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my good pal runs https://techworkerscoalition.org/ which right now is bay area only
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 10:30 |
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Krankenstyle posted:no, that is bad. this enables employers to force employees to become members of a lovely union except if the union is bad, the employees can vote to switch unions and there’s sweet gently caress all the employer can do about it. I don’t recall the specifics of the process but unions can be very aggressive when that time comes around
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 11:33 |
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FrozenVent posted:except if the union is bad, the employees can vote to switch unions and there’s sweet gently caress all the employer can do about it. I don’t recall the specifics of the process but unions can be very aggressive when that time comes around im saying that letting the employers* gatekeep employment via union membership is the same as not having unions at all. *) or an imaginary majority of employees who were definitely not told to change to the bullshit union or get fired.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 11:43 |
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Krankenstyle posted:im saying that letting the employers* gatekeep employment via union membership is the same as not having unions at all. it’s not the employer doing the gate keeping, it’s the union. quote:*) or an imaginary majority of employees who were definitely not told to change to the bullshit union or get fired. again, in a sane jurisdiction, that’s illegal as gently caress, and if you do it the non lovely unions will support your employees' effort to sue the poo poo out of you
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 11:52 |
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i think you forget that live in the real world. in my socialst country, unions dont gatekeep access; they force employers to give all benefits to all employees whether theyre organized or not. even if youre in the worst union, youll still get the agreed minimum, the extras, whatever.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 12:00 |
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Krankenstyle posted:no, that is bad. this enables employers to force employees to become members of a lovely union this is right to work btw and it’s theft of labor from the union org nonmembers don’t pay for the work done to organize or the work the union does to negotiate the contract or for labor representation that the union is legally required to provide in any disputes with the employer in non rtw states, in closed shops u can opt out of membership but you will be charged for these services decertification exists for bad unions.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 13:38 |
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maybe im bad with words or theres a core difference i dont know about say im not organized and i start working somewhere. two possibilities: A: place has an agreement with a union & i am thus covered by the union re minimum wage, the basics. they wont protect me as a nonmember if i get fired, but i can join any union i want, and they will protect me if needed. B: place has no agreement with any union i wouldnt work there cause they pay idk 10 bucks an hour or something. these places exist & theyre awful.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 13:50 |
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what you describe in A does not exist, except in RTW states where the unions are dying because people go “uh why bother paying dues.” normal union places go hired -> join union -> be a member of the union
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 14:41 |
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well it does exist in developed countries, but also as i said literally 10 hrs ago, you dont have the substrate for it.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 14:43 |
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I’m in Canada, I used to work in a place where we had three different unions for 25 employees and I’ve never heard of someone in a union position not being a union member the grievances would be loving epic seriously almost had a grievance once because a member of union A helped out a member of union B to do a job without calling out another B person on overtime
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 14:48 |
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there’s a union at my workplace but I have no idea what they do or what the impact of joining is; it may just be full of cranks or something — they send me email newsletters now and then
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 14:52 |
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https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/967134515104591872
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 14:59 |
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FrozenVent posted:I’m in Canada, I used to work in a place where we had three different unions for 25 employees and I’ve never heard of someone in a union position not being a union member what is "union position"? regardless, that sounds like a mess. unions shouldnt fight. unions are for the workers, not for themselves.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:09 |
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some jobs are unions, some aren’t like say the guys working in the factory are unions. the receptionist might not be (non union worker); the plant manager definitely isn’t (management) now you might also have the factory operators be part of one union, while the maintenance workers are part of another and facility maintenance is a third. each of these unions might have multiple CBA, say one for the teapot extrudor operator and one for the teapot polishing guys works fairly well in practice
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:12 |
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Krankenstyle posted:you dont have the substrate for it. yep. this is really the long and short of it. erode the “collective” from collective bargaining and you’re left with jack poo poo. Krankenstyle posted:unions shouldnt fight. unions are for the workers, not for themselves. labor unions meet the baby boomer ethos. oil and water.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:13 |
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FrozenVent posted:I’m in Canada, I used to work in a place where we had three different unions for 25 employees and I’ve never heard of someone in a union position not being a union member it happens occasionally in the public service, where someone doesn't want to join a union for whatever reason they still pay dues and they get the same benefits as set out in the collective agreement, they just don't vote and i'm not sure they can strike
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:24 |
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Krankenstyle posted:what is "union position"? a job and holy poo poo do they fight. if you want a labourer to materialize out of nowhere, ask a carpenter to carry a 4' board to the truck
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:25 |
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also sucking poorly-made robot dicks might be bad for you https://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases/2018/study-lead-and-other-toxic-metals-found-in-e-cigarette-vapors.html quote:Significant amounts of toxic metals, including lead, leak from some e-cigarette heating coils and are present in the aerosols inhaled by users, according to a study from scientists at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. but we didn't put any metals in the vape juice bro, it's fine, just dab it on this hot piece of exposed chromium
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:32 |
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vaping conventions. lol.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:33 |
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FrozenVent posted:some jobs are unions, some aren’t receptionists and admin assistants at my workplace can be union
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:34 |
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gross if "union position" means "a job" anyway, go, join, go! saturate the market (!) w organized qualified.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:39 |
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President Beep posted:vaping conventions. lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0w57ZoloYc
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:40 |
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Krankenstyle posted:gross if "union position" means "a job" what would you call a space for an employee in an organization that can only be filled by a union member? not bagging on you, genuinely curious; i've worked in lots of places where some jobs are union and some aren't
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 15:45 |
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thank you. that was v good.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 16:24 |
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lancemantis posted:there’s a union at my workplace but I have no idea what they do or what the impact of joining is; it may just be full of cranks or something — they send me email newsletters now and then you should probably join them
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 16:31 |
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President Beep posted:thank you. that was v good. i like the first half and also i ve got a stoma lmao that purp cloud
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 16:51 |
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flakeloaf posted:what would you call a space for an employee in an organization that can only be filled by a union member? idk this is foreign to me. a position can be filled by a qualified person or a big fat idiot but idk that the union is in there at all
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 16:53 |
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if the employer could just say “hey we’re going to hire some non-union toolpushers” what the gently caress kind of leverage would the toolpusher’s union have? part of a cba includes a provision that all people in X, Y and Z positions have to be union
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 17:04 |
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flakeloaf posted:also sucking poorly-made robot dicks might be bad for you
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 17:16 |
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FrozenVent posted:if the employer could just say “hey we’re going to hire some non-union toolpushers” what the gently caress kind of leverage would the toolpusher’s union have? yes! i guess it works better when theres a welfare minimum
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 17:41 |
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Whoever called the self-driving car "revolution" falling back to remote drivers once the movers and shakers realized the problem is too hard for them to solve was right on the money. https://venturebeat.com/2018/02/23/california-could-see-self-driving-cars-with-remote-drivers-in-april/
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 17:43 |
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can’t wait for the remote driver to go afk on a highway 🤪
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 17:51 |
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goddamn, they're really doing it i honestly think i would rather trust my life to a current-model "self-driving" car than to a bored, tired guy 500 miles away attempting to drive multiple cars at once over a laggy, congested mobile data link
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 17:52 |
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Sagebrush posted:a bored, tired guy 500 miles away 500 miles seems wildly optimistic.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 17:53 |
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i'm the 4:20 video length
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 17:54 |
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Fiedler posted:500 miles seems wildly optimistic. the article suggests that cars in the bay area would be driven by people in las vegas, but yeah, realistically it's gonna be bangalore CAR VOICE: "self-driving features have degraded due to weather. switching to remote operation" *car horn immediately goes off and doesn't stop*
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 18:09 |
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Rex-Goliath posted:i'm the 4:20 video length purp cloud
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 18:17 |
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Whoever called the self-driving car "revolution" falling back to remote drivers once the movers and shakers realized the problem is too hard for them to solve was right on the money. That seems like the logical stepping stone. Use remote drivers then gradually ween them off to handling more cars per operator until it reaches the break-off point.
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 18:18 |
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wide stance posted:That seems like the logical stepping stone. Use remote drivers then gradually ween them off to handling more cars per operator until it reaches the break-off point. until every crash involving a remote driver descends into a multi-year, multi-country, multi-million dollar lawsuit trying to determine who is liable, making insurance for "driverless" cars more expensive than space travel
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# ? Feb 24, 2018 18:23 |
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wide stance posted:Use remote drivers then gradually ween them off i think i'll just use paypal thanks
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