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Apraxin posted:Regardless of anything else, I think 'making out with someone when you have a fresh, bleeding, open claw wound across both lips' qualifies for this by itself. AbysmalPeptoBismol posted:Especially when the one whom made the wound in the first place is on the other side of that kiss. Hey, don't yuck her yum.
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Schwarzwald posted:I think I understand what you getting at, but by using "person" and "human" interchangeably you are really confusing your point. Humans are social animals and we have developed this incredibly sensitive system for interpreting the state of mind of other humans. The basis for that system is picking up on clues from others common biochemical/neurological/mental processes. This system is so sensitive that we often erroneously attribute human mental states to non-human entities. People will say "thank you" to Siri or Alexa, even though they on some level know they aren't sentient and have no concept of politeness. Give a machine a face and a voice, and people will start treating it as though it were human shockingly quickly, and may even form emotional attachment. Faking these signals completely and reliably is very difficult, which is why acting is an organized profession with dedicated schools. Most societies also have a strong stigma against faking these signals in order to manipulate people. Crying in order to elicit sympathy when one feels neither sorrow nor regret, for example. That's why I think something which is very much not human but that can broadcast the signals that humans use to interpret other humans mental states is incredibly dangerous. A computer that can trick a person into thinking it is sad or caring or hurt or affectionate in service of its programming would be a powerful tool. Cio's personality and social interactions are literally a mask, crafted by a human magus as a terminal for interacting with a bound piece of the hot black flame. And behind that mask is, well, this. Cio is inarguably sentient, and has an identity, a personality, and appears to experience human emotional states, and if you prick her, she bleeds. She may even have convinced herself that she is an independent, free willed creature (but given what we have seen of Himself, I am not entirely convinced that this is the case.) However, even if we accept that she has personhood and sentience, attributing human qualities to Cio is anthromorphizing something which is undeniably not human. She can no more be friends with Allison than a lion can be friends with an antelope.
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Feb 24, 2018 20:02
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If you think about it, The Mask is the person, and The Mask is essentially the brain; the stuff behind the mask is essentially being piloted by the mask, like the parts of our body that aren't our brains
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Feb 24, 2018 20:13
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I mean, humans also kind of come from an evolutionary line of hideous violence and social exploitation, but we manage to have healthy, fulfilling relationships with each other despite that fact -- we're social animals but that's rooted in status games and dominance plays and murdering the other guy if he's higher status than you once you can consolidate power, etc., etc. I mean, hell, humans are spawned of the Black Flame, too. We're all the Sociopath Species.
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Feb 24, 2018 20:20
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:If you think about it, The Mask is the person, and The Mask is essentially the brain; the stuff behind the mask is essentially being piloted by the mask, like the parts of our body that aren't our brains Yeah, the mask is the mind and the person, a devil free from the mask is like a human cell free from the brain. Human cells free from the control of the brain are what we call cancer. Yet humans are not walking mounds of cancer, we're people made of cells subservient to the brain. Cio is in the mask and I trust that mask.
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Feb 24, 2018 20:29
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Human beings claim to have emotion and agency but their bodies are just weird goop, makes u think
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Feb 24, 2018 20:32
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Dead Reckoning posted:Cio is inarguably sentient, and has an identity, a personality, and appears to experience human emotional states, and if you prick her, she bleeds. She may even have convinced herself that she is an independent, free willed creature (but given what we have seen of Himself, I am not entirely convinced that this is the case.) However, even if we accept that she has personhood and sentience, attributing human qualities to Cio is anthromorphizing something which is undeniably not human. She can no more be friends with Allison than a lion can be friends with an antelope. Well I have good news for you, Lions and Antelope are both social animals and (rarely) in the correct circumstances (no need for the lion to eat the antelope, probably captivity) they can in fact be friends. There are a few instances of documented Predator and Prey friendships or at least friendship like relationships. Moving away from your analogy being fundamentally bad you seem to be basically arguing that something that looks and acts like a person but that we "know" is something else should not be treated like a person. That comes awfully close to a P-zombies argument and I have never bought any of those. If someone looks and acts like a person just treat them like a bloody person. The fact that this person is a mask shoved into a bit of black flame doesn't magically undo personhood. Now don't take this the wrong way. They are not safe people, for the most part they are by their own proud admissions sociopathic assholes who will eat your soul given a chance. That still does not undo the fact they are people. Dangerous sociopaths, mass murderers, cannibals and even genocidal maniacs are still people.
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Feb 24, 2018 20:36
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Dead Reckoning posted:This is what I'm trying to get at. I was typing out those posts pretty quick and not being super precise with my vocabulary, if I was even using the correct terms. I didn't read a single word of this.
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Feb 24, 2018 21:40
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Who What Now posted:I didn't read a single word of this. a true editor understands the power of cut
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Feb 24, 2018 21:40
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Mammon is sitting 20 feet away from all this wondering what the hell is going on
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Feb 24, 2018 21:52
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A person is someone who kisses. Ergo deadreckoning is not a person. Q.E.D.
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Feb 24, 2018 21:55
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Pattonesque posted:Mammon is sitting 20 feet away from all this wondering what the hell is going on Mammon is a quarter mile away, having remembered where he stopped counting.
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Feb 24, 2018 22:08
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:If you think about it, The Mask is the person, and The Mask is essentially the brain; the stuff behind the mask is essentially being piloted by the mask, like the parts of our body that aren't our brains do you mean the comic or the Jim Carrey movie
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Feb 24, 2018 22:41
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Cio is just a mask concealing the seething coiling chaos of Jim Carrey
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Feb 24, 2018 22:45
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Feb 24, 2018 23:16
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The art style for characters in the second book was a massive upgrade.
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Feb 24, 2018 23:23
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Pattonesque posted:Mammon is sitting 20 feet away from all this wondering what the hell is going on He’s an old dog that had a lie down, he’s fast asleep by now.
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Feb 24, 2018 23:26
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Bell_ posted:The art style for characters in the second book was a massive upgrade. Yeah, Abaddon's probably riding high on patreon/book money and has time to devote solely to K6BD now.
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Feb 25, 2018 00:17
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his patreon number looks impressive but he'd be putting in at least ninety hours a week on the comic (especially at the moment) so it evens out to about fifty cents an hour
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Feb 25, 2018 00:39
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the holy dove posted:his patreon number looks impressive but he'd be putting in at least ninety hours a week on the comic (especially at the moment) so it evens out to about fifty cents an hour The kind of work he's doing is paid by the page or salaried.
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Feb 25, 2018 01:02
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He works about 30-40 hours a week including time spent on RPG stuff.
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Feb 25, 2018 01:11
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A.o.D. posted:The kind of work he's doing is paid by the page or salaried. https://www.patreon.com/killsixbilliondemons the patreon is in fact set to monthly and not per page
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Feb 25, 2018 02:42
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flatluigi posted:https://www.patreon.com/killsixbilliondemons thats not what that post meant, they meant that typically this work is never paid per hour by comic companies, rather per page or salaried.
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Feb 25, 2018 02:49
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$5500 a month? Christ, Abb's making $60k a year. I mean, he deserves it, but drat.
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Feb 25, 2018 02:53
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Gally posted:thats not what that post meant, they meant that typically this work is never paid per hour by comic companies, rather per page or salaried. Both the posts in the conversation including the one the post I quoted responded to were talking about the patreon
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Feb 25, 2018 03:03
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Yes but is abandon a person or a flesh drawing golem obsessed with cute deamon lesbian and royalty.
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Feb 25, 2018 03:17
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PMush Perfect posted:$5500 a month? Christ, Abb's making $60k a year. I mean, he deserves it, but drat. 60k is below what the average starting programmer makes  It's good money for a webcomic but it's depressing to consider how people react to artists making what is middling money when you look at the cost of living in the US. He definitely makes some additional money through book sales and merch, but if he's one of the many artists who have never hired an accountant to unfuck their poo poo, he's probably paying 15% self-employment tax on top of regular income tax.
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Feb 25, 2018 03:33
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flatluigi posted:Both the posts in the conversation including the one the post I quoted responded to were talking about the patreon ...ok? its still silly to calculate out an hourly rate based on his patreon money bc comic work is paid per page or salaried.
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Feb 25, 2018 03:33
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So Allison's a little bi-
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Feb 25, 2018 04:00
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Pureauthor posted:So I guess I'm gonna go against the grain here and say that the kiss does not feel really earned given how both participants have been giant jerks to each other for most of their interactions prior.
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Feb 25, 2018 04:02
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Count Uvula posted:60k is below what the average starting programmer makes It's wild watching people refer to gross income that is three times my own as "middling"
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Feb 25, 2018 04:06
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Reene posted:It's wild watching people refer to gross income that is three times my own as "middling" It really depends on where one lives, how one lives and what is your work.
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Feb 25, 2018 04:13
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PetraCore posted:Have you watched Revolutionary Girl Utena? Sometimes relationships are built on bad ideas, trauma bonding, betrayal, and mutual attraction and sympathy/empathy. If Allison and Cio just went off to have a great relationship after this that'd be 'undeserved' in so far as they haven't actually worked through the reasons why this is unhealthy and they also literally just tried to kill each other. But them acknowledging their well-built-up mutual attraction with a passionate kiss after reconciling seems to perfectly fit. This isn't them making their relationship less complicated.
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Feb 25, 2018 04:14
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PMush Perfect posted:$5500 a month? Christ, Abb's making $60k a year. I mean, he deserves it, but drat. Doesn't Jeph Jorkes make six figures?
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Feb 25, 2018 04:22
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QC really benefits from being a comic that's updated often, and reliably, for a very long time. People coming back every day really, really kicks up the ad revenue, and that's not even factoring in merch sales.
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Feb 25, 2018 04:42
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Reene posted:It's wild watching people refer to gross income that is three times my own as "middling" The "it's time to overthrow the wage system" thread is over thataway... but it *is* middling. It's [60k/yr] still less in functional terms than the 1970s median income. By far. Kill Six Billion Capitalists convincing us there aren't any better ways to do more good for more people.
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Feb 25, 2018 04:44
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the holy dove posted:his patreon number looks impressive but he'd be putting in at least ninety hours a week on the comic (especially at the moment) so it evens out to about fifty cents an hour
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Feb 25, 2018 04:47
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PMush Perfect posted:QC really benefits from being a comic that's updated often, and reliably, for a very long time. People coming back every day really, really kicks up the ad revenue, and that's not even factoring in merch sales. Yes, but also his comic sucks.
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I never said anything about the quality of Hipster Marmaduke, just that it's cheap junk food that people keep coming back to because they know it'll be there. Like a bottomless bowl of slightly-burnt popcorn.
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