly by devoting a whole sentence to each.

Paragraph #2 could be reworked. It's conveying two things at once, which might lead a reader to wonder what your point is. The two things I think that it's saying are that you're high energy (sentence 1, sentence 4, sentence 5) and that you've got some professional experience (sentence 2, sentence 3). I'd consider decoupling the two ideas and making each its own paragraph. The paragraphs can be short, a couple sentences is fine.

As a general rule in business writing, your audience is probably rushed and probably not invested in what they're doing. Optimize for brevity and clarity and you'll make a good impression.

Hopefully I didn't gild the lily, I feel much more confident about it now. I really hope it doesn't come off to try hard or clumsy either

Fututor Magnus posted:

also, shirec, have you ever thought of pivoting to a position where you get to work with the user side of things more? like product manager? someone of your personality would do very well in that role and coming from a background in code you can leverage that experience you have with further skills (which you can build) in business and product management.

Perhaps when I've got more experience? I have sort of that role now for on boarding customers and working with our sales guys (it's been slow since we are just bringing on our first now), but that's what I'm expected to do in the future. I really do love coding though, so I'd hesitate to pursue a path that would ultimately lead away from that. Since I have a business background, I hesitate to try and add more on to that experience now.

Pollyanna posted:

I sure as gently caress don't put that much effort into mine, and I'm in the US. Shirec, I salute your cover letter writing abilities :patriot:

Thank you Pollyanna! :kimchi:

The Fool posted:

Depends on how complicated of a product.

Two weeks is pretty fast for something that requires any amount of customization.

This is our first customer and my boss is already trashing a lot of work we've done this week. He literally suggested tossing the whole platform and going to the bare necessity of getting one function to work and I am so over this job.

rt4 posted:

That's loving stupid but also pretty common at stupid companies that don't have a technical sales staff to prevent impossible things from being sold

We've got a huge problem with that and we are competing with the offshore team (we're creating the second version of our product while the offshore team supports the current). So if we 3 people can't do stuff as fast as a team of 15 offshore, then we are failures.

Shirec fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Feb 23, 2018

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Shirec posted:

How normal is it to have only two weeks from getting customer information/requirements to having them launch? I have no idea if this is ridiculous or not.

Also guess whos working this weekend?

As others have said, the most accurate answer is "it depends", but it would be very rare that I would be comfortable giving a turnaround or 2 weeks for any actual feature (factoring in peer review, testing, inevitable revisiting when the stakeholder changes their mind about something, etc).

Bonus points if the 2 week deadline was already decided before the requirements were actually received.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Shirec posted:

This is our first customer and my boss is already trashing a lot of work we've done

:pcgaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0uqyjGuxyA :pcgaming:

Shirec posted:

We've got a huge problem with that and we are competing with the offshore team (we're creating the second version of our product while the offshore team supports the current). So if we 3 people can't do stuff as fast as a team of 15 offshore, then we are failures.

Seriouspost for once: I see this happen with startups and new companies a lot. What stops the people they're offshoring to from just taking the product and running with it? They're the ones who're actually able to make it, right? Why not just kick the original company to the curb? What does that original company even do?

Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Feb 23, 2018

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Pollyanna posted:

:pcgaming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0uqyjGuxyA :pcgaming:


Seriouspost for once: I see this happen with startups and new companies a lot. What stops the people they're offshoring to from just taking the product and running with it? They're the ones who're actually able to make it, right? Why not just kick the original company to the curb? What does that original company even do?

What do you mean? Are you asking why the offshore developers don't just steal the source code?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

What do you mean? Are you asking why the offshore developers don't just steal the source code?

Well, not the source code, but the core competency and idea of the product.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

Pollyanna posted:

Seriouspost for once: I see this happen with startups and new companies a lot. What stops the people they're offshoring to from just taking the product and running with it? They're the ones who're actually able to make it, right? Why not just kick the original company to the curb? What does that original company even do?

Why don't construction contractors go into the hotel business? They're the ones that can actually build a building, right? What does Hilton even do?

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Pollyanna posted:

Well, not the source code, but the core competency and idea of the product.

Well I assume they don't do that for the same reason any other software developer doesn't. A sense of ethics and an understanding that the idea isn't worth anything unless they can successfully launch it and market it and gain a real userbase.

Ither
Jan 30, 2010

Nippashish posted:

This is a very strange cross to die on.

My other cross is writing a post interview thank you letter.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you
I wish I were so experienced and well connected that I could get gainful employment in the industry of my choice without ever having write a cover letter or a post interview thank you letter.

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION
Learn to suck dick real good.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

Pollyanna posted:

Well, not the source code, but the core competency and idea of the product.

Why don't you?

Ither
Jan 30, 2010

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

Learn to suck dick real good.

Way ahead of you.

downout
Jul 6, 2009

Ither posted:

My other cross is writing a post interview thank you letter.

I'll write a thank you email, if i have an email address (get a business card or ask) and i am really interested in the job. But the emails are short and formulaic.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Jose Valasquez posted:

I would find it weird if someone didn't bring something to write notes on to an interview

... that might explain something for me :\

Unrelated but have a free cover letter template lifted mostly from the form I figured out a gifted bullshit artist (his only gift) at a previous job was using:

In response to the $JOB_SITE listing, I would like to be considered for the $JOB_TITLE position. My education and work experience should be ideal for the position.

I've been a $RECENT_EXP in the $METRO area for $CAREER_LENGTH years. [Previously, I was a $PREV_EXP at $OLD_JOB where I was primarily responsible for $SOMETHING_IMPRESSIVE.] (edit to suit ->) My experience with $TECH_FROM_POSTING makes me an ideal fit for your requirements.

I have a proven record of working with emerging and established technologies to deliver solutions to complex problems. With my demonstrated background and experience, I feel that I am an excellent fit for the position. $COMPANY could benefit from my commitment to quality code and extensive experience. I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Sincerely,
$NAME

Portland Sucks
Dec 21, 2004
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Munkeymon posted:

... that might explain something for me :\

Unrelated but have a free cover letter template lifted mostly from the form I figured out a gifted bullshit artist (his only gift) at a previous job was using:

In response to the $JOB_SITE listing, I would like to be considered for the $JOB_TITLE position. My education and work experience should be ideal for the position.

I've been a $RECENT_EXP in the $METRO area for $CAREER_LENGTH years. [Previously, I was a $PREV_EXP at $OLD_JOB where I was primarily responsible for $SOMETHING_IMPRESSIVE.] (edit to suit ->) My experience with $TECH_FROM_POSTING makes me an ideal fit for your requirements.

I have a proven record of working with emerging and established technologies to deliver solutions to complex problems. With my demonstrated background and experience, I feel that I am an excellent fit for the position. $COMPANY could benefit from my commitment to quality code and extensive experience. I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Sincerely,
$NAME

I don't understand the point of this when this could be summed up in two lines (previous employer and technical skills) on a resume. Isn't the point of a CL to expand on things that aren't just itemized on your resume in order to differentiate you?

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

I thought that maybe wed all just be knuckling under and getting this terrible task done, but I guess I made the mistake of thinking the customer req documents were what I should be building around. So I just got lambasted for what a dumb idea it was to try to include certain things like visit date and invoice date.

It wasnt the worst thing that happened but I guess Im just not built back up yet, cause Im currently trying to not cry in my car at a Panda Express.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
What the hell? Was there some double-secret shadow spec you were supposed to be working off of?

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Portland Sucks posted:

I don't understand the point of this when this could be summed up in two lines (previous employer and technical skills) on a resume. Isn't the point of a CL to expand on things that aren't just itemized on your resume in order to differentiate you?

Usually I do a little of that in the (edit to suit) part, but I assume it's generally not read, so I don't spend much time on it.

Shirec posted:

I thought that maybe wed all just be knuckling under and getting this terrible task done, but I guess I made the mistake of thinking the customer req documents were what I should be building around. So I just got lambasted for what a dumb idea it was to try to include certain things like visit date and invoice date.

It wasnt the worst thing that happened but I guess Im just not built back up yet, cause Im currently trying to not cry in my car at a Panda Express.

You really need to get out of there. Not Panda Express - your job.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Munkeymon posted:

Usually I do a little of that in the (edit to suit) part, but I assume it's generally not read, so I don't spend much time on it.


You really need to get out of there. Not Panda Express - your job.

Actually, since you're at Panda Express, see if they're hiring. It will be a better experience.

Capri Sun Tzu
Oct 24, 2017

by Reene

Pollyanna posted:

Well, not the source code, but the core competency and idea of the product.
Ideas aren't worth anything. It's the ability to execute and market the idea that matters and that takes a lot of specialized moving parts.

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


Yeah, implementations of good ideas are valuable. Good ideas themselves are worthless if they don't turn into a real product or service or w/e.

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

Ok loving gently caress today. For the second time, my boss is accessing a customers patient data because he wants to look at my coworkers info (he went to an urgent care we service with an ulcer last night).

This time I said something and he was like oh anybody can log on that can guess the password. Then I protested and said we shouldnt. I have no idea if he listened

Just papering Chicago with resumes now

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Shirec posted:

Ok loving gently caress today. For the second time, my boss is accessing a customers patient data because he wants to look at my coworkers info (he went to an urgent care we service with an ulcer last night).

This time I said something and he was like oh anybody can log on that can guess the password. Then I protested and said we shouldnt. I have no idea if he listened

Just papering Chicago with resumes now

Your boss is loving spying on your coworkers by violating HIPAA and looking up their PII? This is whistleblower territory here.

Pixelboy
Sep 13, 2005

Now, I know what you're thinking...

Shirec posted:

Ok loving gently caress today. For the second time, my boss is accessing a customers patient data because he wants to look at my coworkers info (he went to an urgent care we service with an ulcer last night).
Report him and burn the place down.

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
Please be sure to tell your coworkers what you witnessed!

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I

rt4 posted:

Please be sure to tell your coworkers what you witnessed!

They were laughing and joking with him about it!!!!
I asked him later if he was accessing this data and he said no, but no one seems to care but me

Portland Sucks
Dec 21, 2004
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Shirec posted:

They were laughing and joking with him about it!!!!
I asked him later if he was accessing this data and he said no, but no one seems to care but me

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/filing-a-complaint/index.html

Portland Sucks
Dec 21, 2004
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

Munkeymon posted:

Usually I do a little of that in the (edit to suit) part, but I assume it's generally not read, so I don't spend much time on it.

If you're assuming it's not read then what's the point of the CL at all?

Shirec
Jul 29, 2009

How to cock it up, Fig. I


I for real am gonna file one but Im in a team of three and I know Id get fired if he found out. Its gonna be the first thing I do when I leave.

I feel so guilty for waiting though, I should have stronger principles and ethics

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

Shirec posted:

I for real am gonna file one but Im in a team of three and I know Id get fired if he found out. Its gonna be the first thing I do when I leave.

I feel so guilty for waiting though, I should have stronger principles and ethics

If he fires you for reporting him for breaking a federal law you get the added benefit of him getting in even more trouble

kitten smoothie
Dec 29, 2001

Shirec posted:

I for real am gonna file one but I’m in a team of three and I know I’d get fired if he found out. It’s gonna be the first thing I do when I leave.

I feel so guilty for waiting though, I should have stronger principles and ethics

If I were in your shoes I'd let him fire me, the retaliation lawsuit would be ~kissy-fingers~

Portland Sucks
Dec 21, 2004
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

Jose Valasquez posted:

If he fires you for reporting him for breaking a federal law you get the added benefit of him getting in even more trouble

Sounds good, but what do you do in the meantime while you just aren't getting paid.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun

Shirec posted:

Ok loving gently caress today. For the second time, my boss is accessing a customers patient data because he wants to look at my coworkers info (he went to an urgent care we service with an ulcer last night).

This time I said something and he was like oh anybody can log on that can guess the password. Then I protested and said we shouldnt. I have no idea if he listened

Just papering Chicago with resumes now
Holy poo poo dude you need to report this immediately. Here.

HIPAA is no joke, report it, please, for the sake of everyone whose information your system stores.

Portland Sucks posted:

Sounds good, but what do you do in the meantime while you just aren't getting paid.
You can sue and a retaliation lawsuit will be both extremely easy to win or be settled immediately.

Shirec posted:

I feel so guilty for waiting though, I should have stronger principles and ethics
*puts on ethicist hat*

I don't blame you, it makes sense. You have to consider the consequences to you! But I can tell you that a HIPAA violation is extremely serious and it sounds like it's very easy to find. If your employer is complying with HIPAA an investigation of your logs will show that your boss did in fact do this and it's pretty cut and dry. If your company is not they are turbofucked (because if you don't have access controls and logging on access, that itself is a HIPAA violation). You can't be the only person with concerns. The fact is that you have recourse if they fire you for reporting a HIPAA violation, and this should protect you if your company isn't willing to die on the cross of your boss -- who you're trying to escape. So you have to -- and should -- weigh the costs of reporting now.

It is 100% understandable if you don't report immediately -- it's not a weakness. You're in a precarious (and awful) position and it tremendously sucks to be there. I feel for you.

Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Feb 23, 2018

Capri Sun Tzu
Oct 24, 2017

by Reene

Shirec posted:

I for real am gonna file one but Im in a team of three and I know Id get fired if he found out. Its gonna be the first thing I do when I leave.

I feel so guilty for waiting though, I should have stronger principles and ethics
If I had ironclad evidence then I'd file the complaint immediately otherwise I'd probably wait too (as would most people honestly speaking).

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Portland Sucks posted:

If you're assuming it's not read then what's the point of the CL at all?

Why do my shirts have collars? I've never folded one up to... keep warm, I guess?

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


ITT people react to the same news the same way 2 months apart.

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Ither posted:

Way ahead of you.

Pm me

Vincent Valentine
Feb 28, 2006

Murdertime

Keep in mind guys if shirec gets fired for reporting her boss there is zero chance she will win a retaliatory suit because he has been loudly and aggressively chastising her in public for basically everything. He can just point to all of those times and say he was unhappy with her performance. Is not that simple.

Meanwhile, I looked up why shirts have collars. It's too keep warm and hide ties. The reason you use a cover letter even if you assume it won't be read is because you need to give yourself every conceivable advantage. Everyone else is. Why would you purposely hamstring yourself in a market as hard to find a great job in as tech?

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Ither
Jan 30, 2010


Can't :(

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